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Andy E. Nystrom · 12/24/2021 2:22 pm

Catching up on these:

mal32 wrote:
In the KEY in the LIST we read:
InIrM: Invincible Iron Man
but in the list there is not any mention to InIrm
may I ask you what is missing about InIrm ?

It's this one:
Ironheart (Riri Williams) InIrM #593 1 vcov

Andy E. Nystrom · 12/24/2021 2:36 pm

mal32 wrote:
Here there are some of them both from #4 and from #8:
https://longboxgraveyard.com/2015/03/04/gamma-goes-grey-the-rampaging-hulk/
if you want I could send you (and to other persons needeng them) the missing ones because I have all of them, let me know

Thank you. These are very helpful. The information seems objective enough to count as a Handbook profile prototype. Given that the Early Hulk Encounters listed are from other titles, I'm inclined to treat these profiles as close enough to 616/Prime for purposes of this list. There appears to be little if any info in these that is 7111 specific.

Andy E. Nystrom · 12/24/2021 2:47 pm

mal32 wrote:
About CONAN UNIVERSE, there are three editions of it: the Original (color) 1986 one, the 1993 black and white reprint given with CONAN SAGA 75 and the 2020 (color) reprint.
They are 99% the same but the 1993 "Conan Saga 75" one in the central pages 17 and 18 gives different maps called "THE HYBORIAN AGE OF CONAN" respect the nameless map given with the Original Conan Universe. The interesting thing is that the 2020 reprint offers the same original nameless map in pages 17/18 but it reprints also the 2 pages of "THE HYBORIAN AGE OF CONAN" at the end of itself.
So maybe we could change:
Pre-Catacyclismic Lands ConS75 1
to:
Hyborian Age of Conan (Hyborian Age map) ConS75 2 (reprintend in Conan Universe 2020 edition)

So just to clarify, are the maps in in the original Conan Handbook and in Conan Saga #75 the same?

Andy E. Nystrom · 12/24/2021 3:29 pm

mal32 wrote:
The Sentries (Kree)
have a 1 page profile also in Avengers (first series) #381

Profiles from this issue can be found in the Poster Thread.

Andy E. Nystrom · 12/24/2021 4:12 pm

mal32 wrote:
In the "Sightings Outside the Handbooks" list, we have:

Exiles: Days of then & Now Exiles U

Incomplete Death’s Head #1 Dragon’s Claws 1 N
Incomplete Death’s Head #3 Spratt 1 N
Incomplete Death’s Head #5 Doctor 1 N

Namor the Sub-Mariner #36 (all 1 N): Fen, Lords Seth and Dara, Tamara Rahn, Arlys Tigershark, Namorita
Namor the Sub-Mariner #37 Suma-Ket 1 N

White Tiger tpb White Tiger R (new images)

could they go also in the MASTER LIST of this page, too?

Looks like the Namor material used to be in the Master List but got moved to Posters which means I should remove from Sightings. White Tiger I'll skip if just new images. I am however, adding the Exiles and Death's Head material so thank you for spotting those.

Andy E. Nystrom · 12/24/2021 4:26 pm

mal32 wrote:
Same question about:
Thanos Redemption (all U unless noted): Thanos 6, Beyonder 3 R text/U illos, Death 2, Galactus 6, Gladiator 2, Skreet 1 R

Ultraverse Origins #1 (all N): Warstrike 2, Wrath 1, U-231

X-Men Adventures #15 (all Earth-92131 1 N): Cyclops, Gambit, Jean Grey, Jubilee, Professor X, Rogue, Storm, Wolverine

and talking about U-231 from Ultraverse Origins #1, could we add that he is also know as Sludge? like this: (a.k.a. Sludge)

Thanos: adding the new profiles. X-Men Adventures: Looks like these should also be removed from Sightings (also in Posters). UIltraverse: Adding those. Since U-231 has yet to have a profile as Sludge I'll list him just as U-231 for now but if he eventually gets a profile or sub-entry as Sludge, that will be noted.

Andy E. Nystrom · 12/24/2021 4:33 pm

Thank you to everyone, particularly mal32 and zuckyd1 for pointing out additions and corrections. The updated version is now live in the link in the first post. In addition I expanded the information from Avengers Membership from Avengers #300 (those Gitcorp DVD-ROMs have proven very useful for researching things). In the process I merged Combatra with Genji Odashu,

mal32 · 12/28/2021 11:23 am

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
mal32 wrote:
About CONAN UNIVERSE, there are three editions of it: the Original (color) 1986 one, the 1993 black and white reprint given with CONAN SAGA 75 and the 2020 (color) reprint.
They are 99% the same but the 1993 "Conan Saga 75" one in the central pages 17 and 18 gives different maps called "THE HYBORIAN AGE OF CONAN" respect the nameless map given with the Original Conan Universe. The interesting thing is that the 2020 reprint offers the same original nameless map in pages 17/18 but it reprints also the 2 pages of "THE HYBORIAN AGE OF CONAN" at the end of itself.
So maybe we could change:
Pre-Catacyclismic Lands ConS75 1
to:
Hyborian Age of Conan (Hyborian Age map) ConS75 2 (reprintend in Conan Universe 2020 edition)

So just to clarify, are the maps in in the original Conan Handbook and in Conan Saga #75 the same?

No, they are different but the 2020 reprints both of them

mal32 · 12/28/2021 11:26 am

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Thank you to everyone, particularly mal32 and zuckyd1 for pointing out additions and corrections. The updated version is now live in the link in the first post. In addition I expanded the information from Avengers Membership from Avengers #300 (those Gitcorp DVD-ROMs have proven very useful for researching things). In the process I merged Combatra with Genji Odashu,

It is always me to thank you all for this MAGNIFICENT place talking about a thing I love so much: the MARVEL MULTIVERSE (Megaverse in the Omniverse) HANDBOOKS and profiles

zuckyd1 · 1/06/2022 10:57 am

X-MEN #6 Cover B (Mar 2022)
Polaris 1

zuckyd1 · 1/27/2022 9:14 am

X-MEN #7 Cover B (Mar 2022)
Synch 1

mal32 · 1/30/2022 2:41 am

Gorillgrana Man (Kenneth Hale)

should be Gorilla Man

mal32 · 1/30/2022 2:58 am

mal32 wrote:
From the APPENDIX: OTHER DIMENSIONS in the Deluxe Edition, we miss:
NIRVANA Del #11 App
OTHERWHERE Del #11 App
REALM OF THE SHADOW QUEEN Del #12 App

Rodann Del #9 as Kingdom of Tazza
should be:
Rodann Del #9 App as Kingdom of Tazza

Quadriverse Del #12
should be:
Quadriverse Del #12 App

Olympia Del #9 1, Del #11 App
should be:
Olympia Del #9 1
because it doesn't appear in the Appendix of #11

Citadel of Silence of Mount Wundagore Del #6 App as Citadel of Silence; Atlas #1 1 sub (Transia) as Citadel of Silence of Mount Wundagore

because the CITADEL OF SILENCE from AVENGER ANNUAL 1 is different from the CITADEL OF SILENCE of Wundagore, we should have:

CITADEL OF SILENCE Del #6 App
CITADEL OF SILENCE OF MOUNT WUNDAGORE Atlas #1 1 sub (Transia)

this one is still missing, sorry:
NIRVANA Del #11 App

mal32 · 1/30/2022 3:02 am

mal32 wrote:
About OTHERWORLD and AVALON: Avalon is a place inside the Otherworld Dimension, so I think we could unite:
Avalon (mystic dimension) Del #6 App, MTar caps (Planes Prelude), Hardc #12 App
together with:
Otherworld EncM 2, Hardc #14 5

I see you added "see Avalon" to Otherworld, perfect, but could you add also "see Otherworld" to Avalon (mystic dimension), as well? And maybe you could add the complete "see Avalon (mystic dimension) to Otherworld

mal32 · 1/30/2022 12:18 pm

mal32 wrote:
Ok about 3-D Man (but I add the he is different from Brother/Doctor Voodoo because I remember that Jericho calls his dead brother's ghost sometimes not everytime, not like the 3-D Man who always calls the two brothers' energies but I accept your decision, of course) but may I add that about:
Thermo, the Thermodynamic Man (Walter Michaels) Orig #12 App as Thermo; ME4S App as Thermo, the Thermdynamic Man

there is a little misunderstanding: his real moniker is THERMO, THE THERMATRONIC MAN (I checked), it is true that Marvel on the appendix of MARVEL ENCYCLOPEDIA #4 wrote Thermo, the Thermodynamic Man but they made a mistake, so we could have this:

Thermo, the Thermatronic Man (Walter Michaels) Orig #12 App as Thermo; ME4S App misnamed as Thermo, the Thermodynamic Man
(p.s. the Thermodynamic Man is Equinox)

You corrected it, ok, and you wrote:
Thermo (Walter Michaels) Orig #12 App as Thermo; ME4S App misnamed Thermo, the Thermodynamic Man

why you did not add also ", the Thermatronic Man"? Marvel called him this way

Andy E. Nystrom · 1/30/2022 12:29 pm

mal32 wrote:
You corrected it, ok, and you wrote:
Thermo (Walter Michaels) Orig #12 App as Thermo; ME4S App misnamed Thermo, the Thermodynamic Man

why you did not add also ", the Thermatronic Man"? Marvel called him this way

I'll tackle the other ones next time I update the list. In this case, though, due to the typo you pointed out, Thermo has yet to receive a profile under the proper expanded version of his code name. Should he get a profile under that name in a future Handbook, I'll note it then.

mal32 · 1/31/2022 1:52 am

mal32 wrote:
In the Hardcover #5 in the HULKBUSTERS profile, they talk also about the PROJECT: GREENSKIN adding also their first appearance. So we could add:
PROJECT: GREENSKIN Hardc #5 (Hulkbusters)

I understand you don't like my idea, ok, but could you, at least, add Project: Greenskin to the Hulkbusters profile, like this?
Hulkbusters Del #5 ½, Hlk04 1, Hardc #5 4 (as "Project: Greenskin" too); Hardc #5 body each (Hulkbusters) as Banner Group, Matt Talbot Group, She-Hulk Group

mal32 · 1/31/2022 2:00 am

Spider-Man's Costumes ME4S 2 as Costumes; SpM04 2 as Spider-Man’s Costumes
we could add:
ASM #544 2
both Zuckyd1 and Lonewolf36 confirmed it on 8/18/2021

mal32 · 1/31/2022 2:06 am

mal32 wrote:
In the KEY in the LIST we read:
InIrM: Invincible Iron Man
but in the list there is not any mention to InIrm
may I ask you what is missing about InIrm ?
I have found this:

InIrM #290 Stark Enterprises Technical Database 7 pages
1 - General overview
2 - General systems schematic front elevation
3 - Rear and side elevation, operational notes
4 - Primary sensor cluster internal schematic
5 - User interface headset general schematic
6 - Telepresence control communication network schematic
7 - Telepresence control user interface display

InIrM #300: Stark Enterprises employees biographies 5 pages
1 - intro
2 - administration: Felix Ricardo Alvarez and Bambina Teresa Arbogast
3 - engineering: Abraham Paul Zimmer and HOMER (Heuristically Operative Matrix Emulation Rostrum)
4 - medical: Erica Friederika Sondheim and Victoria Michelle Benning
5 - operations: Harold Joseph Hogan and Bethany Camilla Cabe

InIrM v3 44 (389): Sketch of Iron Man's new armor and its features (on letter page) less then a page

InIrM v5 20 (489) reprints the 9 pages from Invincible Iron Man Saga

There is something else in IRON MAN series?

May I ask why nothing of the above informations had been added? I am curious, sorry

mal32 · 1/31/2022 2:11 am

mal32 wrote:
About:
KPend: Knights of Pendragon (second series)
we have Albion (Peter Hunter) in #14 & Grace in #15 but #14 and #15 are from the first series, from the second series we have:
Knights of Pendragon KPen v2#2 2, ...

so we could have:
KPend: Knights of Pendragon
and
Knights of Pendragon KPend v2#2 2, ...

Knights of Pendragon KPen v2#2 2, ...
could be:
Knights of Pendragon KPend v2#2 2, ...

mal32 · 1/31/2022 9:01 am

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
mal32 wrote:
About:
MKni: Moon Knight
I am confused because we have this:
Moon Knight (Marc Spector) ..., MKni #188 1 vcov
ok, but then we have this:
Bibliography ..., MKni 1⅔, ...
and
Power Ratings ..., MKni ⅓, ...
and I don't understand where I can find the about Bibliography & Power Ratings. Could somebody help, please?
MKni in this instance refers to not Moon Knight but the Marvel Knights Handbook. You can find those at the back of the issue.

I have understood this but could you change Mkni (used for Moon Knight) to another word for the Marvel Knights?

mal32 · 1/31/2022 9:15 am

mal32 wrote:
About:
MKni: Moon Knight
I am confused because we have this:
Moon Knight (Marc Spector) ..., MKni #188 1 vcov
ok, but then we have this:
Bibliography ..., MKni 1⅔, ...
and
Power Ratings ..., MKni ⅓, ...
and I don't understand where I can find the about Bibliography & Power Ratings. Could somebody help, please?

Another thing: searching for the above informations I have found this already indicated in the poster/pin-up type entries:
Marc Spector, Moon Knight #57 (December 1993) Cadre (Hellbent), Manx

but there is also to add:
Marc Spector, Moon Knight #58 (January 1994) Seth (Seth Phalkon aka Seth the Immortal)
and a four pages profile of four of Moon Knight's helicopters named "Four beautiful copters! Count them - four!"

I am sorry but I don't see added Seth (Seth Phalkon aka Seth the Immortal), one page, from Marc Spector, Moon Knight #58 (January 1994);
and when I talked about the four pages profile of four of Moon Knight's helicopters named "Four beautiful copters! Count them - four!" I forgot to add that they appear in Moon Knight #27 (January 1983)

Last edited by mal32 (9/30/2022 9:28 am)

zuckyd1 · 2/16/2022 12:43 pm

X-MEN #8 Cover D (Apr 2022)
Wolverine (Kinney) 1

zuckyd1 · 3/03/2022 8:31 am

X-MEN #9 Cover D (May 2022)
Feilong 1

mal32 · 3/09/2022 11:59 pm

About:
Prosilicans Orig #7 ¼
there is an interesting thing to say: when Marvel made the PROSILICANS profile, in the first volume of the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe #7 (July 1983), they made a strange mistake and instead of the Prosilicans, the profile talks about another different alien race, the VENTURITES without naming them in the profile; in the two following pages there is the explanation:
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/prosilic.htm
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix6/venturite_race.htm
so, if you agree, we could have this:
Prosilicans Orig #7 ¼ (mistakenly talking about the Venturite race a.k.a. Venturans)

zuckyd1 · 4/17/2022 1:03 pm

X-MEN #10 Cover C (Jun 2022)
Dr. Stasis 1

mal32 · 4/25/2022 1:24 am

Kingo see Kingo Sunen
should be:
Kingo see Sunen, Kingo

mal32 · 5/11/2022 9:10 pm

About:
Daughters of the Dragon CoC #3, Orig #3 App, ME4S App; see also Misty Knight; Colleen Wing
Knight, Misty ... ANew #3 1 1st page of 2-page Daughters of the Dragon entry ...
Wing, Colleen ... ANew #3 1 2nd page of 2-page Daughters of the Dragon entry

the profile of the DAUGHTERS OF THE DRAGON in All-New Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe A-Z (ANew) #3 talks about Misty Knight and Collen Wing but also about their shared history as both the Daughters of the Dragon and Nightwing Restorations, so maybe we could have:
Daughters of the Dragon CoC #3, Orig #3 App, ME4S App; ANew #3 2 also as shared pages as Misty Knight and Colleen Wing; see also Misty Knight; Colleen Wing

zuckyd1 · 5/20/2022 2:19 pm

Moon Knight's Weapons Del #9 ½ sub (Mockingbird)

should be sub (Moon Knight)

zuckyd1 · 5/21/2022 10:17 am

X-MEN #11 Cover C (Jul 2022)
Cordyceps Jones 1