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Individual Official Marvel Handbook, Guidebook, and Files Book Discussion » Handbook announcement - X of Swords Handbook » 10/16/2020 8:19 am

warriorX
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Rayeye wrote:

A few questions:

I am not the right person to answer how these decisions came to be, but some thoughts about the X-Men membership IMHO.

Rayeye wrote:

About the X-Men membership:
3) I'm missing Alchemy. IIRC Cyclops told him he was an X-Man prior to his death.

Rayeye wrote:

7) Triage, Hijack, Goldballs, Morph and Tempus were Cyclops' revolutionary X-Men trainees. I wonder why they did not make it to X-Men-in-Training, since they all eventually joined the Xavier Institute.

I am  guessing that regarding points 3 and 7, as the file says, Cyclops' revolutionary team is not considered official X-Men, as they were totally against Cyclops actions, therefore Alchemy, as well as the trainees, are not part of the X-Men. When the trainees joined the Xavier Institute, they may have joined only as students, but that does not mean they are X-Men-In-Training.

Rayeye wrote:

4) What about Doop? Was he an X-Man or only part of the Jean Grey School staff (much like Deathlok Prime)?

While I think Doop  was only part of the Jean Grey School staff, I would have expected that there was a sub-team called AvX Jean Grey School  X-Men or something like that, refering to the faculty and staff that defended the school from Phoenix Colossus in Wolverine and the X-Men 14 (2012).  This provisional team included (Kitty Pryde, Lockheed, Husk, Warbird, Deathlok (Earth-10511), Doop, Toad and Krakoa)?

Maybe Loki can  share his  thoughts about this.

Rayeye wrote:

5) I guess Kid Apocalypse/Genesis should have been listed in the Time-Displaced X-Men roster.

Agreed

Rayeye wrote:

About the X-Men-In-Training membership:
6) I wonder why Broo, Crosta, Ernst, Eye Boy, Indra, Face, Hindsight, Kid Gladiator, Kid Omega, Nature Girl, Sapna, Scorpion Boy, Shark-Girl, Sprite, Wolf Cub and Ziggy Karst are not consided X-Men trainees? Could you tell me when someone is officially a trainee, because it's hard to tell in

Individual Official Marvel Handbook, Guidebook, and Files Book Discussion » Handbook announcement - Empyre Handbook » 8/27/2020 1:19 pm

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Loki wrote:

I did specifically ask about inverted Sabretooth, because it did seem to me like they were beginning to consider him a proper member by the end. Certainly, some text boxes gave the impression he was a member. However editorial was firm on it - he was always considered a prisoner, no matter how cooperative he was being about it.

Got it!

Loki wrote:

Again, editorial ruled that once they had the status rescinded, it was done so retroactively. Not only did they lose the status, as far as the Avengers were concerned, they never had it, and so were never members. Par for the course for the GLA when it comes to the "real" Avengers, sadly. 

Got it! Thanks a lot Loki! Very helpful!!!

Individual Official Marvel Handbook, Guidebook, and Files Book Discussion » Handbook announcement - Empyre Handbook » 8/23/2020 8:43 am

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Hi all! First of all I am really grateful and happy for the Empyre: Handbook.

I enjoyed it too much! It was a long wait for new handbooks, but totally worth it! 

I waited for a couple of weeks before asking some questions about the Avengers membership, in order to avoid spoilers.

I am sure there were strong debates about these, but I would really  love, if possible, to understand the reasons behind the decisions. 

Questions about Probationary memberships
I understand the only characters considered members of the Avengers are those that are officially accepted by the Avengers or made honorary, either by a vote between the active members (pre-Disassembled) or those considered members of a sanctioned team by one of the original members.  The Avengers Charter mentions that “newly elected Avengers shall serve a probationary period of not less than thirty days”.  This probation period explains why Wonder Man, Beast, Mooondragon, Monica Rambeau, Starfox and others appear as Active Avengers in OHOTMU in the issue where they are confirmed as full-active members, instead of the issue where they joined or appear to have joined as probationary members (contrary to the issues that OHOTMU Master and Deluxe considered as their first issue joining the Avengers).    With this in mind, I have four questions:

1. Should Avenger-X be considered as a full-active member? - She was with the Avengers for a very  short time, less than thirty days, so she was on her Probationary period. This is the case, unless the Avengers Charter didn’t consider this Probationary period at the early stages of the Avengers, as it was apparently not considered for Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. 

2. Related to the previous question, in Avenger 20, Swordsman is mentioned as being in a Probationary Period, so maybe he was the first character that this probationary period was applied to. If that was true, maybe the Swordsman didn’t become a full-active member until Avengers 114 a

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