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Andy E. Nystrom
Apr 16, 2010, 09:42 pm
A shame the original thread got lost because I love reading discussion on 1940s characters.
List of changes in hardcovers
All Individuals: Marital Status deleted; Superhuman Powers/Abilities/Paraphernalia/Limitations merged as Abilities/Accessories. Origin/Significant Issues in back of the book removed.
All Teams: Purpose, Major Enemies, Extent of Operations removed, Former Members split from Known Members. Known Bases of Operations now Base of Operations
Angel
Hardcover Volume: 1
Now Listed As: Angel (Holloway)
Page Count: Increased from 1 to 2
Text Changes: Vital Statistics revised. History mostly revised/expanded. Note incorporated into History. Hair revised. Abilities/Accessories greatly revised/expanded. Power Grid revised.
Graphic Changes: 3 new secondary illos (1 captioned)
Black Fox
Hardcover Volume: 1
Page Count: Unchanged at 1
Text Changes: None
Graphic Changes: 2 new secondary illos (1 captioned)
Black Marvel
Hardcover Volume: 1
Page Count: Unchanged at 1
Text Changes: None
Graphic Changes: 2 new captioned secondary illos
Blazing Skull
Hardcover Volume: 2
Page Count: Unchanged at 1
Text Changes: Vital Statistics, final History paragraph, and Abilities/Accessories somewhat expanded.
Graphic Changes: 2 new secondary illos
Blue Diamond
Hardcover Volume: 2
Page Count: Unchanged at 1
Text Changes: new final History sentence
Graphic Changes: new secondary illo
Bucky
Hardcover Volume: 2
Now Listed As: Captain America (Barnes)
Page Count: Increased from 1 to 3
Text Changes: Vital Statistics revised. History and Abilities/Accessories completely rewritten/expanded. Height, Weight, Hair revised. Power Grid revised.
Graphic Changes: new main illo (old one now captioned secondary illo); 4 new secondary illos (1 captioned)
Captain America
Hardcover Volume: 2
Now Listed As: Captain America (Rogers)
Page Count: Increased from 1 to 8
Text Changes: Vital Statistics revised. History and Abilities/Accessories completely rewritten/expanded.
Graphic Changes: new main illo (old one now secondary illo); 10 new secondary illos (9 captioned)
Citizen V
Hardcover Volume: 2
Now Listed As: Citizen V (Watkins)
Page Count: Unchanged at 1
Text Changes: Vital Statistics revised. History and Abilities/Accessories greatly rewritten/expanded.
Graphic Changes: None
Crimson Commando
Hardcover Volume: 2
Page Count: Unchanged at 1
Text Changes: Abilities/Accessories greatly revised.
Graphic Changes: New main illo (old one now secondary)
Destroyer
Hardcover Volume: 3
Now Listed As: Destroyer (Marlow/Aubrey)
Page Count: Increased from 1 to 2
Text Changes: Aliases, Group Affiliation, First Appearance revised. History and Abilities/Accessories completely revised and expanded. Power Grid revised.
Graphic Changes: Right hand now visible in original illo. 5 captioned secondary illos added.
Doctor Druid
Hardcover Volume: 3
Page Count: Increased from 1 to 2
Text Changes: History completely rewritten/expanded.
Graphic Changes: 2 new secondary illos.
Fin
Hardcover Volume: 4
Page Count: Unchanged at 1
Text Changes: New sentence added to end of 2nd History paragraph, 3 new sentences added to end of 4th paragraph.
Graphic Changes: 2 new secondary illos added.
Fin Fang Foom
Hardcover Volume: 4
Page Count: Increased from 1 to 3
Text Changes: Vital Statistics and Physical Statistics revised. History and Abilities/Accessories completely revised/expanded.
Graphic Changes: 4 new secondary illos (3 captioned).
Grand Director
Hardcover Volume: 4
Page Count: Increased from 1 to 2
Text Changes: Vital Statistics somewhat revised. History almost completely revised/expanded (some bits of old text still present). Abilities/Accessories revised/expanded.
Graphic Changes: Old secondary illo removed, 3 new captioned secondary illos (illo as Cap now shows him as depicted in the 1950s, pre-retcon).
Howling Commandos
Hardcover Volume: 5
Now Listed As: Howling Commandos (Sgt. Fury’s)
Page Count: Increased from 1 to 2
Text Changes: Known Members removed. History completely revised/expanded.
Graphic Changes: Fury’s legs partly cropped out of original illo. New secondary illo. 16 headshots with First Appearances added.
Human Torch
Hardcover Volume: 5
Now Listed As: Human Torch (Hammond)
Page Count: Increased from 1 to 3
Text Changes: Vital Statistics expanded. History almost completely revised/expanded (a little text remains in 1st paragraph). Abilities/Accessories completely revised/expanded.
Graphic Changes: 4 new secondary illos
Hurricane
Hardcover Volume: 7
Now Listed As: Makkari
Page Count: Increased from 1 to 2
Text Changes: Vital Statistics revised/expanded. History and Abilities/Accessories completely rewritten/expanded. Height and Weight revised. Strength, Durability, Energy Projection on Power Grid revised.
Graphic Changes: New main illo (old one now captioned secondary with background added); 5 new secondary illos (1 captioned)
Invaders
Hardcover Volume: 5
Page Count: Increased from 1 to 2
Text Changes: Purpose and Major Enemies removed. Members expanded. History completely revised/expanded. Note added.
Graphic Changes: Original illo replaced with new main illo and 16 headshots
Isbisa
Hardcover Volume: 5
Page Count: Unchanged at 1
Text Changes: 1st 3 History paragraphs merged (end of paragraph tweaked); last 2 also merged
Graphic Changes: Original illo recoloured, 3 new illos (2 captioned).
Jack Frost
Hardcover Volume: 5
Page Count: Unchanged at 1
Text Changes: Vital Statistics somewhat revised. History and Abilities/Accessories almost completely revised.
Graphic Changes: New secondary illo added.
Marvel Boy
Hardcover Volume: 7
Now Listed As: Marvel Boy (Grayson)
Page Count: Increased from 1 to 3
Text Changes: Vital Statistics revised/expanded. History and Abilities/Accessories completely rewritten/expanded. Height and Weight tweaked. Intelligence on Power Grid revised.
Graphic Changes: New main illo (old one now captioned secondary; no longer cropped); 3 new secondary illos (1 captioned)
Miss America
Hardcover Volume: 7
Page Count: Increased from 1 to 2
Text Changes: Vital Statistics revised. History completely rewritten/expanded. Hair revised. Abilities/Accessories somewhat revised/expanded
Graphic Changes: Cape on old illo less cropped; new secondary illo
Namor the Sub-Mariner
Hardcover Volume: 8
Now Listed As: Namor
Page Count: Increased from 1 to 6
Text Changes: Vital Statistics revised/expanded. History and Abilities/Accessories completely rewritten/expanded.
Graphic Changes: New main illo and 8 new secondary illos
Namora
Hardcover Volume: 8
Page Count: Increased from 1 to 2
Text Changes: Vital Statistics revised/expanded. History and Abilities/Accessories mostly revised/expanded (some old text still present). Hair and Power Grid revised.
Graphic Changes: Old illo removed; new main illo and 2 new secondary illos (1 captioned).
Nomad
Hardcover Volume: 8
Page Count: Increased from 1 to 3
Text Changes: History mostly revised/expanded (some old text still present). Abilities/Accessories completely rewritten. Height & Weight tweaked. Strength, Durability, and Fighting Skills on Power Grid revised.
Graphic Changes: Main illo now secondary; old secondary illo removed; new main illo and 5 new secondary illos (1 captioned).
Patriot
Hardcover Volume: 8
Now Listed As: Patriot (Mace)
Page Count: Increased from 1 to 2
Text Changes: Vital Statistics revised/expanded. History and Abilities/Accessories mostly revised/expanded (some old text still present). Hair revised.
Graphic Changes: 4 new secondary illos (1 captioned)
Red Raven
Hardcover Volume: 9
Page Count: Increased from 1 to 2
Text Changes: Vital Statistics revised/expanded. History and Abilities/Accessories completely rewritten/expanded. Power Grid revised.
Graphic Changes: new main illo (old one now captioned secondary) and 2 new captioned secondary illos
Red Skull (Nazi)
Hardcover Volume: 9
Now Listed As: Red Skull (Schmidt)
Page Count: Increased from 1 to 5
Text Changes: Vital Statistics revised/expanded. History and Abilities/Accessories completely rewritten/expanded. Physical Statistics revised. Strength and Durability on Power Grid revised.
Graphic Changes: New main illo (old one removed); 8 new secondary illos (5 captioned)
Red Skull (Communist)
Hardcover Volume: 9
Now Listed As: Red Skull (Malik)
Page Count: Unchanged at 1
Text Changes: History and Abilities/Accessories somewhat revised/expanded.
Graphic Changes: New secondary illo
Silver Scorpion
Hardcover Volume: 10
Page Count: Unchanged at 1
Text Changes: Group Affiliation revised. History somewhat revised/expanded. Power Grid revised.
Graphic Changes: Old illo reversed/l``ess cropped; new captioned secondary illo
Spirit of ‘76
Hardcover Volume: 11
Page Count: Unchanged at 1
Text Changes: Occupation, Group Affiliation, Education revised. History completely written/expanded. Abilities/Accessories mostly revised. Fighting Skills on Power Grid revised.
Graphic Changes: new secondary illo
Spitfire
Hardcover Volume: 11
Page Count: Increased from 1 to 2
Text Changes: Vital Statistics revised/expanded. History and Abilities/Accessories completely written/expanded. Power Grid revised.
Graphic Changes: new main illo (old one now captioned secondary); old secondary illo now captioned. 3 new secondary illos (1 captioned)
Sun Girl
Hardcover Volume: 11
Page Count: Unchanged at 1
Text Changes: Aliases, Occupation, Group Affiliation revised. History completely written/expanded. Abilities/Accessories mostly revised. Intelligence, Energy Projection, Fighting Skills on Power Grid revised.
Graphic Changes: None
Super-Axis/Battle-Axis
Split Into: Battle-Axis, Super-Axis
Hardcover Volume: 1 (Battle-Axis), 11 (Super-Axis)
Page Count: Originally 1 total; now 1 each
Text Changes: Both: History completely rewritten/expanded; Battle-Axis Known Members revised, Former Members added; Super-Axis: Known Members revised as Former Members
Graphic Changes: Old illos removed; Battle-Axis: new captioned main illo and 3 captioned secondary illos; Super-Axis: 4 new captioned illos (none stand out as main; one has two captions)
Terror
Hardcover Volume: 12
Now Listed As: Terror (Peveley)
Page Count: Unchanged at 1
Text Changes: Aliases, Occupation revised. History and Abilities/Accessories greatly revised/expanded. Height, Eyes revised. Power Grid revised.
Graphic Changes: 2 new secondary illos
Thin Man
Hardcover Volume: 12
Page Count: Increased from 1 to 2
Text Changes: Aliases, Occupation revised. History completely rewritten/expanded. Height, Hair revised. Abilities/Accessories greatly revised/expanded. Power Grid revised.
Graphic Changes: 4 new secondary illos (1 captioned)
3-D Man
Hardcover Volume: 12
Now Listed As: 3-D Man (Chandler)
Page Count: Unchanged at 1
Text Changes: Citizenship, Group Affiliation revised, Known Relatives tweaked History greatly revised/expanded. Note added. Eyes/Hair tweaked. Abilities/Accessories a little revised.
Graphic Changes: 2 new captioned secondary illos
Toro
Hardcover Volume: 12
Page Count: Increased from 1 to 2
Text Changes: Vital Statistics revised/expanded. History and Abilities/Accessories mostly revised/expanded. Energy Projection and Fighting Skills on Power Grid revised.
Graphic Changes: 3 new secondary illos
Union Jack
Hardcover Volume: 12
Now Listed As: Union Jack (Brian Falsworth)
Page Count: Increased from 1 to 2
Text Changes: Aliases, Identity, Known Relatives revised. History and Abilities/Accessories completely rewritten/expanded. Strength and Energy Projection on Power Grid revised.
Graphic Changes: 2 new secondary illos
Note: This entry was the probable basis for a new 2-page Union Jack (Montgomery Falsworth) entry with a main illo and 5 captioned secondary illos
V-Battalion
Hardcover Volume: 12
Page Count: Increased from 1 to 3
Text Changes: Known Membership replaced with Current Members and Former Members (with further revisions). First Appearance revised. History completely rewritten/expanded
Graphic Changes: Old illo removed; new captioned main illo and 2 new captioned secondary illos (1 has five captions). 32 new headshots with alter egos (if applicable) and issues active (if deceased, noted as such)
Venus
Hardcover Volume: 12
Now Listed As: Venus (Aphrodite)
Page Count: Increased from 1 to 4
Text Changes: Vital Statistics revised/expanded. History and Abilities/Accessories completely rewritten/expanded. Weight revised, Eyes/Hair tweaked. Power Grid revised.
Graphic Changes: new main illo (old one removed); 7 new secondary illos (4 captioned)
Vision
Hardcover Volume: 12
Now Listed As: Vision (Aarkus)
Page Count: Increased from 1 to 2
Text Changes: Vital Statistics revised. History and Abilities/Accessories completely rewritten/expanded. Eyes revised, Power Grid revised.
Graphic Changes: 2 new secondary illos
Whizzer
Hardcover Volume: 13
Page Count: Increased from 1 to 2
Text Changes: Vital Statistics revised/expanded. History and Abilities/Accessories completely rewritten/expanded. Hair revised, Power Grid revised.
Graphic Changes: Old illo removed; new main illo and 4 new secondary illos
Yellow Claw
Hardcover Volume: 13
Page Count: Increased from 1 to 2
Text Changes: Vital Statistics revised/expanded. History and Abilities/Accessories completely rewritten/expanded.
Graphic Changes: new main illo (old one now secondary) and 4 new secondary illos (2 captioned)
Appendix: capsule info on additional Golden Age characters not carried over; however, many are receiving hardcover entries due to additional handbooks (it's possible that this appendix will show up in v14, but given how many of these characters had made or will make the hardcovers anyway, I'm assuming not)
Eduardo M.
Apr 16, 2010, 10:34 pm
Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Appendix: capsule info on additional Golden Age characters not carried over; however, many are receiving hardcover entries due to additional handbooks (it's possible that this appendix will show up in v14, but given how many of these characters had made or will make the hardcovers anyway, I'm assuming not)
not to mention that the appendix is now on the Appendix website
Stuart V
Apr 17, 2010, 02:42 am
Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Red Skull (Nazi)
Hardcover Volume: 9
Now Listed As: Red Skull (Schmidt)
Nope, now listed as Red Skull (Shmidt), the correct spelling of his surname.
Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Union Jack
Hardcover Volume: 12
Now Listed As: Union Jack (Brian Falsworth)
Note: This entry was the probable basis for a new 2-page Union Jack (Montgomery Falsworth) entry with a main illo and 5 captioned secondary illos
No. Montgomery had an entry because he got one in the Book of the Dead. And his hardcover entry was done from scratch; it didn't use the Golden Age one as its basis.
Andy E. Nystrom
Apr 17, 2010, 10:20 am
Stuart V wrote:
No. Montgomery had an entry because he got one in the Book of the Dead. And his hardcover entry was done from scratch; it didn't use the Golden Age one as its basis.
Sorry about that. I checked the Master List and his Book of the Dead entry wasn't mentioned there (checking again it seems it was played with Brian instead; I'll make a note of that in that thread to make sure Eric catches that). I'll tackle him in more detail when I get to that book, which should be some time in the next few weeks as everyone in that book's in the hardcovers now.
zuckyd1
Jan 13, 2013, 08:49 pm
In the appendix entry for Captain Daring, it says he was active in both the 1940s and 3050. But as far as I know the Daring Mystery stories take place exclusively in the future. There was a WWII character called Captain Daring who appeared in USA Comics #7, but I'm not aware of any relationship between him and the other Captain Daring. Were they being confused as one character?
Also, some of the characters in this handbook and the Marvel Mystery one have never interacted with the rest of the Marvel Universe. Are they 616? (Well, obviously the ones who live in the future aren't...)
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Andy E. Nystrom
12-22-2014, 09:00 PM
Since it came up in another thread, let's break down how many characters in this book really were Golden Age characters. The end point of the Golden Age is debatable but let's go with 1945 for argument's sake. I'll categorize each entry as Golden Age (GA), Post-Golden Age/Pre-Silver Age (PSA), and post Fantastic Four #1/modern (MOD). Tally after each name. Despite being merged together, Battle-Axis and Super-Axis are only thematically connected and count as 2.
Angel: GA 1
Black Fox: MOD 1
Black Marvel: GA 2
Blazing Skull: GA 3
Blonde Phantom: PSA 1
Blue Diamond: GA 4
Bucky: GA 5
Captain America: GA 6
Citizen V: GA 7
Crimson Commando: MOD 2
Destroyer (Marlow, Aubrey): GA 8/MOD 3
Doctor Druid PSA 2 (an argument could be made for MOD as the Silver Age had technically started due to DC, but its effects weren't yet felt at Marvel)
Fin: GA 8
Fin Fang Foom: PSA 3 (see Doctor Druid note)
Grand Director: PSA 4
Howling Commandos: MOD 4
Human Torch: GA 9
Hurricane: GA 10 (as Hurricane; I'll be generous and ignore his Makkari ID)
Invaders (wartime, revived team; counting as 2 due to V-Battalion below): MOD 5-6
Isbisa: PSA 5
Jack Frost: GA 10
Marvel Boy: PSA 6
Miss America: GA 11
Namor the Sub-Mariner: GA 12
Namora: PSA 7
Nomad: PSA 8
Patriot: GA 13
Red Raven:GA 14
Red Skull (Nazi): GA 15
Red Skull (Communist): PSA 9
Silver Scorpion: GA 16
Spirit of '76: GA 17 (only because I'm counting Grand Director as PSA)
Spitfire: MOD 7
Sun Girl: PSA 10
Super-Axis/Battle-Axis: MOD 8-9
Terror: GA 18
Thin Man: GA 19
3-D Man: MOD 10
Toro: GA 20
Union Jack: MOD 11
V-Battalion (wartime, modern): GA 21/MOD 12
Venus: PSA 11
Vision: GA 22
Whizzer: GA 23
Yellow Claw: PSA 12
(I won't bother with the Appendix as it skews the results; numerous heroes, all but two GA (those two PSA)
So in the main section, about half actual Golden Age characters, about a quarter each post-Golden Age/pre-modern and modern/retroactive.
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