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Andy E. Nystrom · 1/07/2020 8:58 am

This is a complete list of all entries in the various Handbooks, Files Books, and Guidebooks. As this is a masive amount of information well beyond what can easily be captured onsite with its character limits of just over 64K per post, the Master List is now in a Google document that can be viewed in the link below. Additions and corrections welcomed and encouraged. Apologies for this extra step to view, but the list was becoming a huge pain to keep up to date on site.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OBzA_a7Wil92UdG6fYcZ29t7bHXDRCE4/view?usp=sharing

Last edited by Andy E. Nystrom (3/03/2021 6:09 pm)

Andy E. Nystrom · 1/07/2020 9:54 am

Additional historical text from Comixfan (other than stuff about the move):

Andy E. Nystrom

Sep 16, 2011, 10:07 pm

Almost forgot: new to the above are Blockbusters, Thor: Asgard's Avenger, X-Men,: Earth's Mutant heroes, Captain America: America's Avenger, the three Heroic Age books, Dark Reign Files, Spider-Man Saga, and Fear Itself

Stuart V

Sep 17, 2011, 12:27 am

Great work Andy! Very impressive.

Sidney Osinga

Sep 17, 2011, 01:48 am

A couple of minor mistakes I spotted:

BDead: Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe - Book of The BDead 2004

DP7 - DP7Del: Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe - Deluxe Edition

Andy E. Nystrom

Sep 17, 2011, 04:00 am

Sidney: Thx. I made the corrections. The Book of the Dead typo probably happened because my original abbreviation was Dead, but then I realized that people might think that referred to the Deadpool book, so I did a bulk find and replace.

Stuart: Glad you like the new list.

I didn't know how the number and letter headers were going to look until I first did a preview. My gut just said to make them "+2". Very happy with the result.

More changes to come but unless I go ahead with hyperlinking all the cross-references, the additional changes probably won't affect the new design much. Rather they will be more along the lines of adding more stuff like the encyclopedia appendices, i.e. stuff that's nice to have but not as important as the newer handbooks.

Angelicknight

Sep 17, 2011, 01:27 pm

Amazing Work Andy!
FoF: Fear Itself: Fellowship of Fear is missing from the abbreviation list.

Andy E. Nystrom

Sep 17, 2011, 02:06 pm

Angelicknight wrote:
Amazing Work Andy!
FoF: Fear Itself: Fellowship of Fear is missing from the abbreviation list.

Thx! And oops; well, at least it was a good test of the intuitiveness of that abbreviation. I've fixed that now.

I've also now added the text sections in Contest of Champions to the above. As I've mentioned in other threads I consider those text pieces to be the true start what soon because the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe and therefore those capsule entries deserve a spot above.

Phoenixx9

Sep 17, 2011, 02:39 pm

Very nice!

Thanks for the hard work and dedication.

Angelicknight

Sep 17, 2011, 04:01 pm

Glad to see you added the Contest of Champions entries. Should the new and updated entries from the various Hardcovers and Trade Paperbacks not be added?

Klaws of the Panther TPB
Black Panther (Shuri) (2 pgs)

X-Men Legacy: Aftermath Hardcover
Blindfold (1 pg)
Hellion (2 pgs)
Omega Sentinel (2 pgs)

X-Men Legacy: Collision Hardcover
Anole (2 pgs)
Children of the Vault (2 pgs)
Indra (1 pg)
Loa (1 pg)
Magneto (5 pgs)
Rogue (3 pgs)

JusticeGH

Sep 17, 2011, 06:26 pm

Thanks, Andy! This looks awesome! Clearly it took a lout of work...much appreciated!

Andy E. Nystrom

Sep 17, 2011, 09:55 pm

Angelicknight wrote:
Glad to see you added the Contest of Champions entries. Should the new and updated entries from the various Hardcovers and Trade Paperbacks not be added?

That's actually something I've been meaning to run by people: given that there's also the sister list, the Sightings Outside the Handbooks list, I wanted to get a consensus on people's thoughts on the degree to which there should or should not be overlap betweenn the two lists. What are people's thoughts on this? I won't take anyone out of course regardless of where things land.

JusticeGH wrote:
Thanks, Andy! This looks awesome! Clearly it took a lout of work...much appreciated!

Glad you like it. Luckily I had all of Eric's work as a starting point, but definitely all the reformatting (including the look, the cross-references, and of course the research of what names characters were under in a given entry plus determining all the shared entries) took many hours. But I'm not complaining because seeing it all come together has made it worth it.

Stuart V

Sep 17, 2011, 10:19 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
That's actually something I've been meaning to run by people: given that there's also the sister list, the Sightings Outside the Handbooks list, I wanted to get a consensus on people's thoughts on the degree to which there should or should not be overlap betweenn the two lists. What are people's thoughts on this? I won't take anyone out of course regardless of where things land.

I'd include them. The Sightings Outside thread allows people to easily learn about entries that appear other than the handbooks, but I feel the Master List should include all entries, so that people can easily find every place a person has had any type of entry.

captainswift

Sep 17, 2011, 10:46 pm

Stuart V wrote:
I'd include them. The Sightings Outside thread allows people to easily learn about entries that appear other than the handbooks, but I feel the Master List should include all entries, so that people can easily find every place a person has had any type of entry.

I certainly agree, at least in terms of unique entries like those listed. Listing reprints is redundant, I think, but when an entry provides new information, I think it should be here.

Andy E. Nystrom

Sep 17, 2011, 11:19 pm

Okay. I'll add those in the next couple of days since there seems to be some interest there.

Two more questions: As noted above, some select cross-references (e.g. Beetle and Ariel) are hyperlinked. Would people find it useful for me to hyperlink all the cross-references, or is that more, nice but not terribly useful? I can do it easily enough, but since it's a time investment (every entry being linked to will need to have a unique link name I'll need to keep track of) I thought I'd check first.

Another idea I wanted to run by people, and I realize that this would be a different system than the current Handbooks, is to re-alphabetize the entries in such a way to ignore hyphens, spaces, and apostrophes. As things currently stand, for example, Star-Lord and Starlord wind up in different places alphabetically due to the hyphen. My thought is that there would be less risk of confusion if Star-Lord, Starlord, and a hypothetical future character named Star Lord (and perhaps a future character name S'tarlord) were all placed in the same location alphabetically. What are people's thoughts on alphabetization that ignores hyphens and spaces?

Sidney Osinga

Sep 18, 2011, 01:13 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Another idea I wanted to run by people, and I realize that this would be a different system than the current Handbooks, is to re-alphabetize the entries in such a way to ignore hyphens, spaces, and apostrophes. As things currently stand, for example, Star-Lord and Starlord wind up in different places alphabetically due to the hyphen. My thought is that there would be less risk of confusion if Star-Lord, Starlord, and a hypothetical future character named Star Lord (and perhaps a future character name S'tarlord) were all placed in the same location alphabetically. What are people's thoughts on alphabetization that ignores hyphens and spaces?

If it were me, I would ignore hyphens and spaces, since I do the same with my comic collection. To me, it doesn't make sense for Star-Dancer to be after Star Wauugh!, and Starblast to be after both.

I also found another error:
Brothers Grimm (Nathan Dolly/Mister Doll) Orig#2 App as MD; Orig #8 App as BG

The Brothers Grimm's entry was actually in #2 while Mister Doll's was in #8.

Andy E. Nystrom

Sep 19, 2011, 10:52 pm

I corrected the Brothers Grimm error (and others) and added entries from Amazing Spider-Man, the Annihilation titles, Avengers: I am an Avenger tpb, Dragon's Claws, and Fall of the Hulk: Alpha. More to follow.

Andy E. Nystrom

Sep 20, 2011, 12:40 pm

Now included: Friendly Neighbourhood Spider-Man, Hulk vs Fin Fang Foom, Klaws of the Panther, Last Defenders, New Exiles, Nova: Origin of Richard Rider, Onslaught Unleashed, Rampaging Hulk, Secret Invasion: Infiltration, Sensational Spider-Man, Super-Villain Team-Up: MODOK's 11, X-Men First Class Special, X-Men Legacy: Aftermath & Collision

Andy E. Nystrom

Sep 21, 2011, 08:34 pm

I've just made two more sets of additions.

The first: I've added the Appendix from the Spider-Man Encyclopedia (took the better part of the day to do that).

The other set of additions... well those are a bit more unusual. I think I'll make a game out of it. First person to figure it, I'll send a No-Prize to in PM (do make your guesses here). If you want a clue, ask a question that can be answered yes or no (ask here again). Don't ask which entries have the new additions, but okay to ask if one of the new entries appears under A'askvarii, since that's something I can answer yes or no to.

Eduardo M.

Sep 21, 2011, 10:11 pm

do the new additions come from a Handbook?

Andy E. Nystrom

Sep 21, 2011, 10:32 pm

Eduardo M. wrote:
do the new additions come from a Handbook?

Yes, with a slight caveat.

Eduardo M.

Sep 22, 2011, 09:36 am

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Yes, with a slight caveat.

hhhhmmmmmmm...... are they updated versions of previous entries?

Andy E. Nystrom

Sep 22, 2011, 10:26 am

Eduardo M. wrote:
hhhhmmmmmmm...... are they updated versions of previous entries?

No, none of them are.

ToddCam

Sep 22, 2011, 10:30 am

Anti-Venom (Venom/Eddie Brock) U89 #8 3, Mas #10 2, ME1 1, ME4S 3, SpM04 2 as Venom; BND #1 3, Hardc #14 4, HeroH 1/3 as AV

I know you had a lot to do, and it can be forgiven, but I think you should refrain from using abbreviations for the actual entry name. Unless the article is actually "AV" rather than "Anti-Venom" I think you should be clear. But that's just my exacting nature.

Andy E. Nystrom

Sep 22, 2011, 12:20 pm

ToddCam wrote:
Anti-Venom (Venom/Eddie Brock) U89 #8 3, Mas #10 2, ME1 1, ME4S 3, SpM04 2 as Venom; BND #1 3, Hardc #14 4, HeroH 1/3 as AV

I know you had a lot to do, and it can be forgiven, but I think you should refrain from using abbreviations for the actual entry name. Unless the article is actually "AV" rather than "Anti-Venom" I think you should be clear. But that's just my exacting nature.

Here's the problem: the more information there is, the slower it takes to save. Now I could split the post into two posts as Eric used to do, basically writing over my second post. But then I don't think the hyperlinks that let you jump to particular letters of the alphabet will work in the second post (and I'm still also hoping to add in hyperlinks to cross-references, which will also take up space, albeit space invisible to the reader). I plan to add a lot more stuff to make it as complete as possible, but I don't want to crash the page in the process. So I'm sacrificing a small amount of clarity (and I think it's still pretty clear) to be as complete as possible without crashing the post.

Andy E. Nystrom

Sep 22, 2011, 04:12 pm

Now updated to include Avengers Log.

So, here's what's known so far re: the mystery additions contest:
Obviously, the additions can't be any entries in Eric's original list or anything I've announced by name.
Mostly yes to the entries being from a Handbook, but there's a caveat of some sort
No to any of the entries being updates of previous entries.

Stuart V

Sep 22, 2011, 04:26 pm

AoA: AgeA of Apocalypse
should be
AoA: Age of Apocalypse

The Cerebro Files needs to be on a new line.

Also
MMon: Marvel Monsters: From the Files of Ulysses Bloodstone and the
MOD11: Super-Villain Team-Up: MODOK’S 11#1
Monster Hunters

Should be
MMon: Marvel Monsters: From the Files of Ulysses Bloodstone and the Monster Hunters
MOD11: Super-Villain Team-Up: MODOK’S 11#1

Andy E. Nystrom

Sep 22, 2011, 05:04 pm

Stuart V wrote:
AoA: AgeA of Apocalypse
should be
AoA: Age of Apocalypse

The Cerebro Files needs to be on a new line.

Also
MMon: Marvel Monsters: From the Files of Ulysses Bloodstone and the
MOD11: Super-Villain Team-Up: MODOK’S 11#1
Monster Hunters

Should be
MMon: Marvel Monsters: From the Files of Ulysses Bloodstone and the Monster Hunters
MOD11: Super-Villain Team-Up: MODOK’S 11#1

Thanks. I fixed the key plus separated the Inhuman Yeti from the three races covered in the original Appendix

Andy E. Nystrom

Sep 24, 2011, 11:38 am

The contest from the previous page seems to died off so I'll reveal the caveat I referred to on the previous page. If there's been no more guesses (either for clues or the for answer) by Monday I'll just reveal it then, but there's something fun about the answer in my mind so I want to keep it going a little longer.

The caveat was that in terms if it being <b>a</b> Handbook. The new set of additions gathered info from multiple Handbooks. The Handbooks are all proper Handbooks though.

So to summarize:
There's a mystery set of additions.
The additions are not anything that was previously on Eric's version of the list nor anything I've announced by name.
They are from multiple Handbooks but can be seen as a set of some sort.
None of them are updates of previous entries.

Okay to ask for clues that can be answered yes or no or of course to guess the answer. Winner will get a no-prize from me.

Eduardo M.

Sep 24, 2011, 01:44 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
The contest from the previous page seems to died off so I'll reveal the caveat I referred to on the previous page. If there's been no more guesses (either for clues or the for answer) by Monday I'll just reveal it then, but there's something fun about the answer in my mind so I want to keep it going a little longer.

The caveat was that in terms if it being <b>a</b> Handbook. The new set of additions gathered info from multiple Handbooks. The Handbooks are all proper Handbooks though.

So to summarize:
There's a mystery set of additions.
The additions are not anything that was previously on Eric's version of the list nor anything I've announced by name.
They are from multiple Handbooks but can be seen as a set of some sort.
None of them are updates of previous entries.

Okay to ask for clues that can be answered yes or no or of course to guess the answer. Winner will get a no-prize from me.

I was just about ask a question regarding the caveat.

hhhhmmmmmmmmm.................. are the entries from handbooks published within the last year (10-10 to 10-11)?

Andy E. Nystrom

Sep 24, 2011, 02:38 pm

Eduardo M. wrote:
I was just about ask a question regarding the caveat.

hhhhmmmmmmmmm.................. are the entries from handbooks published within the last year (10-10 to 10-11)?

Oh, ah well. I probably helped speed things along. I was concerned that the caveat reference might mislead people into thinking it was a single volume that has elements of a Handbook but isn't (like Academy X or Encyclopaedia Mythologia, either of which may or may not be part of this set but definitely aren't by themselves if they are).

No, the additions are from earlier than the past year. This are still some stuff from the past year I hope to add later, such as the Appendix from Thor: Asgard's Avenger, but that's still to come.

Eduardo M.

Sep 24, 2011, 03:08 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
No, the additions are from earlier than the past year. This are still some stuff from the past year I hope to add later, such as the Appendix from Thor: Asgard's Avenger, but that's still to come.

ok then. Are the additions from handbooks published before the hardcovers? (04-06)?

Andy E. Nystrom

Sep 24, 2011, 03:33 pm

Eduardo M. wrote:
ok then. Are the additions from handbooks published before the hardcovers? (04-06)?

Actually the hardcovers started in 2008. I'd going to make an assumption about the spirit of your question and answer the pre-hardcover question as opposed to the date question and treat your date question as 2004-2007, which might yield the same results as the 2004-2006 range but then again it might not: Yes.

Eduardo M.

Sep 24, 2011, 06:41 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Actually the hardcovers started in 2008. I'd going to make an assumption about the spirit of your question and answer the pre-hardcover question as opposed to the date question and treat your date question as 2004-2007, which might yield the same results as the 2004-2006 range but then again it might not: Yes.

It does yield the result I want.

Are the entries all from the same year?

Andy E. Nystrom

Sep 24, 2011, 07:50 pm

Eduardo M. wrote:
It does yield the result I want.

Are the entries all from the same year?

I just doublechecked my chronology page (http://www.comixfan.net/forums/showthread.php?t=48704). All but one came out in the same year, though even that one preceeds the Feb 2008 start of the hardcovers.

Eduardo M.

Sep 24, 2011, 09:42 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
I just doublechecked my chronology page (http://www.comixfan.net/forums/showthread.php?t=48704). All but one came out in the same year, though even that one preceeds the Feb 2008 start of the hardcovers.

hhhhmmmm........ are any of the entries from the 2006 A-Z series?

Andy E. Nystrom

Sep 24, 2011, 10:05 pm

Eduardo M. wrote:
hhhhmmmm........ are any of the entries from the 2006 A-Z series?

None from that particular series.

Everyone else: Eduardo is quickly zeroing in on the answer. If you want to take a crack at it and have a chance of winning, best do it soon!

Eduardo M.

Sep 24, 2011, 10:48 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
None from that particular series.

Everyone else: Eduardo is quickly zeroing in on the answer. If you want to take a crack at it and have a chance of winning, best do it soon!

Were the entries easy to "assemble"?

Sidney Osinga

Sep 24, 2011, 10:50 pm

Are the mystery additions from the Transformers Handbook series?

Andy E. Nystrom

Sep 24, 2011, 11:06 pm

Eduardo: If you're asking if there's an Avengers connection, it's not a big one but yes there is one. If you're asking if they were easy to compile, I had to hunt down quite a few books but once I did process went pretty quickly.

Sidney: No, no Transformers connection.

Eduardo M.

Sep 25, 2011, 10:55 am

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Eduardo: If you're asking if there's an Avengers connection, it's not a big one but yes there is one.

That's why I said "assemble" instead of just writing assemble

Andy E. Nystrom

Sep 25, 2011, 11:52 am

Eduardo M. wrote:
That's why I said "assemble" instead of just writing assemble

I figured as much. But yes, there is a bit of an Avengers connection of some sort. Looking through Avengers related handbooks couldn't possibly hurt in terms of trying to find the answer.

Andy E. Nystrom

Sep 27, 2011, 11:18 am

No one seemed to object to my idea of re-alphabetizing to ignore hyphens, spaces, and apostrophes and one person liked the idea so will start on that.

Even if people are still guessing, will end the contest this coming Monday rain or shine as I think it's run its course. I'll throw in a big clue Thurs or Fri (I want to allow discussion of Wednesday's FF Handbook to breathe before I toss in my biggest clue, as that's will be the more important discussion topic at that time).

Andy E. Nystrom

Sep 27, 2011, 10:25 pm

Now updated to include the Fantastic Four Encyclopedia. I predict that more than a couple of the entries I added for the first time today will reappear in tomorrow's Handbook.

Also, I re-alphabetized the entries according to the new system (ignoring spaces, hyphens, apostrophes). Unfortunately my eyes tend to glaze over if I look at 1000s of entries at once. If you notice any alphabetizing error, even ones that were incorrect even with the old system, let me know and will fix.

Andy E. Nystrom

Sep 30, 2011, 08:13 am

Now includes the new FF and A-Z tpb Handbooks.

In the latter case, I eye-balled the sizes. If anyone actually wants to take a ruler and get a more accurate "page count", I'll defer to ther figures, but it should be pretty close. For entries less than 1/6 of a page I used "capsule".

Here's the big clue I was promising with the contest. All the entries I added as part of that contest have never been seen before or since in any Handbook. Prior to the contest I did add a similar wave of entries and one of those has another entry that Eric put in, but the ones in the parameters of the contest are strictly one-shot deals.

bigvis497

Sep 30, 2011, 10:30 am

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Here's the big clue I was promising with the contest. All the entries I added as part of that contest have never been seen before or since in any Handbook. Prior to the contest I did add a similar wave of entries and one of those has another entry that Eric put in, but the ones in the parameters of the contest are strictly one-shot deals.

I think I got it. The small profiles on the handbook writers! The ones that were in the back of a few of the handbooks from 2007-ish?

Andy E. Nystrom

Sep 30, 2011, 11:04 am

bigvis497 wrote:
I think I got it. The small profiles on the handbook writers! The ones that were in the back of a few of the handbooks from 2007-ish?

We have a winner! Your no-prize will arrive shortly after I send this.

Eric had previously added the Mark Gruenwald entry from the hardcover, thus setting a precedent. So when I was overhauling the Master List it made sense to add the similar material from the Deluxe Edition, which I did at that stage. But if I was going to add the original creative team entries, I needed to add the modern team to be consistent. But those required a bit of hunting down since there's no numerical order to the later ones except the Update series, and I wanted to get the overhauled list sooner than later, plus I had hit upon the contest idea.

I didn't announce previously that I had added the Deluxe entries because I knew the contest was coming and didn't want to make the contest too easy. Nor did I want to raise questions as to why the Deluxe team was added while the modern team wasn't, particularly since that was always going to be a temporary situation.

One nice outcome of this is that Eric, who created the original list, is now himself in the list!

Andy E. Nystrom

Oct 1, 2011, 02:54 pm

X-Men: the 198 Files coverage now greatly expanded. Previously only the last three pages were covered. I'm doing my best to make this the only place you need to check to find a specific official entry.

Eduardo M.

Oct 16, 2011, 12:08 pm

FYI,

I was at a B&N the other day and saw that volume 2 of Deadpool Team-Up includes the Rank and Foul handbook. I flipped through it briefly. Doesnt look like there's anything new in it.

Andy E. Nystrom

Oct 16, 2011, 01:30 pm

Eduardo M. wrote:
FYI,

I was at a B&N the other day and saw that volume 2 of Deadpool Team-Up includes the Rank and Foul handbook. I flipped through it briefly. Doesnt look like there's anything new in it.

Thank you. While that wouldn't be applicable to this list if there's no major changes, I'll add that information later tonight or tomorrow to the sister list of Sightings Outside the Handbook, which does cover stuff like this.

Eduardo M.

Oct 16, 2011, 04:14 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Thank you. While that wouldn't be applicable to this list if there's no major changes, I'll add that information later tonight or tomorrow to the sister list of Sightings Outside the Handbook, which does cover stuff like this.

I was looking for that thread. I thought it closed

Andy E. Nystrom

Oct 16, 2011, 08:18 pm

Eduardo M. wrote:
I was looking for that thread. I thought it closed

It's a little ways down in the sticky section. Here's the link: http://www.comixfan.net/forums/showthread.php?t=48745

You may have found the old version which did close once the new one became live. Part of the reason was that you can't move posts within a thread, and we wanted the list itself to be at the top of the thread. Also, you'll recall that the original thread devoted to Handbook-like stuff that isn't official accidentally got erased and then had to be rebuilt. So closing threads and starting new ones instead of creating new threads and merging them with the old eliminates the risk of another accidental deletion. The latter was also the reason that I closed Eric's old version of this thread (that and he did things a bit differently than me, so this preserves his material for archive reasons).

Eduardo M.

Oct 16, 2011, 09:06 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
It's a little ways down in the sticky section. Here's the link: http://www.comixfan.net/forums/showthread.php?t=48745

You may have found the old version which did close once the new one became live. Part of the reason was that you can't move posts within a thread, and we wanted the list itself to be at the top of the thread. Also, you'll recall that the original thread devoted to Handbook-like stuff that isn't official accidentally got erased and then had to be rebuilt. So closing threads and starting new ones instead of creating new threads and merging them with the old eliminates the risk of another accidental deletion. The latter was also the reason that I closed Eric's old version of this thread (that and he did things a bit differently than me, so this preserves his material for archive reasons).

I see it. thanks.

Andy E. Nystrom

Oct 17, 2011, 04:26 pm

The Master List has been updated to include the Marvel Knights Encyclopedia's Appendix. I don't have v1 but I think coverage of the 6-volume official encyclopedia series is now complete. The X-Man volume doesn't have an Appendix and to my knowledge there's no entries at all in the Hulk volume.

Phoenixx9

Oct 17, 2011, 04:56 pm

Just wanted to say "Thanks", Andy, for all your hard work.

I know it is a labor of love, but still,...

Andy E. Nystrom

Oct 17, 2011, 08:36 pm

Phoenixx9 wrote:
Just wanted to say "Thanks", Andy, for all your hard work.

I know it is a labor of love, but still,...

Oh Definitely it's appreciated!

Given the amount of evidence that Conan's Marvel adventures take place in 616 (e.g. the Marvel Team-Up issue involving Red Sonja), I decided to add Conan's Handbook to the mix.

I'm on the fence re: the Transformers Universe books. Marvel unfortunately did a 180 and went from treating Transformers as part of the Marvel Universe to treating them as not. What are people's thoughts on including them?

Stuart V

Oct 17, 2011, 09:12 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Oh Definitely it's appreciated!

Given the amount of evidence that Conan's Marvel adventures take place in 616 (e.g. the Marvel Team-Up issue involving Red Sonja), I decided to add Conan's Handbook to the mix.

I'm on the fence re: the Transformers Universe books. Marvel unfortunately did a 180 and went from treating Transformers as part of the Marvel Universe to treating them as not. What are people's thoughts on including them?

Conan (and Kull) are in 616 - Marvel Saga included them, and we've got multiple cases of Conan characters turning up in modern day 616 by dint of simply surviving through the ages (e.g. not time travel, which we'd have to discount as proof because you can go sideways into parallel worlds). Transformers are not 616 - there's some counterparts to regular Marvel characters in the Transformers timelines, but that's something different.

Angelicknight

Oct 17, 2011, 09:42 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Oh Definitely it's appreciated!

Given the amount of evidence that Conan's Marvel adventures take place in 616 (e.g. the Marvel Team-Up issue involving Red Sonja), I decided to add Conan's Handbook to the mix.

I'm on the fence re: the Transformers Universe books. Marvel unfortunately did a 180 and went from treating Transformers as part of the Marvel Universe to treating them as not. What are people's thoughts on including them?

You have a handbooks on alternate dimensions an Age of Apocalypse, even though they are not 616 the Transformers/GI Joe Universe has a semi-official designation in the Marvel Multiverse so it could go either way. I would definitely add the Conan one though.

Andy E. Nystrom

Oct 17, 2011, 09:53 pm

Stuart V wrote:
Conan (and Kull) are in 616 - Marvel Saga included them, and we've got multiple cases of Conan characters turning up in modern day 616 by dint of simply surviving through the ages (e.g. not time travel, which we'd have to discount as proof because you can go sideways into parallel worlds). Transformers are not 616 - there's some counterparts to regular Marvel characters in the Transformers timelines, but that's something different.

That's fair. I figured I was on pretty secure ground with Conan, which is why I went ahead and added his Handbook, but Transformers I thought I'd better ask. I'd wager that the early creative teams probably thought they were writing/drawing/etc 616 adventures in those earliest issues but obviously plans change. Mind you there's plenty of non-616 characters in the various Handbooks but obviously a line has to be drawn somewhere or this list could start to get a bit absurd.

Andy E. Nystrom

Oct 26, 2011, 03:12 pm

All the non-Appendix entries from the Vampires handbook have been added. Appendix to follow. Might take a week or two

Phoenixx9

Oct 26, 2011, 04:11 pm

Wow, what service!

Never let it be said that "the-dead-who-are-now-alive-again, take a back seat to the living characters!

Andy E. Nystrom

Dec 9, 2011, 07:34 pm

The Appendix section of the Vampires book now added, along with Spider-Man Through the Decades. The Update section of the Handbook tpb to follow

Andy E. Nystrom

Dec 21, 2011, 09:00 pm

Don't think this list is complete enough? Well, how's this for additions:
Agent X#1
Defenders: Strange Heroes
Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe tpb #2 (update section)
X-Factor#65-66
X-Force#1 & 6

Note that trying to determine "page count" for the tpb update section is more than a little tricky. If anyone thinks they have more accurate measurements, I'll take them at their word and adjust accordingly.

Andy E. Nystrom

Dec 25, 2011, 12:24 pm

Added the Where are they Now material from the Legacy books. If the trade is mentioned it either means that the old Where are they Now section has been expanded (or at least significantly edited) or that there wasn't one previously

Andy E. Nystrom

Jan 5, 2012, 01:42 pm

Updated to include Taskmaster#1 and SHIELD#1.

RVcousin

Jan 7, 2012, 07:23 pm

Nice job, as always.
Why haven't you added the following files books :
Jackal Files, Stryfe's Strike Files, Iron Manual I, Punisher Armory, Spider-Man Unmasked, Age of Apocalypse The Chosen, X-Men Declassifed, Wolverine Encyclopedia and the Xavier Institute Yearbook ?
If you need infos on this ones (contents, pages count, ...) , don't hesitate, I've got 'em all

Andy E. Nystrom

Jan 7, 2012, 07:49 pm

RVcousin wrote:
Nice job, as always.
Why haven't you added the following files books :
Jackal Files, Stryfe's Strike Files, Iron Manual I, Punisher Armory, Spider-Man Unmasked, Age of Apocalypse The Chosen, X-Men Declassifed, Wolverine Encyclopedia and the Xavier Institute Yearbook ?
If you need infos on this ones (contents, pages count, ...) , don't hesitate, I've got 'em all

Basically for the reason you suggested: I don't have any of the above. If you provide the entry names and page counts I'll add them all.

RVcousin

Jan 8, 2012, 05:08 am

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Basically for the reason you suggested: I don't have any of the above. If you provide the entry names and page counts I'll add them all.

I will preprare you this. I also find in the Wolverine Weapon X TPB, the Beast Files from Marvel Vision. I will also add them.

RVcousin

Jan 8, 2012, 05:15 am

Does anyone knows where I can find the Cerebro Files listed in that list ?
It's the only place where X-Cutioner and the Externals were really profiled for the moment.
Thanks,

Andy E. Nystrom

Jan 8, 2012, 11:06 am

RVcousin wrote:
Does anyone knows where I can find the Cerebro Files listed in that list ?
It's the only place where X-Cutioner and the Externals were really profiled for the moment.
Thanks,

I think unfortunately they've been taken down. I did suggest to Stuart when I took over the list that they be removed from that entry for that reason but he wanted them to stay for historical reasons. Plus they may reappear at some point. I should add a note to that effect in the abbreviations. For that reason, for those characters who've had multiple names, the entry names indicated are educated guesses based on them coming out around the time of the Encyclopedias.

RVcousin

Jan 8, 2012, 06:34 pm

OK here we go for the missing 'files' :

Age of Apocalypse : The Chosen
All Earth-295 versions, all 1 page
Magneto & Rogue
X-Man
Cyclops
Havok
Sinister
Storm
Quicksilver
Northstar/Aurora
Beast
Four Horsemen
X-Calibre
Human High Council
Weapon X & Jean Grey
Gambit & The Externals
Colossus
Angel
Sabretooth & Wild Child
Bishop
Charles Xavier

Spider-Man : The Jackal Files
All 1 page
Scarlet Spider
Spider-Man
Kaine
Jackal
Gwen, Stacy
Mary Jane Parker
Carrion
Shriek
Green Goblin (Urich)
Hobgoblin (Macedale)
Judas Traveller & The Host
Venom (Brock)
Carnage
Lizard
Vulture (Toomes)
Doctor Octopus
Stunner
Silver Sable
J. Jonah Jameson
Black Cat
Scrier
Spidercide
Spider-Man's Mask
Spider-Man's Web-Shooter
Scarlet Spider's Impact Webbing
Spider-Man's Equipment Belt

Stryfe's Strike Files
all 1 page
Xavier
Magneto
Acolytes
Jean Grey & Cyclops
Askani (the "Preservation" Character)
Polaris & Havok
Holocaust (616 or 295 or another version ? : the AoA one appeared only 2 years later and the 616 version appeared for the 1st time in Uncanny X-Force last year)
Apocalypse
Dark Riders
Mr. Sinister
Caliban
Beast
Archangel
Pyslocke/Betsy Braddock
Illyana
Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver
Bishop & Wolverine
Graydon Creed
Forge
Moira MacTaggert
Threnody
Sebastian Shaw & The Hellfire Club
Gamemaster
Upstarts
Fabian Cortez
Gideon
Mutant Liberation Front
Cannonball
Cable
Stryfe

X-Men : Declassified
all 1 page, excepted Thunderbird (1/2 page)
Rogue
Colossus
Beast
Cable
X-Man
Gambit
Nightcrawler
Psylocke
Professor X
Phoenix (Jean)
Thunderbird (Shara)
Storm
Shadowcat
Wolverine

I also noticed that in the Marvel Atlas TPB, there is some entries modified or expanded :
United Kingdom 6p
China 3p
Japan 4p
Canada 4p
USA 7p
Santo Marco 1p (the flag is different)
The Appendix has one more page and includes Earth's Active and Inactive Satellites

I will come as soon as I can with the 10 Punisher Armory issues, Iron Manual I, Wolverine Encyclopedia 1 & 2, The Beast Files (from Marvel Vision and reprinted in the Wolverine : Weapon X Files TPB), Spider-Man Unmasked and The Xavier Institute Alumni Yearbook, but be patient, I won't be home for the next 2 weeks.

Angelicknight

Jan 8, 2012, 07:32 pm

RVcousin wrote:
OK here we go for the missing 'files' :

Age of Apocalypse : The Chosen
All Earth-295 versions, all 1 page
Magneto & Rogue
X-Man
Cyclops
Havok
Sinister
Storm
Quicksilver
Northstar/Aurora
Beast
Four Horsemen
X-Calibre
Human High Council
Weapon X & Jean Grey
Gambit & The Externals
Colossus
Angel
Sabretooth & Wild Child
Bishop
Charles Xavier

Spider-Man : The Jackal Files
All 1 page
Scarlet Spider
Spider-Man
Kaine
Jackal
Gwen, Stacy
Mary Jane Parker
Carrion
Shriek
Green Goblin (Urich)
Hobgoblin (Macedale)
Judas Traveller & The Host
Venom (Brock)
Carnage
Lizard
Vulture (Toomes)
Doctor Octopus
Stunner
Silver Sable
J. Jonah Jameson
Black Cat
Scrier
Spidercide
Spider-Man's Mask
Spider-Man's Web-Shooter
Scarlet Spider's Impact Webbing
Spider-Man's Equipment Belt

Stryfe's Strike Files
all 1 page
Xavier
Magneto
Acolytes
Jean Grey & Cyclops
Askani (the "Preservation" Character)
Polaris & Havok
Holocaust (616 or 295 or another version ? : the AoA one appeared only 2 years later and the 616 version appeared for the 1st time in Uncanny X-Force last year)
Apocalypse
Dark Riders
Mr. Sinister
Caliban
Beast
Archangel
Pyslocke/Betsy Braddock
Illyana
Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver
Bishop & Wolverine
Graydon Creed
Forge
Moira MacTaggert
Threnody
Sebastian Shaw & The Hellfire Club
Gamemaster
Upstarts
Fabian Cortez
Gideon
Mutant Liberation Front
Cannonball
Cable
Stryfe

X-Men : Declassified
all 1 page, excepted Thunderbird (1/2 page)
Rogue
Colossus
Beast
Cable
X-Man
Gambit
Nightcrawler
Psylocke
Professor X
Phoenix (Jean)
Thunderbird (Shara)
Storm
Shadowcat
Wolverine

I also noticed that in the Marvel Atlas TPB, there is some entries modified or expanded :
United Kingdom 6p
China 3p
Japan 4p
Canada 4p
USA 7p
Santo Marco 1p (the flag is different)
The Appendix has one more page and includes Earth's Active and Inactive Satellites

I will come as soon as I can with the 10 Punisher Armory issues, Iron Manual I, Wolverine Encyclopedia 1 & 2, The Beast Files (from Marvel Vision and reprinted in the Wolverine : Weapon X Files TPB), Spider-Man Unmasked and The Xavier Institute Alumni Yearbook, but be patient, I won't be home for the next 2 weeks.

Germany also had the name of Morlun's victim revealed in the Atlas TPB as well.

Andy E. Nystrom

Jan 9, 2012, 11:36 am

Thank you, RVcousin. I'm doing the updates now. Will treat Holocaust as 616 unless I hear an official note otherwise since there doesn't seem to be any other Age of Apocalypse references in the Stryfe book.

Are the MacTaggert and Gamemaster typos in the original entries? Should be MacTaggart and Gamesmaster. If so will note that in the Master List.

Sidney Osinga

Jan 9, 2012, 12:52 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Are the MacTaggert and Gamemaster typos in the original entries? Should be MacTaggart and Gamesmaster. If so will note that in the Master List.

Gamesmaster was a typo on the list, but it was spelled Mactaggert in the book.

Also, later today when I get home from work, I will submit the content list for Spider-Man Unmasked.

It's the only place where X-Cutioner and the Externals were really profiled for the moment.

The X-Cutioner got a profile in last year's X-Men: Earth's Mutant Heroes Handbook.

RVcousin

Jan 9, 2012, 05:47 pm

The X-Cutioner got a profile in last year's X-Men: Earth's Mutant Heroes Handbook.

Which means, that this entry is missing in the list...

Andy E. Nystrom

Jan 9, 2012, 09:15 pm

RVcousin wrote:
Which means, that this entry is missing in the list...

I'll add that in. Probably the confusion arose because I have two copies, one with missing pages/pages out of order and one with no missing pages/page still out of order.

Sidney Osinga

Jan 10, 2012, 03:29 am

The contents of Spider-Man Unmasked (1996). Most of the listings are half a page, the ones that are a full page are indicated. I'm not mentioning things that are not profiles.

Peter Parker (1 pg)
May Parker
Ben Parker
Mary Jane Watcon-Parker
Anna Watson
J. Jonah Jameson
Joe "Robbie" Robertson
Betty Brant Leeds
Ned Leeds
Flash Thompson
Beb Urich
Gwen Stacy
Capt. George Stacy
Harry Osborn
Liz Allan Osborn
John Jameson
Dr. Ashley Kafka
Green Goblin I (1 pg)
Doctor Octopus I (1 pg)
Venom (1 pg)
Carnage (1 pg)
Jackel (1 pg)
the Puma
Tombstone
Hammerhead
the Rose
Kingpin (1 pg)
Rhino
the Shocker
Beetle
Hydro Man
Scorpion (1 pg)
Kraven the Hunter (1 pg)
Vermin
Chameleon
Green Goblin II
Dr. Octopus II
the Vulture (1 pg)
Electro (1 pg)
the Lizard (1 pg)
Hobgoblin (1 pg)
Mysterio (1 pg)
Tendril
Kaine
Gaunt (1 pg)
Looter
Silvermane
Morbius
Spider-Slayers
Ben Reilly (1 pg)
Black Cat (1 pg)
Daredevil (1 pg)
Human Torch (1 pg)
Molten Man (1 pg)
Prowler (1 pg)
Punisher (1 pg)
Sandman (1 pg)
Silver Sable (1 pg)
Will O' the Wisp (1 pg)
Daily Bugle (1 pg)
Empire State University
Midtown High School

RVcousin

Jan 10, 2012, 05:17 pm

I didn't go away this week, so I can continue my contibution to the list.
I will continue with the Xavier Institute Alumni Yearbook.
This portraits are mentionning the original name, the future name if tehere is one, the real name, the Xavier Institute Affiliation (X-Men or New Mutants), the hometown, the talent, the activities and and a sentence begining with "Most Likely to..."
Don't know if they count for the list but here is the list of the characters profiled :
"Alumni Portraits" (each 1/3 page)
Cyclops
Marvel Girl (Jean)
Angel
Beast
Iceman
Mimic
Havok
Polaris
Banshee
Colossus
Nightcrawler
Storm
Sunfire
Wolverine
Thunderbird
Phoenix I (Jean Clone)
Sprite (Pryde)
Rogue
Phoenix II (Rachel)
Psylocke
Dazzler
Longshot
Jubilee
Gambit
Forge
Bishop
Revanche
Cannonball
Psyche
Karma
Sunspot
Wolfsbane
Magik
Magma
Warlock
Cypher

"Staff Portraits" (each 1/2 page)
Moira MacTaggart
Stevie Hunter
Changeling
Tom Corsi & Sharon Friedlander

I also remember having from the Onslaught/Heroes Reborn era 4 one-shots :
Captain America : The Legend, Fantastic Four : The Legend, Thor : The Legend and Iron Man : The Legend. They have each interviews, chronologies, best and worst moments recaps and many other good and funny stuffs about the character's history, including mini-portraits on their allies, friends wirst enemies, lamest enemies, loves, ...
For those who knows this books and this list, What do you think ? Must I list them for adding them into the list ?

Andy E. Nystrom

Jan 12, 2012, 11:00 am

Fell a bit behind due to a busy period. Hope to catch up by the end of the day now that things have slowed down, but in the meantime the X-Cutioner error is corrected and the Chosen, Jackal, and Stryfe books are added.

Andy E. Nystrom

Jan 12, 2012, 05:03 pm

One question about Spider-Man Unmasked: which Rose is covered in that entry? By 1996 I think there were already a few of them. Also, does Harry Osborn have two entries or is someone else supposed to be Green Goblin II in that book? And can I assume that the Hobgoblin covered is Macendale? Thx in advance.

Sidney Osinga

Jan 12, 2012, 08:54 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
One question about Spider-Man Unmasked: which Rose is covered in that entry? By 1996 I think there were already a few of them. Also, does Harry Osborn have two entries or is someone else supposed to be Green Goblin II in that book? And can I assume that the Hobgoblin covered is Macendale? Thx in advance.

That`s three questions. [img]file:///C:\Users\Andy\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image001.gif[/img]
In order:

Most of the entry did cover Richard Fisk, although it did mention the current Rose, whose identity was unrevealed at the time.

Yes, Harry did have two entries.

The Hodgoblin entry did mention Macendale`s time as the vilain, but most of the entry covered the original, whose ID was also unrevealed at the time.

Andy E. Nystrom

Jan 12, 2012, 11:04 pm

Sidney Osinga wrote:
That`s three questions. [img]file:///C:\Users\Andy\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image001.gif[/img]
In order:

Most of the entry did cover Richard Fisk, although it did mention the current Rose, whose identity was unrevealed at the time.

Yes, Harry did have two entries.

The Hodgoblin entry did mention Macendale`s time as the vilain, but most of the entry covered the original, whose ID was also unrevealed at the time.

Thx. Yeah. It started out as one question but then other questions popped up as I worked down the list and I forgot what I had written in that first phrase

Andy E. Nystrom

Jan 13, 2012, 12:09 am

All suggested additions to date now in the Master List.

Sidney Osinga

Jan 13, 2012, 02:14 am

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
All suggested additions to date now in the Master List.

Hobgoblin (Kingsley) got a full page in Spider-Man Unmasked, not a half one. And you left out Ned Leeds.

Also, I don't think the first Iron Manual and the Punisher Armory belong on this list. Both are about Tony Stark and Frank Castle (respectively) musing about the weapons, tools, and methods they use. The style they're done in isn't close to what is seen in the Files books.

Andy E. Nystrom

Jan 13, 2012, 11:13 am

Sidney Osinga wrote:
Hobgoblin (Kingsley) got a full page in Spider-Man Unmasked, not a half one. And you left out Ned Leeds.

Also, I don't think the first Iron Manual and the Punisher Armory belong on this list. Both are about Tony Stark and Frank Castle (respectively) musing about the weapons, tools, and methods they use. The style they're done in isn't close to what is seen in the Files books.

I've fixed those errors. If the weapons are divided into separate listings I'll allow them. OHOTMU#15 pretty much guaranteed that that particular door will always be open.

zuckyd1

Jan 28, 2012, 09:07 pm

I just added these to the "sightings outside the handbooks" thread, so I figured I'd mention them here as well. (no idea whether these are new or reprints):

WAR OF KINGS: WHO WILL RULE? (2009): Crystal (2 pgs), Medusa (2 pgs), Vulcan (1 pg), Ronan the Accuser (3 pgs)

DARK REIGN: THE GOBLIN LEGACY (2009): Norman Osborn (4 pgs), Harry Osborn (3 pgs)

zuckyd1

Feb 10, 2012, 09:57 pm

X-MEN: BOOKS OF ASKANI has file-type entries for the following: Mother Askani, Apocalypse, Rachel Summers, Askani Sisterhood, Blaquesmith, Unit: Dayspring, Ch'Vayre, Turin, Askani'son, Tetherblood, Daegon, Wysp, Fossil, Stryfe, Columbus, 'Strator Umbridge, Zero, Xavier

Andy E. Nystrom

Feb 11, 2012, 10:59 am

zuckyd1 wrote:
X-MEN: BOOKS OF ASKANI has file-type entries for the following: Mother Askani, Apocalypse, Rachel Summers, Askani Sisterhood, Blaquesmith, Unit: Dayspring, Ch'Vayre, Turin, Askani'son, Tetherblood, Daegon, Wysp, Fossil, Stryfe, Columbus, 'Strator Umbridge, Zero, Xavier

Thank you. What's the size of the entries?

zuckyd1

Feb 11, 2012, 06:00 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Thank you. What's the size of the entries?

Fossil's entry is 2 pages. The rest are all 1 page. Daegon's is barely an entry—just a full page illustration with the phrase "Beware the Daegon..." (although the entry IS listed in the table of contents).
The following entries are also accompanied by facing full-page portraits: Mother Askani, Apocalypse, Rachel Summers, Askani Sisterhood, Blaquesmith, Unit: Dayspring, Ch'Vayre, Turin, Askani'son, Tetherblood, Stryfe, Zero.

zuckyd1

Feb 11, 2012, 06:12 pm

Actually, looking it over again, it's more like Daegon and Wysp share a single 2-page entry.
All-in-all a somewhat odd volume. Sort of files-ish, definitely NOT a handbook—maybe "primer" would be the most apt term. I haven't read it yet, nor am I familiar with the original Askani storyline.

Andy E. Nystrom

Feb 13, 2012, 04:25 pm

Lots of changes:

Earths in the second A-Z hardcover added (Earths in later hardcovers to follow)

Update entries in A-Z softcover added (as usual, "page count" open to interpretation; will be happy to adjust if anyone wants to take a ruler to all the updates)

Entries in the Mystic Arcana hardcover but not the Mystic Arcana handbook added

Knights of Pendragon #14 added

Entries previously unlisted from New Avengers #1 Director's Cut added

Non-existent 1-page solo entries for U-Foes members in New Avengers: Most Wanted removed (Eric apparently confused this with the Director's Cut, which apparently does have 1/5 page entries on the individual U-Foes members; in Most Wanted there's a group entry instead).

Andy E. Nystrom

Feb 13, 2012, 05:34 pm

Captain Britain #11-13 and Knights of Pendragon #15 also now added.

Andy E. Nystrom

Feb 20, 2012, 05:41 pm

For my amusement I decided to see what the all-time largest entries were using this list. I might have missed one or two because I was mainly trying to use a simple keyword search, but it appears that the 25 biggest entries are:

1. Vampires: Vampires: The Marvel Undead 17 (6 main section plus 11 page appendix)
2. Spider-Man: A-Z hardcover #11, 13
3. Avengers: A-Z hardcover #1, 12
4. Wolverine: A-Z hardcover #13, 12
5. X-Men: A-Z hardcover #13, 12
6. Iron Man (Stark): A-Z hardcover #5, 11
7. Wolverine: Wolverine 2004 10
8. Xavier Institute for Higher Learning: A-Z hardcover #13 10
9. Demons: A-Z hardcover #3 9
10. Hulk: A-Z hardcover #5 9
11. Initiative: A-Z hardcover #9 9
12. Xavier Institute for Higher Learning: X-Men 2004 9
13. Captain America (Rogers): A-Z hardcover 8
14. Daredevil: Marvel Knights Encyclopedia 8
15. Demons: Marvel Zombies 8
16. Hulk: Gamma Files 8
17. Spider-Man: Spider-Man Encyclopedia 8
18. Squadron Supreme: Deluxe Edition #12 8 including sub-entries
19. Vampires: Deluxe Edition #20 8 including sub-entries
20. Wasp (Pym): A-Z hardcover #13 8
21. Asgardians: A-Z hardcover #14 7
22. Kang: A-Z hardcover #6 7
23. Skrulls: A-Z hardcover #10 7
24. Spider-Man: Amazing Spider-Man#545 7
25. Vampires: A-Z hardcover #12 7

Andy E. Nystrom

Feb 25, 2012, 08:35 pm

A few minor corrections to Iceman, Steel (Ikeda), and Digit as per the the Sightings thread.

Andy E. Nystrom

Feb 26, 2012, 09:39 pm

Added the Earths from the backs of Alternate Universes 2005 and Hardcover v3.

Remember when DC streamlined their universe back in the 1980s because they felt that all their alternate Earths were too confusing for readers? [img]file:///C:\Users\Andy\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image002.gif[/img]

zuckyd1

Feb 27, 2012, 12:41 am

According to the A-Z tpb vol. 1's Update Appendix, Black Widow (Voyant) has a revised profile in the Women of Marvel 2010 Handbook.

Andy E. Nystrom

Feb 27, 2012, 11:53 am

zuckyd1 wrote:
According to the A-Z tpb vol. 1's Update Appendix, Black Widow (Voyant) has a revised profile in the Women of Marvel 2010 Handbook.

I don't have that trade but my understanding is a number of characters have minor updating in that book but many do not. If enough of the entries have some changes, I can try to track down a copy and list the characters therein. If I include Voyant, I pretty much also have to include everyone else with comparable amounts of updating.

zuckyd1

Feb 27, 2012, 08:49 pm

I don't have that trade either; otherwise I'd help you out.

Andy E. Nystrom

Feb 28, 2012, 11:46 am

Added the Alternate Earths from Hardcover v4. This brings my post count to 1000! Though I see Stuart will be hitting the 1000 post mark very shortly as well.

captainswift

Feb 28, 2012, 01:10 pm

zuckyd1 wrote:
I don't have that trade either; otherwise I'd help you out.

I definitely think they're updated enough to count:

Aphrodite (goddess, updated from Venus; 4 pgs)
Athena (2)
Aurora (2)
Banshee (Theresa, updated from Siryn; 2 pgs)
Belova, Yelena (2)
Big Bertha (2)
Black Cat (3)
Black Widow (Voyant; 1)
Black Widow (Romanova; 4)
Brand, Abigail (2)
Carter, Sharon (2)
Clea (3)
Crystal (2)
Dagger (2)
Dazzler (3)
Domino (2)
Elektra (3)
Enchantress (2)
Firestar (2)
Frost, Emma (3)
Gamora (2)
Hayes, Molly (2)
Hela (2)
Hellcat (4)
Hill, Maria (1)
Hope (2)
Invisible Woman (4)
Jewel (previously listed as Jessica Jones; 2)
Jocasta (2)
Jubilee (2)
Knight, Misty (2)
Lady Deathstrike (2)
Lilith (daughter of Dracula; 2)
M (2)
Madame Masque (2)
Magik (Illyana; 3)
Mantis (3)
Marvel Girl (Rachel; 3)
Masters, Alicia (2)
Medusa (2)
Menace (2)
Millie the Model (2)
Miss America (2)
Mockingbird (3)
Moondragon (3)
Moonstone (4)
Morgan le Fey (3)
Ms. Marvel (4)
Mystique (2)
Namora (2)
Namorita (3)
Parker, May (3)
Phoenix (Jean; 5)
Photon (Monica; 3)
Pixie (Megan; 2)
Polaris (3)
Potts, Pepper (3)
Pryde, Kitty (3)
Psylocke (3)
Richards, Veleria (2)
Rogue (3)
Ross, Betty (2)
Satana (3)
Scarlet Witch (6)
Selene (2)
Sersi (2)
Shanna (2)
She-Hulk (Jennifer; 5)
Sif (3)
Silver Sable (3)
Snowbird (2)
Songbird (4)
Spider-Woman (3)
Squirrel Girl (2)
Stacy, Gwen (2)
Stature (2)
Storm (5)
Thena (2)
Thundra (2)
Tigra (3)
Titania (2)
Typhoid (3)
Umar (2)
Valkyrie (Brunnhilde; 3)
Valkyrie (Parrington; 2)
Venus (naiad; 1)
Vindicator (2)
Viper (4)
Wasp (5)
Watson, Mary Jane (4)
Wing, Colleen (2)
X-23 (2)

Andy E. Nystrom

Feb 28, 2012, 02:02 pm

captainswift wrote:
I definitely think they're updated enough to count:

Thank you, Cap! I've added those in, changed some of the cross-references, and renamed the Women of Marvel 2005 abbreviation to avoid confusion with the trade.

Andy E. Nystrom

Mar 14, 2012, 10:38 pm

Strikeforce: Morituri#13 added. Also see top of page 4 of the Sightings thread for a possible type of addition to this list that I want people's thoughts on.

Andy E. Nystrom

Mar 15, 2012, 07:31 pm

Added the entries from the Killraven GN plus the colour-corrected entries in Deluxe Edition#9

Andy E. Nystrom

Apr 24, 2012, 05:58 pm

Added softcover#4 plus Battletide#1. Tomorrow I'll most likely get to some more fun additions!

Andy E. Nystrom

Apr 25, 2012, 07:22 pm

Sorry, I was hoping to add the new material the same day Avengers Roll Call came out, but as noted in another thread the dastardly Diamond thwarted my plans. I like to be surprised in terms of who is in the issue so while I could get the page count from the other thread, I'll wait instead until I have the issue in hand to do so. Hope everyone understands. I'm going to Toronto in June so more than likely if I don't have the issue beforehand I'll get it there and update the list upon my return.

Andy E. Nystrom

May 12, 2012, 01:30 pm

Finally got in Avengers Roll Call. Master List now updated accordingly.

Andy E. Nystrom

Jun 4, 2012, 02:36 pm

Added in softcover #5 plus the Genealogy sub-entry from the first series. As always the small updates are tricky to measure and will be happy to consider others' measurements.

Still to come:
The remaining hardcover appendices, including the rest of the Earths
Capsule sub-entries 2007-onward, such as the individual demons listed under Demons
I also want to go through Deluxe again and see if any equipment's missing.
The "Files" books mentioned by rvcousin on page 3 that haven't yet been catalogued (will need to know the contents/page count)

Any other thoughts of material that still needs to be catalogued?

zuckyd1

Jun 4, 2012, 02:59 pm

The "Files" books mentioned by rvcousin on page 3 that haven't yet been catalogued (will need to know the contents/page count)

Which ones do you need to know?

Andy E. Nystrom

Jun 4, 2012, 04:29 pm

zuckyd1 wrote:
Which ones do you need to know?

Iron Manual 1 (i.e. the 1990s one), Punisher Armory 1-10, Wolverine Encyclopedia 1-2 (in the unlikely event that a legal copy of the material planned for 3 is out there, I'd love to include that too, but that's most likely wishful thinking), Beast Files from Marvel Vision

RVcousin

Jun 4, 2012, 05:22 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Iron Manual 1 (i.e. the 1990s one), Punisher Armory 1-10, Wolverine Encyclopedia 1-2 (in the unlikely event that a legal copy of the material planned for 3 is out there, I'd love to include that too, but that's most likely wishful thinking), Beast Files from Marvel Vision

Sorry, I was very busy this last few weeks. I will do this later this week.

Andy E. Nystrom

Jun 4, 2012, 05:41 pm

RVcousin wrote:
Sorry, I was very busy this last few weeks. I will do this later this week.

Sounds good, and no rush. After today will have limited computer access until the 14th or 15th anyway.

mal32

Jun 5, 2012, 11:51 am

I am sorry I don't post often but I wish you all knew that I really appreciate everything you all write about the OHotMU projects because from when I was a little kid here in Italy I love the idea to have entries about EVERYTHING about Marvel!!!!
I will try to do something to help to improve, where and if possible, the MAGNIFICENT ALL-NEW OHOTMU Master List...
thank you very much
:worthy:

RVcousin

Jul 1, 2012, 05:15 pm

Hi guys,
I was a little bit busy but here we go with the Beast Files first :
Each entries are two pages. It was published in Marvel Vision from #5 to #30 (with the exception of the #8) and reprinted in Wolverine : Weapon X Files TPB in the following order :
Genesis A.K.A. Tolliver
Holocaust / Nemesis
Magneto
Emplate
The Original X-Men (Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Iceman, Angel, Beast)
Wolverine / Weapon X
Professor X / Onslaught
Operation : Zero Tolerance (Humanity's Last Stand/Friends of Humanity, Senator Robert Kelly, Trask, Sentinels, Bastion)
Colossus
Spider-Man
Mister Sinister / Essex
Dark Beast
Rogue
Cable
Apocalypse
Henchmen (Four Horsemen of Apocalypse, Dark Riders, Marauders, Nasty Boys, MLF, Press Gang, Upstarts, Acolytes)
Havok
Storm
Nightcrawler
Juggernaut
Quicksilver
Captain America
Hulk
Marrow
Fantastic Four

Andy E. Nystrom

Jul 1, 2012, 06:58 pm

RVcousin wrote:
Hi guys,
I was a little bit busy but here we go with the Beast Files first :
Each entries are two pages. It was published in Marvel Vision from #5 to #30 (with the exception of the #8) and reprinted in Wolverine : Weapon X Files TPB in the following order :

Thank you and no worries on the delays. So the order they were reprinted in is the same as the published order (thus Emplate in #7 and Original X-Men in #9, etc?)

RVcousin

Jul 2, 2012, 07:42 am

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Thank you and no worries on the delays. So the order they were reprinted in is the same as the published order (thus Emplate in #7 and Original X-Men in #9, etc?)

Yes, they were published and reprinted in that order, but Magneto was in #7and Emplate was in #9.
You can either consider the entries with characters/teams in () as one or as separate entries (example : The Original X-Men one global entry or 5 individual entries. For me it's 5 individual entries).

Andy E. Nystrom · 1/07/2020 10:16 am

More historical text from Comixfan:

RVcousin
Jul 13, 2012, 05:49 pm

It's time to (try to) continue with the Iron Manual.
For this one, it's very hard to consider entries or not, just like the Marvel tarot. For me it's just Iron Man Armor (32 pages), but here is the details (if I don't mention the page count, then it's one page). Since there is no really entry names here are the ones given directly by Eliot R. Brown in his blog :

Major Head Sub-Assembly
Head#2, IM mod I
Eyepiece Simulated View
Right Palm Repulsor
Tessellation Failure
Average Suit Tile Arrangement
EMP Test Stand
General Arrangement Suit Mod IX (2 pages)
Particle Beam Weapons
Variable Geometry Wind Tunnel
Satellite Office (2 pages)
I called him HOMER
Mark III, Mod I
FOD (Foreign Object Damage)
Retreat
MID IX Boot Display
Ex-Atmosphere Project
Variable Threat Response Battle Suit Mod XI-Mk I
Titanic Wheelhouse – Trip 101
Stealth Suit
Laser Guided Munitions
Minigun Mod I MK I
Gauntlet Mini Cannon MOD III – MK I
Final Assembly Tank (2 pages)
Suit Maturation (2 pages)
Space Travel (2 pages)
Suite Support Vehicle Mod I

Hope it's understandable and you can consult Brown's blog for more details : http://www.eliotrbrown.com/wp/iron-manual.html

RVcousin
Jul 13, 2012, 06:23 pm

Same as the Iron Manual, The Punisher Armory #1-10.
Punisher's Arsenal (320 pages)
No seriously, here we go :
If no page count mentionned, then it's 1 page.
Here we go :

Punisher Armory #1
Uzi submachine guns (standard, mini and micro)
Blowguns
Swedish AT-4 anti-tank rocket launcher
Bugs (listening devices)
A view of the Punisher's desk
Barrett .50 sniper rifle
Knives: Gerber Mark II, SOG's Tech 7", Kershaw's Military Boot Knife, SOG's SERE folding knife, AMK's Quicksilver, Spyderco's Hunter, B&D Trading's Fazendeiro, Devil's Dart, Chris Reeve's Sable III, Kershaw's Diver's Knife, Moeller's Viper, Becker Knives' Machax
PN90 personnel defense weapon
Robbec "Shoot/No Shoot" Reaction Time Simulator
Glock-19 plastic gun
Locks and lockpicks
AR-15 Heavy Barreled Assault Rifle
Map database and making tools
XM 174 Rocket Launcher and South Africa's Striker Automatic shotgun
Tracer receiver
Scenario training area (2 pages)
The Punisher's Battle van (2pages)
Portable darkroom and cameras (Nikon F2, Minolta Freedom 100)
Camouflage suits and night visors (Litton Night Vision Pocketscope, Baird Night Vision Binocular)
The (destroyed) kitchen of a Columbian drug lord (explaining proper ways of enforcement and use of explosives)
Stingball grenades, Stun grenades and Thunder strips
His "Express-check-out" kit for quick escape route by jumping out of windows
Taser
Shooting knife
Making of masks
Training with random handguns (Ladysmith .38 Special, Beretta automatic 7-shot .25, Sturm Ruger .22, Smith & Wesson .38-44 M20 Heavy Duty)
Magnum guns
Comparison of Kevlar and Hybrid vest
Concealing his guns (Mac-10 hidden in a radio)
Hechler and Koch G3/92 sniper gun

Punisher Armory #2
MG42 machine gun
Barnett International's 'Demon' compound crossbow
Field Grade Casull .454 revolver
USAS-12 (Universal Sporting Automatic Shotgun-12)
Heckler and Koch MP5K submachine gun and SP89 semi-automatic
Ruger Mini-14
Smith and Wesson with Thunderzap ammo
Heckler and Koch P7 and P7M13
Remington 870 Magnum
SWAT issue Armored Security Vehicles (2pages)
Hammerli 280 pistol
Chevy Malibu with survival gear
Custom made laser targeting system
MPi8as
SIG P-228 and belt pouches for rounds
Franchi SPAS-12 (Sporting Purpose Automatic Shotgun)
Webley Mark II, 1910 Bergmann-Bayard, Remington's Derringer, Makarov, Old Model Super Single Six
Remote control flying gadgets
45 Enforcer
Calico M-950 handgun
Shurikens, axes, tomahawks
10mm Colt Government Model, Peter Stehr's Competition .45
Micro Chip's "Dalek" - a "watchdog" against burglars built from a Gatling minigun. (2 pages)
Training ground for impact
Tactical batons (nightsticks)
Modification kits for M-16A2 and Remington 870
Hovercraft
Sterling SMG, Heckler and Koch MP5SD3, Mac-10 with Sionics noise suppressor
Webley and Scott 37mm "signal projector" flare gun
His little boy's toy gun

Punisher Armory #3
Distraction devices - Def-Tec's M-25
Camillus MK-2, Ontario MK-3 and Phrobis CUK knives
Ruger MK II fine-shooting .22 pistol
Remote-controlled cameras hidden in PVC pipes
Taurus PT-92 AF pistol
Telephone signal scrambler, TransTec bug sniffer, Telephone Ears
Firestar mod 31 and 43
MK 760 sub gun
Heckler and Koch 19mm Flare Projector
Colt Commander Royal Escort and Midnight Escort
Ankle holsters: Bianchi's Model 12, Thad Rybka's Southern Comfort, Galco Thigh Holster
Claridge Model L and Model S
American Arms PX-22 and Walther TPH, Charter Arms Undercover, Ruger SP-101
Sea-Venture kayaks by Hydra
M61J pistol
Night vision devices: Starlight scope NVEC 700, NVEC 800 (2 pages)
US M1 Carbine
Bugging tips
Bites, Cuts and Punctures Kit packaged by TOPS
Pocket holsters: Galco Pocket Pal with Derringer's C.O.P. in .357 Magnum
Gargoyle Eye-Armor, Nova Stun Gun and other "forgotten" stuff of his.
D-Max Model 100C
Ruger Redhawk modified into .500 Magnum
E/R
Desert Eagle .50
Glock 17 and 19
Intra-Tech Derringer .32
M203PI hybrid assault weapon
Steyr AUGs
His scuba gear
Smith and Wesson snub-nosed .38 (he brought for Maria)

Punisher Armory #4
RotorWay Exec 90 helicopter
WAMCO shotgun shell holder and shells: AAI Ferret, Sage International's Lockbuster, Blammo Ammo crowd control load, Sabot Buckbuster
Street Sweeper shotgun
Ultimax 100 gun
M-79 40mm grenade launcher
Smith and Wesson Model 28 in .357 Magnum
Weapon zeroing in and aligning the sights and an XC-450
Army M-1 gun (modified)
Shooting range
Uzi pistols
Bianchi's Belly Band holster
Chinese RPGs
Suomi Mod 1931 9mm sub-gun
Galco's Miami Classic holster and a Czech Z75 auto pistol
Heckler and Koch SP-89 semi-automat
Glock 21 and Clark Custom .45
MM1 37mm or 40mm riot gun
Mauser Mod 712
Knight Tactics Duty Belt System
FAMAS 5.56mm NATO
FoulOut Machine (for gun cleaning)
M72A1 66mm rocket launcher
Wildey .45 Magnum
Ruger P-89DC
McMillan M89 silenced sniper rifle
AR-18
Derringer's 5-shot Black Widow with .22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire
Weaver Arms' Nighthawk
Enfield Assault Rifle L85
Italian Spectre 9mm
SR/SB 180 semi-automat
The Vietnam Memorial

Punisher Armory #5
ScubaPro Shotgun 2 snorkel, SeaQuest fins, Litton M982 waterproof night vision kit
AKS-74U gun
Logitech FotoMan
Sterling Arms riot control pistol
Heckler and Koch P11
Macar tactical rifle grenades and CAR-15
S&W Products Inc Handgun Sentinel safe
Swiss SIG P-210-6
Climbing practice ground and gear
Beretta M93R
RBP Model 1000 Series Undervest bulletproof vest and helmet
M62 assault rifle
Browning 1919A6N
Thompson Savage Company 1928A1, West Hurley Company 1928M1A1
Brewer's Ledge "portable cliff" - rock-climbing simulator
Training ground (2 pages)
Thompson/Center Arms' The Contender gun
H3T-1 imaging gadget
DeSantis shoulder holster, Colt Government Model 1911A1
Homemade door ram
Colt .45 plus "Carry Bevel Package"
Shooting range
M16K with Blair High Frequency Silencer
Arrow gun
Heckler and Koch G3A4s
Automag IV gun
Test chamber for handloads
"Cops and Robbers" scenario training area
Transpak GPS receiver
PA3/215 shotgun
Rocket belt

Punisher Armory #6
Ultra-light airplane (fits in a big Anvil case)
Ithaca Auto and Burglar side-by-side shotgun
Sage International long reach inspection mirror (to find car bombs)
Kukinage training ground (maintaining balance while moving)
M2A1 flame thrower
Walther's P88
Bren MK I gun
Jovina International Delta 786 with silencers
La France modification of a .45 Colt Government Model
Speed shooting range with a Springfield Custom 1911 in .45
Pauza Specialties Barrett .50 semi-auto
Quick Skill package (infrared cartridges for training)
Mossberg Model 590 Military shotgun
modular security system with passive infrared detectrs
Israeli Military Industries' Negev gun
Automatic Pistol Stechkin
Colt Anaconda with Eldorado Starfire cartridges
E.A.R. Noise atenuators and Davies Active Ear Defenders
Zodiac Sevylor trail boat and Personal Safety System Grapnel Hook
Sonic Tech's PnueGun
Lorinco L380 and Defender II stun gun
"Shooting from a hole" training area with EAA Windicator
Colt .357 Magnum Python and Smith and Wesson Model 686
Slide-out gun rack (fully packed)
Component Metals' M-5 gas gun in 37mm
EAA PM2 shotgun
M60E3 guns
Smith and Wesson .357 Mag
American Body Armor's Flotation Ballistic Vest
Beretta PM12S subgun
HALO Personnel Back Parachute kits
Scene of a crime

Punisher Armory #7
Micro's surveillance van (inside)
Safe houses (early warning devices, Sahara Bed Holster, QFI Victory MC5, etc)
Miami Sale-T-Cuff nylon cuffs, Cuff Optimum Protection Bag
Charge Linear Cutting (designing how to blow up a building)
A gun from Davao
Stoner 63A1 weapon system
Ingram M10, M11
Robertson Smoke Hood, Duram Emergency Escape Masks, Jalypso Pillow Mask, National Drager Parot Mask
Aikuchi 3.5" , 15" fighting knife with knuckle grip, Kydex by Sheath-Tech, Raid Gaulosies Knife, AMK
GM 78-F7 grenades
DeSantis shoulder holster rig for Uzi SMG
AMT's Back-Up .380 or 9mm Kurtz gun
TM-46 anti-tank land mines
Wyoming Arms gun and Small of Back Holster
Ultramatch Rifle
Garage facility with his cars (2 pages)
Harris Assault Vest, PRC model 77-1 stick grenades
"Burning building" training environment, Scattergun Technology's Entry Model shotgun
M56 submachine gun
Colt M1991A1 and Stealth III
Norinco Type 59 gun
SIG 550 and 551
Tactical Entry Tool (knife)
Heckler and Koch P9S
"Hush Puppy" guns
Mister Clear Out tear gas
Muzzelite Corporation's aftermarket accessory for Ruger Mini-14
Steyr GB gun
Thermovision TH-210 Compact Thermal Viewer
Bomb disposal robot
The place he kept his dog, Max

Punisher Armory #8
Environmental Technologies Group's ICADs
Second Chance's Security Circle (Bomb repression equipment)
Slashguard gloves DS20 and a katana he broke with his hands
Glock 17
STG 1713 and STG 4000U receiver (listening devices)
Para-Ordnance's P-12 guns
Soft body armor and K-30 armor plate
Sign language alphabet
Heckler and Koch 69A1 Grenade Launcher
Small of back 2 holster, SIG P228
Primafoam (exploding spray-can foam)
Steyr TMP and SPP
GKK-92C handgun
Steyr ACR
"No survivors" training area
Garbage trucks (2 pages)
Lyman "Hole in a Circle" targets and a Rossi gun.
Coda Enterprises Netgun
M79 40mm grenade launcher
Custom Leather Equipment's pocket holster for Derringer DA
TAC Holster with Smith and Wesson .38
M3 and M3A1 guns
McMillan sniper gun
Pro-Pak climbing equipment
M-19 Mortar
Wildcat 3500 (for ammo testing)
Portable T21B Running Man Sistem, shooting range
Heckler and Koch's MP5SD
Punisher's 10% Ballistic Gelatin recipe
Super Binocular, Litton's Electron Division's model M944 night vision google
Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington DC

Punisher Armory #9
Plumett Air Launcher Model 50 (AL-50)
Skedco transportation sled
Trelchem Vapor Protective Suit
Strike Force Training System
Maadi-Griffin TNx Carbine
K-D Portable Pool
General Electric's M-134 Minigun
Cold Steel's Rescue Series knives
Underwater testing of semiautomats (S&W .357 model, SIG P228, P12)
Television Equipment Association's Strategic Audio Products
Browning Hi-Power 9mm
Anite Company's Night Watch
Sterling Sub-Machine Gun Mark 6
STG-1105 casette recorder
Glock 17L
Workout room - Universal Weight Machine, Cbex Stairmaster, Versa Climber (2 pages)
Communication Control Systems' Currency Counter and Theftproof Briefcase
Heckler and Koch Universal Self-Loading Pistol
Mini video-surveillance system
Stingbag Impact Rounds
Bedford Technologies' Guardian Safe and a Caspian in .380
Non-lethal devices: Alaskan Magnum PepperGas, a Run Gun, Nova XR5000 stun gun
X-Ray scanner
M16A2 gun
Judgment Under Stress Training system
Laserarms Series 1 autopistol
M645 Thunder Rod Stun Grenade
Chinese Type 64 gun
CCS CC-2500 portable scrambler
Impax System (measures the punch/kick force)
Flag of the USA

Punisher Armory #10
British .55 Boys Anti-Tank Rifle Mark 1
Trebor Corporation's Un-Guns
Firing range, DEA entry shield
Sturm, Ruger and Co's MP9 submachine gun
CHARCO's Bulldog Pup
Basement test track (2 pages)
High-Standard Model 10 Police Automatic Shotgun
POP's M444 Launchable Stun Grenade
Danish Madsen Model 1950
Scramble Pad, Omni Jamp Spreader
Glock 18
Australian "the Owen" gun
ShootingChrony bullet speed measuring device
Sanford Automag
Mobile command post on a bus (2 pages)
Taurus PT92 semi-auto pistol
Colt Model 633
Compact Tactical Datalink System
Lahti Model 39 anti-tank weapon
Arrometer (arrow speed measurement)
Trijicon's Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight
RS 202 M2 Military Assault Shotgun
Magnum Research's Baby Eagle .41 AE
IPSC's Kombat Klassic gun
Body armors for Emergency Medical Service (EMS Ballistic concealable armor, Supreme Protector vest)
Mossberg's Bullpup 500 shotgun
SPM limpet mine
Colt Single Action Army: 1889 Colt Peacemaker
HA-5 hovercraft
His most important weapons: the personal objects his family possessed when they were killed (toys, keyring, wedding ring, glasses)

More details for the 1st two numbers also in the Brown's Blog :
http://www.eliotrbrown.com/wp/articles/punisher-armory

Andy E. Nystrom
Jul 13, 2012, 07:16 pm

Thank you, and sorry that I'm late updating this list and the other list. I've hit a particular busy period (due in part to summer arriving). But I haven't forgotten and will get to everything by August at the latest!

RVcousin
Jul 13, 2012, 07:16 pm

Here is a last one for today :
The Wolverine Encyclopedia #1-2
No page count, since it's just like the recent A-Z updates or the Avengers Log.

WOLVERINE ENCYCLOPEDIA #1
Acanti
Acolytes
Adversary
Age of Apocalypse
Albert
Alchemy & the Troll Associates
Alhazred, Abdul
Alpha Flight
Amiko
Anderson, Chief Magistrate
Angel/Archangel
Ani-Men
Apocalypse
Arcade
Arclight
Arkon
Asgard
Asteroid M
Aurora
Australia
Avalanche
Avalon
Avengers
Bamf
Banshee
Baran, Prince
Beast
Belasco
Beyonder
Binary
Bishop
Blackheart
Black King (Sebastian)
Black Queen (Selene)
Black Shadow
Black Tom
Black Widow
Blaze, Johnny
Blob
Blockbuster
Bloodscream
Blood Shadow
Bokenga, Lieutenant
Braddock, Brian
Brass
Brood
Bushwhacker
Cable
Cadre (Skrulls)
Caliban
Callisto
Cannonball
Captain America
Ch’Od
Champion, Imus
Champion of the Universe
Chang
Charlie (“Charlemagne” Cold War operative)
Cheney, Lila
Chief Examiner
Chimera
Chrome (Acolytes)
Clan Destine
Clea
Collins, Rusty
Colossus
Connover, Reverend William & Hannah
Cooper, Valerie
Corbeau, Dr. Peter
Cornelius, Dr.
Corporal Ebambe
Corrigan, Archie
Corrupt
Corsair
Cortez, Fabian
Count Nefaria
Courier
Coy, General
Crim, Lucy
Cromwell, Dredmund
Culloden, Zoe
Cyber
Cyclops
Cylla
Cypher
D’Alexis, Amber
D’ken
Dai-Komo
Daredevil
Darkhawk
Darkstar
Dark Riders
Dazzler
Deathbird
Deathlok
Deatwatch
Deadpool
Decimator
Department H
Der Jarrmacht
Destiny
Diamond Lil
Dirt Nap
Doc Samson
Domino
Eel
Egghead
Electron (Imperial Guard)
Elektra
Elsie Dee
Epsilon Red
Eric the Red
Excalibur
Exodus
Expediter (post in Landau, Luckman & Lake)
Famine
Fang
Fantastic Four
Fenris
Feral
Fetish
Firelord
Firestar
Fitzroy
Fleshstones
Forge
Freedom Force
Fury, Nick
Gambit
Gamesmaster
Garnoff, Father Alex
Gateway
Geist
Genosha
General Meltdown
Gene Nation
Generation X
Genesis
Ghost Rider (Ketch)
Gladiator
Grey, Jean
Grey, Nate
Groundhog
Guardian I (James)
Guardian II (Heather)
Gomurr the Ancient
Gyrich, Henry Peter
Hand
Harpoon
Harriers
Havok
Hellfire Club
Hellions
Hepzibah
Hercules
Hines, Miss
Hogboblin (Imperial Guard + Spider-Man’s Foe Kingsley)
Hodge, Cameron
Honor Sword of the Clan Yashida
Hulk
Hunter from Darkness
Hussar
Hydra
Iceman
Ike, Atladasca
Ilves, Dr. Reigert
Iron Fist
Island of Koma Koi
Jack (from Department H)
Jamil
Jones, Rick
Jubilee
Juggernaut
Jutta
Karma
Kayla
Kelly, Senator Robert Edward
Kierrok
Knight, Misty
Knights of Hellfire
Krakoa the Living Island
Kulan Gath

WOLVERINE ENCYCLOPEDIA #2
Lady Deathstrike
Lang, Stephen
Legion
Lilandra
Lockheed
Longshot
Loki
Lord Darkwind
Lord Shingen
Lupo
Lynx
Macabre
MacTaggert, Moira
Malice
Madripoor
Madrox
Magik
Magneto
Magnum, Moses
Mai (chinese woman killed by Black Shadow)
Mandarin
Mandroid
Marauders
Marrow
Masque
Mastermind (Jason)
Mastermind II (Martinique)
Mastodon
Maverick
McCabe, Lindsay
McCoy (Dark Beast)
Mean
Meggan
Mesmero
Microverse
Mimic
Mirage
Miss Locke
M’Kraan Crystal
MLF
Mojo
Mojo II
Mojoworld
Molecule Man
Mole Man
Monkeywrench
Monsters (german community)
Moonhunter and the Night Patrol
Moreau, David
Morlocks
Mr. Fantastic
Mr. Jip
Mr. Sinister
Muir Isle
Murderworld
Mystic Worm
Mystique
N’astirh
New Mutants
New Warriors
N’Garai
Nightcrawler
Nightmare
Nimrod
N’Kotha
Nomad
NORAD
Northstar
Nyoirin
O’Donnel
Ogun
Omega Red
Onslaught
Oracle
Overrider
Ozymandias
Patch (Wolverine)
Phalanx
Phoenix I (Phoenix Force)
Phoenix II (Rachel)
Pinocchio (Page’s Robot)
Plant Man
Plasma
Polaris
Porcupine
Post
Power Man (Josten)
Power Man (Cage)
Power Pack
Press Gang
Princess Bar
Prism
Professor (Weapon X)
Project
Proteus
Psi-Borg
Punisher
Psylocke
Puck
Pyro
Quatermain, Clay
Quicksilver
Rancor
Raza
Razor-Fist
Reaper
Reavers
Reiko
Rhino
Richards, Franklin
Rictor
Riptide
Roche
Roma
Rose (Rose Wu)
Rogue
Roughouse
+ 1 page on Madripoor and 1 page on the Princess Bar

Andy E. Nystrom

Jul 22, 2012, 11:48 am

RVcousin wrote:
Yes, they were published and reprinted in that order, but Magneto was in #7and Emplate was in #9.

You can either consider the entries with characters/teams in () as one or as separate entries (example : The Original X-Men one global entry or 5 individual entries. For me it's 5 individual entries).

I'll take care of all these in a couple weeks but have been meaning to ask: is this kind of like a Deluxe Edition entry like Circus of Crime, where there's a broad entry with a bit of history about the broad entry, and then smaller sub-entries within, so about 1/3 of a page per sub-entry? If so, once my schedule clears up I'll treat them like I would the other sub-entries.

In the meantime, adding the kid-friendly entries from Marvel Super-Heroes Magazine. I'll tackle the rest in a couple weeks.

mal32
Jul 23, 2012, 02:07 am

The entries end with "Rhunians".
What happened to the entries from S to Z?
(Thank you very much for your efforts)

Andy E. Nystrom
Aug 3, 2012, 07:08 pm

mal32 wrote:
The entries end with "Rhunians".
What happened to the entries from S to Z?
(Thank you very much for your efforts)

Sorry about the delay. You noticed this the very day I took off on vacation. Not sure what happened, but it's been fixed and will get to the other changes in a bit.

mal32
Aug 6, 2012, 06:13 am

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Sorry about the delay. You noticed this the very day I took off on vacation. Not sure what happened, but it's been fixed and will get to the other changes in a bit.

It is not necessary to be sorry, Andy, you do a magnificent work for us all and I will never stop to thank you for it.

Two things, for now:
1) the list ends now "Tiamat", I hope you will be able to fix the list until the Z because I really love and enjoy to look at it every day

2) I have all the "Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe - Deluxe Edition Trade Paperbacks" and there are other updated entries:
a) Angel (with the right costume) on #1
b) Cyclops (with the right costume) on #2
c) Hawkeye (with the right costume) on #3
d) Nomad (with another costume) on #5
e) Wonder Man (with the new costume) on #8

other 2 little things about the "Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe - Deluxe Edition Trade Paperbacks":
- the entry about the Masters of Evil, on the Deluxe Edition #8, had the two Baron Zemo's heads wrongly exchanged; the Trade Paperback fixed it putting the two heads on the right places on #4
- on the Trade Paperbacks sometimes Marvel omitted some entries existing in the Deluxe Edition; the first two ones omitted are the entries of Arnim Zola and Cloud (nebula); I will write soon to add other things...

Andy E. Nystrom
Aug 6, 2012, 09:20 am

mal32 wrote:
It is not necessary to be sorry, Andy, you do a magnificent work for us all and I will never stop to thank you for it.

Two things, for now:
1) the list ends now "Tiamat", I hope you will be able to fix the list until the Z because I really love and enjoy to look at it every day

Okay. this is very strange. In both cases I used ctrl-A to select the whole document before copying and pasting. With try this again and check carefully to see if the problem happens right away or if some of the list disappears some time after saving.

I do know my computer has had memory dump issues of late. Hopefully that's just a coincidence.

EDIT: Just did another copy/paste. Right now the list goes to Z. If you notice any letter cut-off now it's happening after the fact.

mal32
Aug 6, 2012, 10:19 am

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Okay. this is very strange. In both cases I used ctrl-A to select the whole document before copying and pasting. With try this again and check carefully to see if the problem happens right away or if some of the list disappears some time after saving.

I do know my computer has had memory dump issues of late. Hopefully that's just a coincidence.

EDIT: Just did another copy/paste. Right now the list goes to Z. If you notice any letter cut-off now it's happening after the fact.

I am sorry but I am going crazy but your list ends with "Rhz’Arr ME5MK App" now...
If you say you see that the list goes to Z, how is it possible that it ends before now? I really can't understand why this is happening.
I hope you can fix the problem and I am sorry for the disturb you are having... and I really hope we don't lose the important work you did.
Thank you very much for everything

Andy E. Nystrom
Aug 6, 2012, 04:42 pm

mal32 wrote:
I am sorry but I am going crazy but your list ends with "Rhz’Arr ME5MK App" now...
If you say you see that the list goes to Z, how is it possible that it ends before now? I really can't understand why this is happening.
I hope you can fix the problem and I am sorry for the disturb you are having... and I really hope we don't lose the important work you did.
Thank you very much for everything

It was definitely up to Z after I initially saved it, which means the issue is on Comixfan's end and not my end, making it beyond my ability to fix. Will try to find out who the right people are to look into this. The list as a whole is on my computer so as long as my own unrelated computer issues don't fry my hard drive I can retrieve the info. Will save an extra copy on my external hard drive to be safe.

EDIT: I just sent a message off to the site's Editor in Chief. I won't try to paste the list again just yet because of the time delay before the cutting off occurs, and because I want the tech people to be able to see what the problem is. Once I get some answers will make another attempt to paste it in.

mal32
Aug 6, 2012, 05:59 pm

Ok, I wil keep my fingers crossed, thank you very much

Andy E. Nystrom
Aug 6, 2012, 07:11 pm

mal32 wrote:
Ok, I wil keep my fingers crossed, thank you very much

You're welcome. If I have to I'll use my second post for part of the list, but that might affect the ability to jump to a letter, so I'll keep it in one post if I can.
mal32
Aug 10, 2012, 04:56 am

Waiting for the hoped fix from the tech people,
may I tell you that I think it would be good if you change this voice:

Baxter Building
Orig #2 App, ME6FF 1

to:
Baxter Building
Orig #2 App, Orig #4 2 as Fantastic Four Headquarters, ME6FF 1

because the entry: "Fantastic Four Headquarters" on the #4 of the Original series talks about the original Baxter Building

Andy E. Nystrom

Aug 11, 2012, 09:31 pm

mal32 wrote:
Waiting for the hoped fix from the tech people,
may I tell you that I think it would be good if you change this voice:

Baxter Building
Orig #2 App, ME6FF 1

to:
Baxter Building
Orig #2 App, Orig #4 2 as Fantastic Four Headquarters, ME6FF 1

because the entry: "Fantastic Four Headquarters" on the #4 of the Original series talks about the original Baxter Building

I just followed up by way of a different means since I realized too late that the first means might not get his attention. Will follow up again in a week if I haven't heard anything.

Groupings like these and weapons are tricky because sometimes they're divided up, sometimes not and they can be a bit of a headache determining if two similar entries are quite the same focus or not. Generally I tend to treat them as the item equivalent of teams vs individuals so in this instance FF HQ would be the "team" and Baxter Building would be the "individual". Having said that, once the current mess is taken care of will look at the FF HQ entry and see if a Baxter Building sub-entry can logically be derived from that, without opening up a larger can of worms in the process.

mal32
Aug 13, 2012, 03:06 am

You are right, Andy, if the "Fantastic Four headquarters" entry (on #4 of the Original series) talked also about other FF's headquarters it would be different, but Marvel talked only about the original Baxter Building (I checked it).
The important thing to remember is that their next headquarters, the Four Freedoms Plaza, first appeared in FF#289 (April, 1986) and OHotMU first series #4 is dated April, 1983, so they could talk only about the first Baxter Building.

Andy E. Nystrom
Aug 19, 2012, 08:29 pm

I never heard back so I've pasted in the full list again. Right now it's good. If it stays intact I'll start tackling the backlog of edits.

mal32
Aug 20, 2012, 06:32 am
Now your list is perfect!!! Thank you very very much!!![img]file:///C:\Users\Andy\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image001.gif[/img]

About the "Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe - Deluxe Edition Trade Paperbacks (1986)" I verified everything.
In addition to the updaptes you already listed in your list, under the "Dtpb" voice, there are also the following things to add, if possible:

Marvel omitted, on the Trade Paperbacks, the following ones existing on the Deluxe Edition:
Arnim Zola on #1
Cloud (Nebula) on #2
Kraven on #4
Primus on #5
Sin Eater on #6
Tower on #7
appendix: Alien Races on #8
Ghaur on #9

Marvel changed, on the Trade Paperbacks, also the following ones:
Angel on #1
Cyclops on #2
Hawkeye on #3
Masters of Evil on #4 - a minor fix: the original entry, on the Deluxe Edition #8, had the two Baron Zemo's heads wrongly exchanged; the Trade Paperback fixed it putting the two heads on the right places on #4
Nomad on#5
Ghost Rider (western) changed to Phantom Rider on #5 (to avoid confusion with Johnny Blaze, I presume)
Red Ronin on #6
Wonder Man on #8

About the 2 following ones Marvel omitted, on the Trade Paperbacks, the original entries about the living ones and they printed only the dead ones entries (Marvel originally printed 2 entries about each character on the Deluxe Editions):
Blackout omitted on #1 and printed only in #8
Spymaster omitted in #6 and printed only in #10

mal32

Aug 23, 2012, 01:10 pm

I would like to add a little information:
Marvel reprinted almost all the updated entries from the "Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe - Deluxe Edition Trade Paperbacks" (1986) at the end of the "Essential Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe - Update 89" (2006), in black and white, as a bonus.
The funny thing is they made a little mistake: on the Essential they reprinted also the entry of Angel (Warren Worthington III) but instead of the updated one with the right costume, they reprinted the wrong one from #1 of the Deluxe Edition...

mal32

Sep 10, 2012, 07:57 am

Another little thing:
in the list you wrote this:
Young Allies (WW2) GAge App, Hardc #13 1
Young Allies (Counter-Earth) ANew #12 1

but the entry about the Young Allies on the Hardcover #13 doesn't talk about the World War II ones, it talks only about the Counter-Earth ones

so I think it would be better write this, in the list, if possible:
Young Allies (WW2) GAge App
Young Allies (Counter-Earth) ANew #12 1, Hardc #13 1

Andy E. Nystrom

Oct 18, 2012, 01:41 pm

Getting caught up on these. Still need the following information regarding the Beast Files entry on the X-Men, which apparently had info on individual members:

First here's the original Marvel Vision post

Hi guys,
I was a little bit busy but here we go with the Beast Files first :
Each entries are two pages. It was published in Marvel Vision from #5 to #30 (with the exception of the #8) and reprinted in Wolverine : Weapon X Files TPB in the following order :
Genesis A.K.A. Tolliver
Holocaust / Nemesis
Magneto
Emplate
The Original X-Men (Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Iceman, Angel, Beast)
Wolverine / Weapon X
Professor X / Onslaught
Operation : Zero Tolerance (Humanity's Last Stand/Friends of Humanity, Senator Robert Kelly, Trask, Sentinels, Bastion)
Colossus
Spider-Man
Mister Sinister / Essex
Dark Beast
Rogue
Cable
Apocalypse
Henchmen (Four Horsemen of Apocalypse, Dark Riders, Marauders, Nasty Boys, MLF, Press Gang, Upstarts, Acolytes)
Havok
Storm
Nightcrawler
Juggernaut
Quicksilver
Captain America
Hulk
Marrow
Fantastic Four

Then my earlier question

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
I'll take care of all these in a couple weeks but have been meaning to ask: is this kind of like a Deluxe Edition entry like Circus of Crime, where there's a broad entry with a bit of history about the broad entry, and then smaller sub-entries within, so about 1/3 of a page per sub-entry?

I admit I find the X-Men sub-universe a bit confusing (it's only a matter of time before the Iceman of Earth-295 is revealed to actually be the small intestine of the Colossus of Earth-616 or some such thing) so more questions:
1. Is the Holocaust/Nemesis entry a case of two characters sharing the same entry? That was my original thought but then the Mr Sinister entry threw me off (see below)
2. Is the "Weapon X" in "Wolverine / Weapon X" the team or the alias of Wolverine?
3. Does the "Professor X / Onslaught" entry teat Onslaught as an alias of Prof X (ie his evil self) or as two characters sharing the same entry?
4.Are the individual Operation: Zero Tolerance characters given appendix style entries within the larger entry?
5. Can I assume that Essex refers to Mister Sinister himself and not a separate character sharing the entry?
6. Are the individual Henchmen given Appendix style entries within the larger entry?

On another note: is the Deathlok in Wolverine Encyclopedia #1 Manning?
While it's disappointing that the final volume of the Wolverine Encyclopedia never got published, I have to admit it's amusing that as a result there's an entry for Wolverine as Patch in that series but not for one for him as Wolverine.

Andy E. Nystrom

Oct 18, 2012, 04:20 pm

Added Fear Itself, Marvel Super-Heroes #3 from the Sightings thread. Added Marvel Vision (except those that may have sub-entries; awaiting clarification on those). Added the Wolverine Encyclopedia stuff. Holding off on the Iron Manual and Punisher Armory entries as I decide how best to catalogue those (though they will appear at some point). Ditto the Deluxe trade info. Amended Baxter Building and Young Allies (the latter error was a carry-over from the older version of the Master List).

Wait until you see what's next. I'll give everyone a hint: they've been added in the past while in appendices (while Eric was in charge of the list) but not when they've been in the body, so the rest probably ought to be added to be consistent.

Andy E. Nystrom

Oct 18, 2012, 08:57 pm

Okay, I've now added the "headshots" type sub-entries and all similar entries from the original edition and will soon be doing the same for later volumes. I felt that was important because quite a few characters only get their due in the headshots, or only get their due in a particular incarnation (the headshots are for example the closest we have for an Ant-Man [Henry Pym] entry, while his other aliases have gotten their due in regular or Appendix entries).

Sadly, I think the original edition has now been catalogued for anything that could be considered an entry or sub-entry. If anyone is eagle eyed to spot anything else from that edition that could be added (or if you notice I've missed an entry or two), let me know. But I think that's it for the original series!

Andy E. Nystrom

Oct 20, 2012, 12:20 am

Headshot info from Deluxe Edition added!

Andy E. Nystrom

Oct 20, 2012, 01:46 pm

Headshot info from Update '89 added!

Andy E. Nystrom

Oct 20, 2012, 10:18 pm

New additions
Fellowship of Fear: Fear Lords headshots
All-New Iron Manual: Order capsule entries, Stark Industries headshots
X-Men: Earth’s Mutant Heroes: Neo and Vaklyrior headshots, Warpies capsule entries

Andy E. Nystrom

Oct 21, 2012, 03:41 pm

Newest additions:
Wolverine 2004: added in headshots from Alpha Flight, Madripoor. Reavers, Weapon X
Mighty Avengers: Most Wanted: added headshots from Yakuza
Gamma Files: added capsule entries from Gamma Mutates, headshots form Initiative, Renegades, Tribbitites, Changelings
Messiah Complex: added headshots from Exiles et al, Marauders, New X-Men, Savage Land Mutates, Shi’ar, Starjammers, SWORD, X-Cell, X-Men Update

Lots of characters added for the first time. If you notice any errors/things you think need clarification, let me know.

One thing I'm thinking of doing is adding in alter egos even for those characters who don't share their code name with anyone. The reason is twofold: to ensure I haven't overlooked any cases where two or more people share the same name (or conversely to ensure the same character isn't on the list twice) and also so the info is handy when adding in new stuff, if I'm not sure if it's the same person as someone already listed. However, that is a huge project in of itself, so before I embark on this, is this an addition people would find helpful?

Angelicknight

Oct 21, 2012, 04:05 pm

It would be a nice addition but as you say a huge undertaking also very time consuming i would imagine.

mal32

Oct 22, 2012, 07:31 am

...

Lots of characters added for the first time. If you notice any errors/things you think need clarification, let me know.

...

Dear Andy you are WONDERFUL!!! And I thank you very much!!!
About: "Major Victory (Vance Astro)",
I think we could add also:
U89 #1 2
like you did for "Justice (Vance Astrovik/Vance Astro)"
because this entry from the 1989 update talks of both the two Vance Astros: the one from Earth-616 and the one from Earth-691

Andy E. Nystrom

Oct 22, 2012, 08:11 pm

mal32 wrote:
Dear Andy you are WONDERFUL!!! And I thank you very much!!!
About: "Major Victory (Vance Astro)",
I think we could add also:
U89 #1 2
like you did for "Justice (Vance Astrovik/Vance Astro)"
because this entry from the 1989 update talks of both the two Vance Astros: the one from Earth-616 and the one from Earth-691

Thank you, Mal. I decided to treat it as a shared entry (so U89 #1 2 w/the other character), albeit a highly unusual instance of one given that prior to the Marvel Two-in-One story they were in fact the same person.

Other changes
Vampires: Headshots from Silvereye added
X-Men 2005: Headshots from X-Men added
Marvel Zombies: Capsule sub-entries from Angels and headshots from Darkhold and Demons from added

zuckyd1

Oct 25, 2012, 09:57 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
I admit I find the X-Men sub-universe a bit confusing (it's only a matter of time before the Iceman of Earth-295 is revealed to actually be the small intestine of the Colossus of Earth-616 or some such thing) so more questions:
1. Is the Holocaust/Nemesis entry a case of two characters sharing the same entry? That was my original thought but then the Mr Sinister entry threw me off (see below)
2. Is the "Weapon X" in "Wolverine / Weapon X" the team or the alias of Wolverine?
3. Does the "Professor X / Onslaught" entry teat Onslaught as an alias of Prof X (ie his evil self) or as two characters sharing the same entry?
4.Are the individual Operation: Zero Tolerance characters given appendix style entries within the larger entry?
5. Can I assume that Essex refers to Mister Sinister himself and not a separate character sharing the entry?
6. Are the individual Henchmen given Appendix style entries within the larger entry?
On another note: is the Deathlok in Wolverine Encyclopedia #1 Manning?

1. It is an entry for the character who was originally known as Nemesis and then "reborn" as Holocaust.
2. The alias.
3. The entry is primarily about Professor X and treats Onslaught as Xavier's "dark side".
4. See below.
5. Yes, Essex refers to Mister Sinister's original identity.
6. See below.
The Deathlok entry is for the Michael Collins incarnation who fought alongside Wolverine against MechaDoom.

Regarding #4, #6, and your earlier question: The group entries (Original X-Men, Operation: Zero Tolerance, Henchmen) are somewhat like the DE entries, but these are in a much more informal "Files" format and the sub-entries vary in length.

Also, the Operation: Zero Tolerance subentries should include Graydon Creed (situated between Humanity's Last Stand/Friends of Humanity and Senator Robert Kelly)

Andy E. Nystrom

Oct 26, 2012, 05:50 pm

Okay: I've added in the remaining Marvel Visiion material and moved the one Deathlok listing. I've also added a notte at the top about the original Deluxe trades.

I've decided what I want to do about the pin-up matter. Details to come.

I'm also thinking it would be nice to do a DC version of this list with the same parameters, just the official stuff (Who's Who, Secret Files, JLA-Z), completely DK free. Is this something there would be interest in and if so, are people okay with see it here despite the Marvel focus of this section? I have editing privileges here but not in the DC threads. I know there's the Sightings thread but this would have a much narrower focus.

mal32

Oct 27, 2012, 09:18 am

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
...
Okay: I've added in the remaining Marvel Visiion material and moved the one Deathlok listing. I've also added a notte at the top about the original Deluxe trades.

I've decided what I want to do about the pin-up matter. Details to come.

I'm also thinking it would be nice to do a DC version of this list with the same parameters, just the official stuff (Who's Who, Secret Files, JLA-Z), completely DK free. Is this something there would be interest in and if so, are people okay with see it here despite the Marvel focus of this section? I have editing privileges here but not in the DC threads. I know there's the Sightings thread but this would have a much narrower focus.

Dear Andy:
1) may I tell you that you duplicated the full, whole list at page 6? I think the second one is the completed one. Can you put the second list in the place of the one at the first page, please? Thank you ;-)

2) about:
Brother Tode (Tode)
he has an entry on the Master Edition #9 too

3) I agree about a list of the DC entries too and I made something in excel, if you give me time I will try to fix it and to share it as soon as possible (I love DC too and I feel bad they did not release a new Who's Who in recent years anymore)

Andy E. Nystrom

Oct 27, 2012, 12:47 pm

mal32 wrote:
Dear Andy:
1) may I tell you that you duplicated the full, whole list at page 6? I think the second one is the completed one. Can you put the second list in the place of the one at the first page, please? Thank you ;-)

2) about:
Brother Tode (Tode)
he has an entry on the Master Edition #9 too

3) I agree about a list of the DC entries too and I made something in excel, if you give me time I will try to fix it and to share it as soon as possible (I love DC too and I feel bad they did not release a new Who's Who in recent years anymore)

I've deleted the accidentally pased second Master List post but checked the first page and it's also the most current list. I'll correctly the Tode issue once I make a few more additions.

In terms of your list, would you be okay if instead I compiled things from scratch and then if there's anything missing you can suggest it? I realize you've already done all that work but my reasoning is two fold: I have a very specific way I was hoping to format such a list that might require a bit of reworking anyway. The other, perhaps more important reason is it gives me an excuse to look through my old Who's Who copies again page by page [img]file:///C:\Users\Andy\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image002.gif[/img]. Apparently there were plans to do a new Who's Who, with Robert Greenberger back on board, and the first issue was made, but then DC came up with Flashpoint so it didn't make sense to publish Who's Who books that would be quickly invalidated.

zuckyd1

Oct 27, 2012, 12:59 pm

Now your list is perfect!!! Thank you very very much!!![img]file:///C:\Users\Andy\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image001.gif[/img]

About the "Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe - Deluxe Edition Trade Paperbacks (1986)" I verified everything.
In addition to the updaptes you already listed in your list, under the "Dtpb" voice, there are also the following things to add, if possible:

Marvel omitted, on the Trade Paperbacks, the following ones existing on the Deluxe Edition:
Arnim Zola on #1
Cloud (Nebula) on #2
Kraven on #4
Primus on #5
Sin Eater on #6
Tower on #7
appendix: Alien Races on #8
Ghaur on #9

Marvel changed, on the Trade Paperbacks, also the following ones:
Angel on #1
Cyclops on #2
Hawkeye on #3
Masters of Evil on #4 - a minor fix: the original entry, on the Deluxe Edition #8, had the two Baron Zemo's heads wrongly exchanged; the Trade Paperback fixed it putting the two heads on the right places on #4
Nomad on#5
Ghost Rider (western) changed to Phantom Rider on #5 (to avoid confusion with Johnny Blaze, I presume)
Red Ronin on #6
Wonder Man on #8

The updated Red Ronin entry was not reprinted in the Essential '89 edition. What were the changes?

zuckyd1

Oct 27, 2012, 01:02 pm

Andy, I forgot to mention—in the Beast Files, the Fantastic Four entry also includes subentries: Mister Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Human Torch, The Thing.

Eduardo M.

Oct 27, 2012, 02:55 pm

why are the Deluxe Edition tpbs missing entries? I can understand Ghaur and Kraven being removed (although why Kraven didnt get an entry as part of the Book of the Dead group is beyond me) by why where the rest omitted?

Andy E. Nystrom

Oct 27, 2012, 03:55 pm

Eduardo M. wrote:
why are the Deluxe Edition tpbs missing entries? I can understand Ghaur and Kraven being removed (although why Kraven didnt get an entry as part of the Book of the Dead group is beyond me) by why where the rest omitted?

My suspicion is it was a page count issue; that is, the trades had fewer pages than needed to fill two issues each. Why they went with that page number is bigger mystery. Maybe to stay within a particular page printing rate? It's a shame that Jim Shooter stopped blogging because he might have known the answer to that.

At least the Essential volumes have all the entries; when updating the Master List I find them easier to flip through than the colour comics because there's only three volumes to grab.

Andy E. Nystrom

Oct 27, 2012, 08:34 pm

Made the Fantastic Four and Brother Tode corrections. Today I added in headshots in the first hardcover. Of course there’s still lots of older material to cover, but I’m housecleaning as well and it seemed simplest to tackle a single volume of something today, so I only need the one volume out.

Andy E. Nystrom

Oct 29, 2012, 08:08 pm

Added in most of the headshots and bodyshots from Hardcover v2. Not the Corps yet since that's a bit of a complicated misture of headshots and bodyshots. Plus 78 characters is a full addition in of itself

mal32

Nov 3, 2012, 06:09 am

The updated Red Ronin entry was not reprinted in the Essential '89 edition. What were the changes?
Forgive me if I reply so late, please; I checked the two Red Ronin entries and I see that the only apparent difference is the main image, the original artist on the Deluxe Edition #10 is Micheal Chen, the new artist on the Trade Paperback #6 is Marc Siry. I can't imagine why they changed the image only (but I like them both)

mal32

Nov 3, 2012, 06:58 am

Dear Andy, I thank you also because you cited me in the Master List about the Trade PaperBacks of the Deluxe Edition but I need to add something:

1) I omitted to tell you that also the entry of Purple Man (from Deluxe #10) was omitted on the Paperback #5 because printed in the Paperback #10 only in the dead characters (thanks captainswift)

2) I omitted also to signal that also the entry of the X-Factor (from Deluxe #15) was updated in text and drawings on the Paperback #8 (thanks to captainswift)

captainswift here:
http://www.comixfan.net/forums/showp...postcount=1535
made a very good list of almost every difference from the Deluxe and the Paperback editions

3) you wrote this:

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Serpent Society ... U89 #6 2

but I see that the Serpent Society's entry on the Update '89 has 3 pages not 2

4) you wrote this:

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
X-Factor Ship U89 #8 1

Prosh ANew #8 1, Hardc #9 1

could you signal that Prosh is an evolution of the X-Factor Ship, please?

5) may I ask you why you did not add the following updated entries in the Paperbacks from the Deluxe editions?

Angel from Deluxe #1 updated in Paperback #1

Cyclops from Deluxe #3 updated in Paperback #2

Hawkeye from Deluxe #5 updated in Paperback #3

Masters of Evil on #4 - a minor fix: the original entry, on the Deluxe Edition #8, had the two Baron Zemo's heads wrongly exchanged; the Trade Paperback fixed it putting the two heads on the right places on #4

Nomad from Deluxe #9 updated in Paperback #5

Red Ronin from Deluxe #10 updated in Paperback #6

Wonder Man from Deluxe #15 updated in Paperback #8

I am only curious, If you don't think they deserve to be added I will understand ;-)

6) weeks ago I wrote this:
Marvel reprinted almost all the updated entries from the "Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe - Deluxe Edition Trade Paperbacks" (1986) at the end of the "Essential Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe - Update 89" (2006), in black and white, as a bonus.
The funny thing is they made a little mistake: on the Essential they reprinted also the entry of Angel (Warren Worthington III) but instead of the updated one with the right costume, they reprinted the wrong one from #1 of the Deluxe Edition...

I forgot to add that in the Essential they did not reprint every updated entry, the omitted to reprint the followin ones:
1) Headmen (but they printed the new entry on the Update '89 #3;
2) Masters of Evil;
3) Phantom Rider;
4) Red Ronin;
5) X-Factor

Thank you very much... you don't know how much is useful your list for me!!!

mal32

Nov 3, 2012, 10:57 am

Another little thing: Contest of Champions vol. 1 #3 wrongly named the Lemurian Karthon as Karthon the Questor, his real name is: Karthon the Quester

captainswift

Nov 3, 2012, 01:05 pm

mal32 wrote:
Forgive me if I reply so late, please; I checked the two Red Ronin entries and I see that the only apparent difference is the main image, the original artist on the Deluxe Edition #10 is Micheal Chen, the new artist on the Trade Paperback #6 is Marc Siry. I can't imagine why they changed the image only (but I like them both)

Huh. They did change the art for Red Ronin. I didn't notice when I was looking through the books. It's strange, too. The art they replaced was better than the art they used instead, and the character's appearance didn't really change. I wonder if there was an issue with the artist at the time?

Andy E. Nystrom

Nov 3, 2012, 02:31 pm

mal32 wrote:
5) may I ask you why you did not add the following updated entries in the Paperbacks from the Deluxe editions?

Hi Mal

I'll include a few of your corrections before the end of the day (after I take care of a few household tasks).

In terms of updates in the original trades, I'm trying to decide how best to handle those so that's been on a backburner until I decide the best approach. The issue is that the trades are a huge can of worms and I'm trying to decide how much detail to go into without bogging down the introduction. If I gave the trades the space they truly deserve in the introduction, people might get frustrated and give up on the list before they even reach the letter A. So they updates will get covered once I decide what the right balance is in terms of detail vs. getting to the actual list sooner.

In the case of the omitted entries, that was a higher priority for two reasons: they don't take up that much space to detail, since for all those the change is exactly the same (i.e. the entries don't exist). Also, it's more critical that people know if a potentially desired entry is not in the volume.

mal32

Nov 4, 2012, 07:38 pm

Thank you for your kind replies, guys.

Another little thing for you, Andy: I don't want to annoy you but Marvel mispelled the name of Ereshkigal everywhere both in the Original series and in the Deluxe series. They called her Erishkigel but they corrected it in the Annunaki entry (I checked the name everywhere...)

so, instead of:
Erishkigel (Allatu) Orig #14 head, Hardc #1 caps
Erishkigel (Deviant) Orig #3 head, Del #3 head

it should be:
Ereshkigal (Allatu) Orig #14 head, Hardc #1 caps (mispelled Erishkigel)
Ereshkigal (Deviant) Orig #3 head, Del #3 head (Erishkigel)

ciao and thankyouverymuch ;-)

mal32

Nov 4, 2012, 08:18 pm

In:
Doctor Spectrum (Krimmon/Doctor Spectrum’s Power Prism)
it should be Krimonn instead of Krimmon

Andy E. Nystrom

Nov 4, 2012, 09:12 pm

Okay: A number of changes, mostly but not entirely to the introduction.

Added in most of the latest corrections (in the process merging the two places where Ereshkigal (Deviant) was listed); the Power Prism correction showed up too late for this batch but will make the next one
Corrected the Deluxe trade Headmen entry and sub-entries
Converted the Deluxe trades omissions section into a general Deluxe trade notes section
Added a new section clarifying the Essential trades
Updated the "Changes from the old version" list and added a much smaller "In progress" list

Sidney Osinga

Nov 8, 2012, 01:59 am

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
I'm also thinking it would be nice to do a DC version of this list with the same parameters, just the official stuff (Who's Who, Secret Files, JLA-Z), completely DK free. Is this something there would be interest in and if so, are people okay with see it here despite the Marvel focus of this section? I have editing privileges here but not in the DC threads. I know there's the Sightings thread but this would have a much narrower focus.

I, for one, would be interested in that.

mal32

Jan 1, 2013, 12:38 pm

May I wish a very beautiful 2013 to everybody?

zuckyd1

Feb 9, 2013, 08:12 pm

The listing for the Magistrati omits the book it appears in—Avengers Roll Call.

Andy E. Nystrom

Mar 13, 2013, 02:05 pm

zuckyd1 wrote:
The listing for the Magistrati omits the book it appears in—Avengers Roll Call.

Fixed that and added in the characters from the Sightings thread. Ms. Marvel/Captain Marvel cross-references amended accordingly.

Andy E. Nystrom

Mar 13, 2013, 07:30 pm

Headshots added from Cap: America's Avenger, FF50, Legacy 1960s; capsule entries added from Pets (during which I noticed that that Mole Man's Giganto needed to be separated from Namor's Gigantos)

Andy E. Nystrom

Mar 16, 2013, 09:34 pm

Headshots/capsule info from Avengers 2004 and A-Z 1-6 now added. Total page count in Word (Courier New 10 pt): 186

Andy E. Nystrom

Mar 17, 2013, 03:28 pm

Headshots and capsule info from A-Z 7-9, Iron Man 3, 1970s, Weapon X, Thor added. In the latter case, the Appendix entries are now included. Page count in Word is now 191, so don't print this off if you don't have to [img]file:///C:\Users\Andy\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image002.gif[/img]

Andy E. Nystrom

Mar 18, 2013, 10:18 pm

I've temporarily misfiled A-Z #10, but in the meantine have added in headshots and capsule entries from 11-12 plus Defenders, Phoenix, 198, Page Count 192

Andy E. Nystrom

Mar 21, 2013, 03:07 pm

Headshots, etc added from the 2008 and 2010 Update series (none found in 2008 update #1). Page count in Word now 197.

Andy E. Nystrom

Mar 21, 2013, 11:19 pm

Headshots, etc added from Avengers 300, Hardcover 3 (beyond material previously added), Hardcover 4; 199 pages.

Last edited by Andy E. Nystrom (1/07/2020 10:16 am)

Andy E. Nystrom · 1/07/2020 10:17 am

Final historical text from Comixfan:

Andy E. Nystrom

Mar 23, 2013, 09:28 pm

Most of the headshots and some of the body shots (not all) from Hardcover #5 now added. Appendix to follow. Now 203 pages.

Lots of new additions. If you are aware of any listings that should be split off or merged, let me know.

I'm already aware that Jake Fury's listing needs fixing, but since this is a Phoenix-like situation where what was once believed to be one character is actually two, I'll have to look at each entry separately to make sure I get this one right. So that one I already know about and just need to do the research.

Andy E. Nystrom

Mar 25, 2013, 10:38 pm

Hardcover v5's alternate Earths now added. So for those of you who have been anxiously wondering when Earth-989192 would finally make the Master List, your wait is over!

207 pages now.

Andy E. Nystrom

Mar 26, 2013, 12:51 pm

Hardcover #6 material inc. headshots and appendices now added, making the list now 209 pages.

Andy E. Nystrom

Mar 29, 2013, 10:41 am

Hardcover #7 material inc. headshots and appendices now added, making the list now 212 pages.

Meant to mention previously: The Legion of the Unliving entry suggests that even when the body of the member isn't the actual person, the spirit may be (certainly the presence of Arno Stark suggests a temporal component). Therefore I've given the members depicted in headshots the benefit of the doubt and included them with the core character. If any are known to be imposters in both body AND mind, let me know and I'll separate those ones out.

Andy E. Nystrom

Mar 30, 2013, 01:02 pm

Headshots, Appendix entries, etc., Hardcover #8 now added (plus Marvel Superheroes Magazine #7), bringing the total to 214 pages. Quite a few additions, though many of these to characters who had one previous headshot "entry", thus not affecting line count as much.

Andy E. Nystrom

Apr 12, 2013, 11:02 pm

Headshots and appendices (Olympians, politicians) from Hardcover #9 added, as well as material from Hulk #50. List now 216 pages.

Andy E. Nystrom

Apr 13, 2013, 09:29 pm

Added in All New #10, Avengers Roll Call, and Hardcover #10, bringing the total to 221. I left out the Appendix in the Hardcover this time around because it's a list of book titles with descriptions and thus arguably closer to an Index than a Handbook section.

By the way, for entries that are within other entries (headshots, 1/4 page entries in the Deluxe Edition, etc.), do people find it easy enough to find the entries or would people like me to clarify what the core entries are? Keep in mind that this of course would make the list a lot bigger!

Andy E. Nystrom

Apr 14, 2013, 02:48 pm

Added in Avengers Infinity Classic as per Sightings and headshots/capsule entries from Hardcover #11. Most additions this time around were to characters who had had a few entries before, so no effect on the page count this time around. As with Hardcover #10, the Appendix was book listings, so nothing that could easily be added in.

mal32

Apr 15, 2013, 03:36 am

Dear Andy, two importan things:

1) Recently I did not post here but I always admire your, and other persons, efforts and I will try to do more to merit it!!!!

2) what's happened to the list?
I mean that at page 1 instead of "The ALL-NEW OHOTMU Master List" now we have another copy of the "OHOTMU sightings outside the handbooks" ;-)

Andy E. Nystrom

Apr 15, 2013, 07:10 am

mal32 wrote:
Dear Andy, two importan things:

1) Recently I did not post here but I always admire your, and other persons, efforts and I will try to do more to merit it!!!!

2) what's happened to the list?
I mean that at page 1 instead of "The ALL-NEW OHOTMU Master List" now we have another copy of the "OHOTMU sightings outside the handbooks" ;-)

Thank you, Mal.

Whoops, copy and paste error. Fixed now!

Andy E. Nystrom

Apr 16, 2013, 02:57 pm

Headshots, capsule entries, Appendix material added, bringing the total page count to 223.

There's still a fair bit to be added in the future, but the well of material is admittedly slowly drying up. So, let me open it up:

1. What material not already in the Master List would you like to see included? I've been thinking of the Glossary, but that might be pushing it a bit, even though a few Glossary terms like Adamantium do have existing entries. But if there's an interest there for this or other ideas, I can add.

2. What would you like to see changed to make this easier to read?

Related to #2, though feel free to add suggestions beyond the below:

a. One person a while back stated a reference for no abbreviations related to a specific entry (e.g. not using SM as an abbreviation for Spider-Man or MM for Ms. Marvel). What are other people's thoughts?

b. I could add in alter egos to almost everyone. Would this make it less confusing for people, since characters do change names a lot or share names?

c. I can hyperlink cross-references so you jump straight to the actual entry info, so for example, the Ariel cross-reference takes you to Kitty Pryde. Would people like to see this?

d. For sub-entries (e.g. headshots and Deluxe Edition-style quarter-pagers) I can indicate what the core entry is. Would people like me to add that info?

mal32

Apr 16, 2013, 05:10 pm

Dear Andy tomorrow I will try to reply to give my opinion (here in Italy now is very late...) but I am a little worried for you because you ask for things that will take away much free time of yours to do them...

Andy E. Nystrom

Apr 16, 2013, 08:18 pm

Dear Andy tomorrow I will try to reply to give my opinion (here in Italy now is very late...) but I am a little worried for you because you ask for things that will take away much free time of yours to do them...

Actually I have a fair bit of free time right now, so volunteering is good for my resume. I'm thinking long term, stuff that will keep the list active during the Handbook drought. Any changes I make will be gradually rolled out, and once the drought ends, will shift to low priority as I focus on getting the new entries in.

Andy E. Nystrom

Apr 18, 2013, 11:58 am

Hardcover v13 added, bringing the total page count to 227. I finally figured out a way to bring in group shots with stats without being overly wordy (see the new bodyg abbreviation). Those will be added to such sub-entries the first 12 hardcovers later.

Andy E. Nystrom

Apr 18, 2013, 09:00 pm

Hardcover #14 headshots and capsule entries added, bringing the total Word page count to 229. Please see 183 for my thoughts on where to go next with this. Suggestions welcomed!

Andy E. Nystrom

Apr 27, 2013, 01:17 pm

Material from A-Z softcover #1 (headshots, etc) plus overlooked headshots from the corresponding hardcover added, bringing the page count to 231.

Andy E. Nystrom

Apr 27, 2013, 08:45 pm

Headshots from Deadpool added. Hardcover #2 material that I previously put off until I decided what to do with it added. Softcover #2 material added. Now 233 pages.

Andy E. Nystrom

Apr 28, 2013, 02:35 pm

A little bit of material from Hardcover #3 added, plus a lot from the Softcover, the latter mostly headshots from Daily Bugle and Demons; page count now 236. So if you've been wondering when Buttview would finally make it into the Master List, the wait is finally over!

Andy E. Nystrom

Apr 30, 2013, 02:43 pm

A fair bit of material (headshots, bodyshots, capsule entries) from A-Z softcover and a little bit from A-Z hardcover added, bringing the page count to 238. Fans of Elf with a Gun and Grasshopper will be glad to know I've expanded their coverage, clarifying the different versions.

mal32

May 2, 2013, 06:11 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Headshots, capsule entries, Appendix material added, bringing the total page count to 223.

There's still a fair bit to be added in the future, but the well of material is admittedly slowly drying up. So, let me open it up:

1. What material not already in the Master List would you like to see included? I've been thinking of the Glossary, but that might be pushing it a bit, even though a few Glossary terms like Adamantium do have existing entries. But if there's an interest there for this or other ideas, I can add.

2. What would you like to see changed to make this easier to read?

Related to #2, though feel free to add suggestions beyond the below:

a. One person a while back stated a reference for no abbreviations related to a specific entry (e.g. not using SM as an abbreviation for Spider-Man or MM for Ms. Marvel). What are other people's thoughts?

b. I could add in alter egos to almost everyone. Would this make it less confusing for people, since characters do change names a lot or share names?

c. I can hyperlink cross-references so you jump straight to the actual entry info, so for example, the Ariel cross-reference takes you to Kitty Pryde. Would people like to see this?

d. For sub-entries (e.g. headshots and Deluxe Edition-style quarter-pagers) I can indicate what the core entry is. Would people like me to add that info?

Dear Andy I am sorry I reply you so late (and I am also sorry because nobody replied you...) and now I try to do it at my best:

1. I am a completist so I would like the have included also the whole Glossary

2. I think the list is simple to read but:
2a. I always prefer no abbreviations if possible
2b. yes, having the alter egos added woul be better
2c. I don't think the hyperlinks are necessary
2d. yes I would like the core entries indication very much me too

you do a big effort here and if you want I can try to help you, Andy
now I thank you very much another time!!!!
ciao!!!!

Andy E. Nystrom

May 2, 2013, 07:06 pm

Thank you Mal. Any other thoughts, everyone?

Andy E. Nystrom

May 11, 2013, 02:49 pm

The usual additions from Hardcover #5 and Softcover #5 (the latter series I'm putting aside for now, though there is still material I can add later).

Also, Jungle Action #6 and 8 have a map of Wakanda which was obviously used as the basis for the maps in the original Handbooks (#8 has an additional page of text). These interesting Handbook precursors have been added.

zuckyd1

May 30, 2013, 10:41 pm

Manoo in MMon 1 is a different character than Man-oo in Pets and Hardc #14. (Although the files entry does briefly mention the latter character.)

zuckyd1

Jun 25, 2013, 10:44 am

Perry Webb [sic] and American Ace are the same person. You may want to link their entries.

Andy E. Nystrom

Aug 27, 2013, 07:03 pm

I made the above two corrections and added in material from the Sightings thread.

mal32

Aug 28, 2013, 09:27 am

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
I made the above two corrections and added in material from the Sightings thread.

May I ask you to add also the 4 pages entry about Star-Lord (Peter Jason Quill) from the "Star-Lord: The Hollow Crown", please?

mal32

Aug 29, 2013, 12:03 pm

I am sorry if I ask something already discussed elsewhere but I don't see any mention about the several "handbooks" on the Dark Tower (Dark Tower: Gunslinger's Guidebook; Dark Tower: End-World Almanac; Dark Tower: Guide To Gilead), why?
If necessary I can indicate the details.

zuckyd1

Aug 29, 2013, 12:46 pm

mal32 wrote:
am sorry if I ask something already discussed elsewhere but I don't see any mention about the several "handbooks" on the Dark Tower (Dark Tower: Gunslinger's Guidebook; Dark Tower: End-World Almanac; Dark Tower: Guide To Gilead), why?
If necessary I can indicate the details.

Since the Dark Tower isn't connected to the Marvel universe, they would go here: http://www.comixfan.net/forums/showthread.php?t=47448
(I'm pretty sure they've already been added.)

Andy E. Nystrom

Aug 29, 2013, 09:01 pm

Yes, that's the reason: they're licensed characters that are not part of the Marvel Universe. It would also be fun to include the GI Joe and Transformers books but they can't be included for the same reason. The Conan Handbook, however, makes it in because Conan's Marvel adventures take place in the 616 (main Marvel Earth) past.

The Star-Lord entry, however, was an oversight and will be folded in with the next set of additions.

Andy E. Nystrom

Sep 10, 2013, 02:46 pm

Just letting people know I'd hope to get to the latest additions in Sightings and this thread sooner but have hit a busy period. Will have then up by October at the latest.

mal32

Sep 11, 2013, 02:49 am

Thank you, Andy

Then I wrote the following Nov 10, 2013:
So the new site is a bit of a memory guzzler compared to the old one so I'll need to move the historical threads down one and split the Master List in half unfortunately.

Here's what I originally wrote above:
PS I realize the number/letter hyperlinks above aren't working now. Will work on fixing that after more posts are added

Andy E. Nystrom · 1/07/2020 10:22 am

Historical text from CxPulp:
Andy E. Nystrom
11-10-2013, 11:09 AM

So the new site is a bit of a memory guzzler compared to the old one so I'll need to move the historical threads down one and split the Master List in half unfortunately.

Andy E. Nystrom
11-10-2013, 11:10 AM

PS I realize the number/letter hyperlinks above aren't working now. Will work on fixing that after more posts are added

mal32
11-12-2013, 12:26 PM

About "Fandral the Dashing" there is ThorA as appearence but we should add "app" to it (Today I posted this in another place but only now I saw "The ALL-NEW OHOTMU Master List" come back)

Andy E. Nystrom
11-12-2013, 07:26 PM

mal32 wrote:
About "Fandral the Dashing" there is ThorA as appearence but we should add "app" to it (Today I posted this in another place but only now I saw "The ALL-NEW OHOTMU Master List" come back)

Thank you Mal. I've started working on additions to the Master List and hope to have them up tomorrow (Friday at the very latest). I'll correct that in the process. On a related note (and this also applies to the Sightings thread), unfortunately I've confirmed that jumping to a letter doesn't work in CX Pulp (that is, you can no longer click on the letter L and jump to the start of the entries beginning with the letter L). So anyone wanting to jump to a particularly place on the list will have to do a Find. I plan to start adding more alter egos and hopefully that will make it easier still to jump to a particular spot by doing a keyword search.

Andy E. Nystrom
11-15-2013, 02:10 AM

Letting people know I'm still going to try to get things caught up here and on Sightings tomoirrow but may not be able to: my main computer has crashed and had to be taken to the shop and there's something wrong with my backup computer as well (I'm actually posting this from Safe Mode), plus I'm having trouble accessing my external hard drive where I keep all my notes for this site. In short, if I can update everything tomorrow, I will. If not, I'll do so next chance I get once my main computer is working properly again.

Andy E. Nystrom
11-15-2013, 09:08 PM

Added in a bunch of material Zuckyd1 and Mal32 mentioned, mostly in the Sightings thread. Will add a lot of that to the Sightings thread itself later.

Also updated the intro with the correct link to the old Master List, and removed the jump to number/letter feature that no longer works.

Finally, started the process of adding in more alter egos.

Andy E. Nystrom
11-18-2013, 04:19 PM

Added a few alter egos. In the process I found a few duplicate entries and merged them: Destructor/Doomsday Man, Don Fortunato/Vincente Fortunato, Genesis/Tyler Dayspring, and, as noted by David, Captain America (Earth-X)/Steve Rogers-Archangel.

Andy E. Nystrom
11-19-2013, 11:50 AM

More alter egos added with more corrections. Resources that I've used so far are hardcover 1-6 and Spider-Man Encyclopedia. I even found a character in the latter whom I had previously overlooked.

mal32
12-17-2013, 12:49 PM

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
More alter egos added with more corrections.

Resources that I've used so far are hardcover 1-6 and Spider-Man Encyclopedia. I even found a character in the latter whom I had previously overlooked.

1) may I ask you wich character you left out, please?

2) may I apolozige to you also in public, Andy? (I beg for Andy's pardon because I disappeared... sorry...)

Andy E. Nystrom
12-17-2013, 04:27 PM

mal32 wrote:
1) may I ask you wich character you left out, please?

2) may I apolozige to you also in public, Andy? (I beg for Andy's pardon because I disappeared... sorry...)

Not a problem. I believe it was Darter in the Appendix (Eric to my knowledge put in everyone in the main body prior to my taking over the list).

zuckyd1
12-22-2013, 11:05 AM
Shanna the She-Devil (Shanna) CoC #2, Orig #9 2/3, Del #11 2, Wom05 1, Hardc #10 head, Hardc #10 2, HeroH 1/3 as StSD; ME5MK 1/3, Wom7D 2 as Shanna

ME5MK is out of chronological order.

Andy E. Nystrom
12-22-2013, 04:12 PM

zuckyd1 wrote:
ME5MK is out of chronological order.

There are probably a number of ones out of chronology, particular 1990s Files books, but this one is actually in the correct order. Note that everything before the semi-colon is for listings as Shanna the She-Devil and everything after is for listings as Shanna. So that encyclopedia was the first of two instances of the "She-Devil part being dropped". Actually I'm not sure where I got the Wom7D 2 info as I don't own the trade, so that one may be placed incorrectly but the ME5MK is correct.

zuckyd1
12-22-2013, 06:39 PM

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Actually I'm not sure where I got the Wom7D 2 info as I don't own the trade, so that one may be placed incorrectly

No, it's correct; her entry in Wom7D (2010) is simply "Shanna".

Andy E. Nystrom
12-22-2013, 11:44 PM

zuckyd1 wrote:
No, it's correct; her entry in Wom7D (2010) is simply "Shanna".

Okay, so that listing's okay then. But thx anyway for checking. There probably are quite a number that are a bit off and when those are pointed out, I will correct them!

mal32
12-25-2013, 10:52 AM

May I wish you all happy holidays?

P.S. Andy why in:
Human Torch (Jonathan Lowell Spencer Storm/Blaze)
there is also Blaze?

Andy E. Nystrom
12-25-2013, 01:20 PM

mal32 wrote:
May I wish you all happy holidays?

P.S. Andy why in:
Human Torch (Jonathan Lowell Spencer Storm/Blaze)
there is also Blaze?

Human Torch briefly adopted the identity Blaze to teach the other people using that name a lesson. The various Blazes, the Torch included are covered in the Fantastic Four Encyclopedia.

Andy E. Nystrom
12-25-2013, 08:55 PM
Added in alter egos from the the first two classic Handbooks. Also amended how AIM, Asgard, and Attilan were listed as in the original series.

mal32
12-26-2013, 06:38 PM

I am sorry but I looked at the FF Encyclopedia and I was not able to find this... because I am very curious about this thing (the Fantastic Four made me love the Marvel Universe) may I disturb you asking where I can find it, please?
Andy E. Nystrom
Human Torch briefly adopted the identity Blaze to teach the other people using that name a lesson. The various Blazes, the Torch included are covered in the Fantastic Four Encyclopedia.

Eduardo M.:
12-26-2013, 07:58 PM

mal32 wrote:
I am sorry but I looked at the FF Encyclopedia and I was not able to find this... because I am very curious about this thing (the Fantastic Four made me love the Marvel Universe) may I disturb you asking where I can find it, please?

The Torch as Blaze was covered in the Spider-Man encyclopedia under the entry for Blaze.

mal32
12-27-2013, 08:39 AM

Sometimes (often) I am very stupid... now I see it everywhere... Andy wrote it also under the Human Torch description... yesterday my eyes were out of order... sorry... and thank you all for your replies

Eduardo M. wrote:
The Torch as Blaze was covered in the Spider-Man encyclopedia under the entry for Blaze.

Andy E. Nystrom
12-28-2013, 03:13 AM

Funny thing: I thought I goofed and mentioned the wrong book, but Blaze is actually in both. Only in the FF book Blaze is in the appendix, so the Spidey entry's the better one.

Andy E. Nystrom
12-31-2013, 08:43 PM

Added in alter egos from original Handbooks 3-4; a few erroneous alter egos noted in quotation marks. Do you know who Carson Coolier Jr, Eugene Paul Colorito, and Edward Marlowe were believed to be the real names of?

Eduardo M.
01-01-2014, 02:39 AM

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Added in alter egos from original Handbooks 3-4; a few erroneous alter egos noted in quotation marks. Do you know who Carson Coolier Jr, Eugene Paul Colorito, and Edward Marlowe were believed to be the real names of?

I remember Carson Coolier jr was a possible identity for the first Scourge of the Underworld

Stuart V
01-01-2014, 07:10 AM

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Added in alter egos from original Handbooks 3-4; a few erroneous alter egos noted in quotation marks. Do you know who Carson Coolier Jr, Eugene Paul Colorito, and Edward Marlowe were believed to be the real names of?

Eduardo M. wrote:
I remember Carson Coolier jr was a possible identity for the first Scourge of the Underworld

Correct, Eduardo. The Deluxe Edition speculated that pre-existing character Carson Collier Jr (not Coolier) might have been the Scourge
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/enfo ... htm#Carson

Eugene Colorito is Eugene Patilio, a.k.a. Frog-Man. He's been given the wrong surname in a few comics, hence the confusion
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/frogm2.htm (scan down to the comments)

Edward Marlowe is one of Dr. Faustus' aliases.

Andy E. Nystrom
01-01-2014, 10:48 AM

Right on Faustus and Froggy. And I did make a typo on Collier's name, plus Collier Jr. was previously mentioned as a Scourge alias. However, Scourge hadn't appeared at the time of the first Handbooks (nor would he have made #3 or 4 even had he been). So there was another time that "Carson Collier Jr." was used in error, in fact the Handbook definitely stated this character was Collier. Collier Jr. just can't get a break.

Andy E. Nystrom
01-01-2014, 12:01 PM

Added in alter egos from original series #5-6. Added in one other alter ego in quotes from an earlier issue that was later changed, plus two more from #5-6.

So do you know who "Carson Collier Jr." (error in original Handbooks), "Frank Schlichting" (probable changed premise), "Jack Smith" (probable changed premise) and "Merton Meke" (probable error) were?

Eduardo M.
01-01-2014, 12:59 PM

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Added in alter egos from original series #5-6. Added in one other alter ego in quotes from an earlier issue that was later changed, plus two more from #5-6.

So do you know who "Carson Collier Jr." (error in original Handbooks), "Frank Schlichting" (probable changed premise), "Jack Smith" (probable changed premise) and "Merton Meke" (probable error) were?

Frank Schlichting was supposed to be the real name of Constrictor. his name was later changed to Frank Payne with Schlichting being an alias.

Andy E. Nystrom
01-01-2014, 11:38 PM

Eduardo M. wrote:
Frank Schlichting was supposed to be the real name of Constrictor. his name was later changed to Frank Payne with Schlichting being an alias.

Yes, that one's correct. Anyone want to try for the other three? I suspect there will be some head slapping when the answer to the Collier one is revealed. It's one of those ones where when you consider who all is in original Handbooks #3-4, there is only one character who is likely to have been misnamed Carson Collier Jr.

Angelicknight
01-02-2014, 11:00 AM

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Added in alter egos from original series #5-6. Added in one other alter ego in quotes from an earlier issue that was later changed, plus two more from #5-6.

So do you know who "Carson Collier Jr." (error in original Handbooks), "Frank Schlichting" (probable changed premise), "Jack Smith" (probable changed premise) and "Merton Meke" (probable error) were?

Enforcer - Carson Collier, Jr.
Goldbug - Jack Smith
Isbisa - Merton Meke

Andy E. Nystrom
01-02-2014, 11:25 AM

Yes to all three! So the Scourge answer was close as he claimed to have killed the Enforcer out of family shame.

mal32
01-02-2014, 04:46 PM

Hello, I am always so sorry because I would like to be more active and present...
however I would like to tell 2 little things:

1) about:
Planes of Pohldark Del #11 App
I have controlled Doctor Strange vol2 #65 (June, 1984) and the right word is Pohldahk, Marvel wrote it in a wrong way in the Deluxe Edition.
I think we could write it this way:
Planes of Pohldahk (mispelled Planes of Pohldark) Del #11 App
so people can find it both ways

2) about the Atlantean Kormok, in the list he is listed this way:
Kormox Del #1 head
it should be:
Kormok Orig #1 head, Del #1 head

P.S. have everybody a beautiful 2014!

Andy E. Nystrom
01-02-2014, 06:14 PM

mal32 wrote:
Hello, I am always so sorry because I would like to be more active and present...
however I would like to tell 2 little things:

1) about:
Planes of Pohldark Del #11 App
I have controlled Doctor Strange vol2 #65 (June, 1984) and the right word is Pohldahk, Marvel wrote it in a wrong way in the Deluxe Edition.
I think we could write it this way:
Planes of Pohldahk (mispelled Planes of Pohldark) Del #11 App
so people can find it both ways

2) about the Atlantean Kormok, in the list he is listed this way:
Kormox Del #1 head
it should be:
Kormok Orig #1 head, Del #1 head

P.S. have everybody a beautiful 2014!

Thx. I made those corrections. Also, I'm alternating between adding in alter egos from the hardcovers and the originals and have now added v7-9 of the hardcovers. In the process I corrected misfiling of at least three sets of characters (Midnight/Wilde and Midnight Sun, Protector/Marsh and Protector/Rul, Red Queen/Grey-9575 and Red Queen/Pryor). I also did at least one merger (Elixir and Josh Foley). As I go through these I'll also be attempting to unravel the mess caused by the revelation that Jacob Fury was never Scorpio (whimper).

Rayeye wrote:
01-03-2014, 07:51 PM

I was wondering if someone could tell me who the interior artist was for the Gamer's Handbook of the Marvel Universe 1990 volume 6? The handbook had some new art (like Alchemy and Malice), but the artist was never named, like in the other Gamer's Handbook issues (in those issues Jeff Butler, Mark Bagley or Mark Heike were credited). Only the cover artist was credited (Jeff Butler) and the "Marvel Bullpen" was credited for interior art. I'd really like to know if which artist was responsible for volume 6.

Also in the All-New OHOTMU A-Z hardcover vol. 11 the picture of Slayback's profile wasn't credited. I found out on the internet the picture was taken from the backboard of the Slayback action figure from Toy Biz (1994), but no reference of the artist. Does anybody know who the artist is?

mal32
01-08-2014, 11:44 AM

A few quick things:

1) about Marrina, from Alpha Flight, in the first original O.H.oftheM.U. series and in the Deluxe Edition, Marvel made a mistake in the Alpha Flight profile:
in the Original #1 they called her Marina, in the Deluxe #1 Marinna,
you, Andy, noted the first mistake but not the second one, so we should write it this way, if you agree:

Marrina Orig #1 head (misspelled Marina); Orig #7 1, Del #1 head (mispelled Marinna), Del #8 3, Mas #19 2, AvLog, ME2X 1/3, Av04 head, Hardc #1 head, AvAs 2, AZsc #1 head

2) Tiamut Deadpool Team-Up v2 tpb ½ R
should be:
Tiamat Deadpool Team-Up v2 tpb ½ R

3) about X-Factor (X-Terminators)
also they were updated in the "Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe - Deluxe Edition Trade Paperbacks" #8, Marvel changed the image of Angel in the one when he was Death, before Archangel, and they updated the history taking off a few original images, so we should have this:

X-Factor (X-Terminators) Del #15 2, Dtpb #8 2, Cer 1, Team 1, ME4S App, Hardc #13 1

4) about Crusader (Marvel Boy imposter)
I think we could write it this way:
Crusader (Marvel Boy imposter) Del #18 3, Mas #7 2, ME6FF 2/3 [above entries include informations that actually refers also to Marvel Boy (Robert Grayson)]; FF50 ½
adding also the Deluxe informations to the ones alread written

Andy E. Nystrom
01-08-2014, 12:01 PM

Thank you for the suggestions,
I haven't tackled the alter egos for the Deluxe Edition yet, which is why I hadn't spotted the Marina/Marrina there yet, but will fix that accordingly, as well as #2 and 3.

In the case of Crusader, however, the encyclopedia entry actually uses both names in the heading, which is why that bit looks a bit odd.

zuckyd1
01-23-2014, 12:18 AM

two typos in the Key:
ML6090: Marvel Legacy: the 1960s-1970s Handbook (only new or expanded Where are They Now sections noted)
PXav: Professor Xavier and the X-Mem

mal32
01-23-2014, 02:54 AM

The Master Edition appearences of both Mirages [Mirage (Desmond Charne) and Moonstar (Danielle Moonstar/Psyche/Mirage)] are inverted, they should be this way:

Mirage (Desmond Charne) .... Mas #6 2....

Moonstar (Danielle Moonstar/Psyche/Mirage) ... Mas #25 2...

and Danielle surname, Moonstar is mispelled "Moonsteer"

zuckyd1
01-23-2014, 09:31 PM
FearF: Fear Itself: The Fearless hc
XLAft: X-Men Legacy: Aftermath hc
XLCol: X-Men Legacy: Collision hc

The entries appear in the tpbs as well.

EDIT: This should be corrected on the Sightings thread as well.

zuckyd1
01-23-2014, 09:48 PM

PMIF is issue #69, not #42.
Also the individual friends and ladies probably qualify as sub-entries.

zuckyd1
01-23-2014, 09:51 PM

Isn't the Rampaging Hulk issue #4, not #7?

zuckyd1
01-23-2014, 11:07 PM
SIInf: Secret Invasion: Infiltration

This is a tpb.
SLordHC: Star-Lord: The Hollow Crown tpb

This is not a tpb but an oversized "floppy" issue. (Needs to be corrected in the Sightings thread as well.)
ThrUn: Thor Unplugged

I think you meant "ThrSp: Thor Spotlight"
UnivX: Universe X

Should be "Universe X Special Edition"

XFor: X-Force (1991 series)

In the individual character entries you have it listed as "Xfac" instead.
Genext

The "n" should be capitalized. Also, the Colossus who is profiled here is the one from that reality (which may be the same as Earth-41001). Change this in Sightings thread as well.
SpMSg: Spider-Man Saga

You may want to specify that this is the issue from 2010, not the series from 1991. (Applies to sightings thread as well.)

Andy E. Nystrom
01-25-2014, 06:11 PM

I've done most of David and Angelo's suggested fixes to this thread. Thank you! One of the suggestions is just for the Sightings thread and will be corrected there. I have both volumes to date of Essential Power Man and iron First so before adding in sub-entries to #67 I'll hunt down my copy and see how it looks firsthand.

Andy E. Nystrom
01-30-2014, 07:40 PM

Just realized I had forgotten to mention adding in alter egos from original #7-8 a while back. about to add some more in.

Andy E. Nystrom
02-01-2014, 02:54 PM

Added in alter egos and Earth designations using info from hardcovers #10-11. Saving the list on this site is getting slower and slower (on my computer at home, 11 font Calibri it's 307 pages) so I might have to eventually split the list again into three sections instead of two. If the Handbooks do start up again (and that CBR article suggested an online version might be happening - see this thread http://www.cxpulp.com/showthread.php...ndbooks-Coming) I may have to start a new thread to allow for greater splitting.

Andy E. Nystrom
02-01-2014, 03:45 PM

Originals #9-10 added. I merged Radion with his alter ego (and with the earlier two hardcovers merged Supreme Power with its Earth designation) and tried to untangle the Scorpio/Jacob Fury mess caused by the revelation that Fury was never Scorpio. Let me know if you think I have that correct.

Andy E. Nystrom
02-09-2014, 09:03 PM

Added in the new Star-Lord book. Also alter egos from hardcover #12 plus #13 up to X-Treme (I decided to continue from Xavier Institute later since there's a number in there). A few more Earth numbers also added, plus various other corrections. Fans of the second Tumbler (and deep down, aren't we all fans of the second Tumbler?) will be glad to know he finally gets his due on the Master List)

Andy E. Nystrom
02-11-2014, 07:04 PM

Alter egos added to characters from Hardcover #13 (from Xavier Institute) and 14

Andy E. Nystrom
02-16-2014, 11:24 AM

Alter egos from older Handbooks original #11 to Deluxe #7 added. Memory issues with the List are getting worse again so I may unfortunately at some point have to shift the historical text and split the list into four sections instead of two.

Andy E. Nystrom
02-16-2014, 07:22 PM

Added alter egos for the rest of the Deluxe listings, plus reality designations for Squadron Supreme members not already noted as such.

zuckyd1
03-19-2014, 06:53 PM

Shouldn't "FF04" be "FF05"?

zuckyd1
03-19-2014, 08:29 PM

"The Clinic — Personnel and Patients" entry in D.P.7 #19 is broken up neatly into subentries, so those might be worth listing as well.
(all 1/10 page)
Phillip Nolan Voigt ("Overshadow")
Dexter Charne ("Reinforcer")
Craig LaGraves
Tracy Speck ("Receptor")
Ms. Tanis Newhouse
Dr. Jane Semple
Harlan Hackbarth ("Regulator")
Orvile Upham
Juris Ziegler
Leland Sharp ("Shrapnel")
Geraldine Rumlow ("Vice Versa")
Edward Zentner ("Bloodhound")
Arthur Benway ("Freefall")
Rodney Weigand ("Tangler")
Sally Gallagher ("Shock")
Deborah Brownlea ("Dementia")
Lenore Fenzl ("Twilight")
Curtis Smith ("Staglamite")
Martin Murken ("Wormhole")
George Mullaney ("Mutator")
Pamela Leighton ("Interface")
Stephanie Harrington ("Glitter")
Dennis "Scuzz" Cuzinski ("Scorcher")
Charlotte Beck ("Friction")
Randy O'Brien ("Antibody")
David Landers ("Mastadon")
Jeffrey Walters ("Blur")
Terry Wilke ("Thrust")
Merriam Sorensen ("Sponge")
Dwight Frye ("Bazooka")
Evan Huebner ("Ghost-Driver")
John Rost ("Scrap Iron")
Jim Walkins ("Squirm")
Dionne McQuaid ("Indigo")
Annie Stevenson ("Quiver")
Ross Wexler ("Chill")
Lionel Berry ("Blindspot")
Heather Hanneman ("Raindrop")
Joel Larson ("Mothball")
Michael Crawley ("Dynamite")

zuckyd1
03-19-2014, 08:54 PM

another typo:
AgeA: Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe - AgeA of Apocalypse 2005

zuckyd1
03-20-2014, 12:05 PM

RRac½: Rocket Raccoon: Tales from the Half- World tpb
This is a regular comic (issue #1 in the indicia). Also, no "the".

zuckyd1
03-20-2014, 04:04 PM

FearF: Fear Itself: The Fearless hc
The entries are also in the tpb. This should be fixed on the Sightings thread as well.

zuckyd1
03-20-2014, 06:16 PM

CM1st: Captain Marvel: First Flight tpb
The title is actually Captain Marvel: In Pursuit of Flight.

zuckyd1
03-21-2014, 09:36 AM

"Avengers Mansion (New Avengers Mansion) Orig #1 2, Del #1 3, Av04 1½ as Avengers Manion; Aven #350 21 as New Avengers Mansion"
The entry in Avengers #350 is, sadly, only 2 pages.

zuckyd1
03-21-2014, 10:00 AM

"MutX" is missing from the Key.

"Albion (Peter Hunter) KPned #14 1, ANew #1 1, Hardc #1 1, Hardc #6 body, AZsc #1 caps"
should be "KPend"

"Task: Taskmaster#1"
This is the second volume, from 2010.

zuckyd1
04-25-2014, 10:23 AM
Asgard: The Nine Worlds (Nine Realms/Yggdrasil Unplugged: A Guide to the Nine Worlds) Del #1 1 sub, ThorA 3/3 sub as Asgard: The Nine Worlds; ThrGT as Nine Realms; ThrSp 3 as Yggdrasil…

I'm guessing that should be "1/3".

zuckyd1
06-01-2014, 12:13 PM

In the Key, "Stor: Siege: Storming Asgard: Heroes & Villains" — should be "SStor".

Andy E. Nystrom
06-05-2014, 09:25 AM

Thank you for the most recent corrections and additions in the recent threads. Will update when I get a chance.

I should probably explain while I haven't been around for a while: there was a fire in my building that while bad in the room it started from was not unusual for my apartment complex; entirely the fault of the occupant. But this time asbestos was found, extreme reactions occurred and around 100 people throughout that wing including myself suddenly found themselves kicked out off their suites. So my energies have been focussed on survival, finding a new place, packing etc; I haven't even had much time to focus on a previously booked two-week trip that begins next week. I move into my new place in July and will have more time and energy to deal with less critical more fun stuff after that.

So the lists will be revised and expanded, just not as soon as I had planned. Sorry to go of topic, just wanted to let people know why I haven't be able to tackle list duties in the last little bit.

mal32
06-05-2014, 12:34 PM

Thank you for sharing your problems with us. You was not forced to do it because we do this only for fun, but your efforts are always appreciated. I wish you good luck with your new home.

Kordalia 07-28-2014, 10:18 PM

Missing entry for the Enforcers : Mas #33 2

mal32
08-05-2014, 04:02 PM

About:
Gremlin (Kondrati Topolov)
I think we should add he is known also as "Titanium Man"

Andy E. Nystrom
08-05-2014, 05:40 PM

mal32 wrote:
About:
Gremlin (Kondrati Topolov)
I think we should add he is known also as "Titanium Man"

Just about to finally update these. On this particular point however, except in a small number of cases grandfathered in from Eric's days in charge of this list, we only list aliases where a character has had an entry under that name; it's not intended to be a comprehensive list. That's why Henry Pym's Ant-Man alias only appeared on the list when I started adding headshots even though he spent a lot of time as Ant-Man. Should even a capsule entry/headshot of Gremlin as Titanium Man appear, I would update the list accordingly.

Andy E. Nystrom
08-05-2014, 07:07 PM

Completed all the corrections aside from anything noted in the Sightings and Posters thread which I'll get too later. Also shuffled things around a bit to make the list three posts instead of two; CX Pulp can't handle larger posts the way Comixfan could, sadly. In fact even to edit this specific post there was a noticeable time delay. Eventually I might have to start a new Master List and split the list into 10 posts, but let's see how long CX Pulp can handle things the way they are.

mal32
08-07-2014, 04:04 AM

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Just about to finally update these. On this particular point however, except in a small number of cases grandfathered in from Eric's days in charge of this list, we only list aliases where a character has had an entry under that name; it's not intended to be a comprehensive list. That's why Henry Pym's Ant-Man alias only appeared on the list when I started adding headshots even though he spent a lot of time as Ant-Man. Should even a capsule entry/headshot of Gremlin as Titanium Man appear, I would update the list accordingly.

I understand, Andy, but I see that in the Deluxe Edition #12 Kondrati Topolov is listed, under the Soviet Super-Soldiers profile, both as Gremlin and as Titanium Man in two separated headshots, so I think we could add the Titanium Man reference.

mal32
08-17-2014, 05:45 AM

post deleted (I did not find how to really delete it, sorry)

mal32
08-17-2014, 05:52 AM

The "New Men" profile and headshots talk, also, about the "Animen" and the "Knights of Wundagore"; both these two last entries had separeted profiles in past books, too. I think we could have: "New Men/Animen/Knights of Wundagore"

and: "2099 A.D. (Marvel KnightséEarth-2992)" has the "é" instead of the "/"

Blue_Shield
09-13-2014, 01:26 PM

This list is great.

zuckyd1
09-14-2014, 11:45 AM

Masque (Morlock) ... Hardc #14 1
This is actually Masque the bio-duplicate.
(Also, I'm not sure if this entry originated in the HC or appeared in earlier form somewhere else.)

Eduardo M.
09-14-2014, 01:51 PM

zuckyd1 wrote:
Masque (Morlock) ... Hardc #14 1
This is actually Masque the bio-duplicate.
(Also, I'm not sure if this entry originated in the HC or appeared in earlier form somewhere else.)

I think its new. It spun-off of Madame Masque's profile

mal32
10-07-2014, 01:01 PM

Dear Andy, may I ask you if you had time to read what I wrote at the post #68? (I ask it not because I want to annoy you, but only because I am curious to see what you will decide)

Andy E. Nystrom
10-09-2014, 10:25 AM
mal32 wrote:
Dear Andy, may I ask you if you had time to read what I wrote at the post #68? (I ask it not because I want to annoy you, but only because I am curious to see what you will decide)

I'm just way behind between the unexpected move, helping with a festival, a nicer than expected summer, etc. I'll catch up on a lot of stuff within the week.

mal32
10-09-2014, 01:03 PM

no problems, of course

Andy E. Nystrom
10-11-2014, 09:00 PM

You voted to lose it, so it's gone! Anything too much like a poster or pin-up or otherwise too far removed form Handbook/Files formats have been removed and moved over to the Poster etc thread. Where applicable, dead abbreviations and cross-references resulting from the move have also been deleted. Just in case I've backed up the old version, but I'm hoping not to put anything back in as it's hours of work to keep moving things back and forth.

Tomorrow I'll tackle the newer additions.

Andy E. Nystrom
10-12-2014, 03:54 PM

I've corrected the Titanium Man, 2099, and Masque errors. The Knights of Wundagore are New Men soldiers and not the New Men race as a whole so i left that as is. I've added a clarifier to the Animen entry to indicate that they are a group of five New Men and not the whole race.

zuckyd1
10-16-2014, 07:18 PM

THOR ANNUAL #10 has a "pre-handbook" entry in a similar vein as those in Jungle Action #6 and 8: a 2-page Map of Asgard (virtually the same as the one that appeared later in the original handbook series) along with a one-page "Gazetteer of Asgard and Environs". I would ordinarily suggest placing these three issues in the pin-ups thread, but, since the maps reappeared virtually unchanged in the handbooks, I'm not sure.
http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronoco ... Asgard.jpg
http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronoco ... etteer.jpg

zuckyd1
10-18-2014, 04:33 PM

In the Key, I assume "YngAv XStor" should just be "YngAv".

Andy E. Nystrom
12-20-2014, 09:09 PM

I'm working on adding in the Avengers stuff and am almost done but wanted to toss out an idea and see what people think: the Master List is bursting at the seams and frankly saving the list each time characters etc are added is getting slower and slower (minutes to turn on the editor and minutes more to save). At the same time I know people don't like abbreviations that aren't in the key. So here's what I propose: for characters that have had entries under multiple names, I keep the "as ..." but in the parenthesis only leave in the real name/best descriptor.

Example:
Iron Man (Anthony Edward “Tony” Stark/Cobalt Man) CoC #1, Orig #1 head, Del #1 head, Del #6 4, U89 #4 3, Mas #15 2, AvLog, ME1 4, Av04 2, Av04 head, SWar ½, ML60 1, CivF 1, ML80 2, CWBat ½, MAvMW 8, WGam head, ANIr 11, Hardc #1 head, Hardc #5 head, Hardc #5 11, Hardc #6 head, Iron3 1, HeroH 1/3, SStor 1, ARCal 1 upd, AZsc #4 bodyg, AZsc #5 3/8, AvNow App as Iron Man; ANIr head, Hardc #11 head as Tony Stark; Hardc #12 head as Cobalt Man

Change to:
Iron Man (Anthony Edward Stark) CoC #1, Orig #1 head, Del #1 head, Del #6 4, U89 #4 3, Mas #15 2, AvLog, ME1 4, Av04 2, Av04 head, SWar ½, ML60 1, CivF 1, ML80 2, CWBat ½, MAvMW 8, WGam head, ANIr 11, Hardc #1 head, Hardc #5 head, Hardc #5 11, Hardc #6 head, Iron3 1, HeroH 1/3, SStor 1, ARCal 1 upd, AZsc #4 bodyg, AZsc #5 3/8, AvNow App as Iron Man; ANIr head, Hardc #11 head as Tony Stark; Hardc #12 head as Cobalt Man

Not ideal, I realize, but it will keep the list manageable a bit longer. What do people think?

Andy E. Nystrom
12-20-2014, 10:23 PM

Haven't taken care of older suggestions yet, but the Avengers Now! material is now added.

Migrating some stuff to the Posters thread did appear to speed up the editor a little but aside from the previous post, I'm open to other suggestions for keeping this list manageable. After all, we WANT more new Handbooks to keep expanding this list.

Andy E. Nystrom
12-26-2014, 01:26 AM

If anyone objects to the proposed format change in post #81 above, please say so by the end of the year. Otherwise in January I'll make the change.

mal32
12-27-2014, 06:22 AM

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
If anyone objects to the proposed format change in post #81 above, please say so by the end of the year. Otherwise in January I'll make the change.

I like more the original format but if you think it is better new way I agree with you!!!!

Andy E. Nystrom
12-28-2014, 01:01 AM

mal32 wrote:
I like more the original format but if you think it is better new way I agree with you!!!!

It's not so much an aesthetic thing for me as recognizing that the list is a bit of a memory guzzler. The only other option I can think of is to close this thread and start a new one that is broken up into 10 sections instead of the current three. But I'm open to other suggestions for making the list better able to handle future additions. Comixfan was able to handle a single mammoth size post but not this site, so we need to work with the hand that's been dealt.

mal32
12-30-2014, 06:19 AM

I understand it is not an eastheti thing and I want only you do this magnificent thing without much stress so for me it is ok everything you will decide, Andy.

Two other things:
1) about Red Wolf:
there is this:
Red Wolf (William Talltrees) CoC #2, Orig #9 head, Orig #9 1, Del #10 1, U89 #6 2, Mas #21 2, AvLog, ANew #9 3, CWBat App, Hardc #5 head, Hardc #9 2
Red Wolf (Johnny Wakeley) MWes 1, Hardc #9 1

but in the Original #9 and the Deluxe #10 profile is for both Wakeley and Talltress so, I think, it is better to write it this way:
Red Wolf (William Talltrees) CoC #2; Orig #9 head; Orig #9 1, Del #10 1 w/Wakeley; U89 #6 2, Mas #21 2, AvLog, ANew #9 3, CWBat App, Hardc #5 head, Hardc #9 2
Red Wolf (Johnny Wakeley) Orig #9 1, Del #10 1 w/Talltress; MWes 1; Hardc #9 1
do you agree?

2) I wish a happy 2015 to EVERYBODY!!!!

mal32
01-05-2015, 12:35 PM

Like the Red Wolf above also the Eel has the same problem, now there is this:
Eel (Edward Lavell) Orig #4, Del #4 1, Mas #2 2, ME5MK 1/3 w/Stryke; Del #7 head, ME4S App, Hardc #7 head, Hardc #12 head, MUUp 5 head
Eel (Leopold Stryke) Orig #4 App, Del #4 1, Mas #2 2, ME5MK 1/3 with Lavell; Del #7 head, Del #17 1, WolEn #1, ME4S App, ME6FF, MUUp 5 head, DefSH 2

but also in the Deluxe #4 Stryke and Lavel shared the entry so it should be this way:
Eel (Edward Lavell) Orig #4, Del #4 1 w/Stryke, Mas #2 2, ME5MK 1/3 w/Stryke; Del #7 head, ME4S App, Hardc #7 head, Hardc #12 head, MUUp 5 head
Eel (Leopold Stryke) Orig #4 App, Del #4 1 with Lavell, Mas #2 2, ME5MK 1/3 with Lavell; Del #7 head, Del #17 1, WolEn #1, ME4S App, ME6FF, MUUp 5 head, DefSH 2

mal32
01-05-2015, 01:10 PM

I don't want to annoy anyone but also Mister Fear has the same problem, not it is this:
Mister Fear (Lawrence Cranston) Mas #25 2, ME5MK 1 w/Drago, Machinesmith, Fagan; Hardc #7 2
Mister Fear (Zoltan Drago) Mas #25 2, ME5MK 1 w/Machinesmith, Cranston, Fagan; Hardc #8 ½
Mister Fear (Starr Saxon) see Machinesmith

but in the Original #7 and the Deluxe #8 the Entry of Mister Fear is not only for Fagan but also for the other three so I think it should be this way:

Mister Fear (Lawrence Cranston) Orig #7 ¾, Del #8 1, Mas #25 2, ME5MK 1 w/Drago, Machinesmith, Fagan; Hardc #7 2
Mister Fear (Zoltan Drago) Orig #7 ¾, Del #8 1, Mas #25 2, ME5MK 1 w/Machinesmith, Cranston, Fagan; Hardc #8 ½
Mister Fear (Starr Saxon) Orig #7 ¾, Del #8 1 w/Drago/Cranston/Fagan, see also Machinesmith

mal32
01-05-2015, 02:14 PM

Also
Foolkiller (Ross G. Everbest) Orig #5 App, Mas #27 2 w/Salinger, Orig #13 2/3, Del #17 1, Hardc #4 ½
Foolkiller (Greg Salinger) Orig #5 App, Mas #27 2 w/Everbest; Del #4 1, ME4S 1/3, ME5MK App, DefSH 2

should be, for me:
Foolkiller (Ross G. Everbest) Orig #5 App, Mas #27 2 w/Salinger, Orig #13 2/3, Del #4 1 w/Salinger, Del #17 1, Hardc #4 ½
Foolkiller (Greg Salinger) Orig #5 App, Mas #27 2 w/Everbest; Del #4 1 w/Everbest, ME4S 1/3, ME5MK App, DefSH 2

because before to give a full entry to Everbest in the Deluxe #17 Marvel shared the entry to Everbest and Salinger in Deluxe #4

mal32
01-05-2015, 04:24 PM

Black Talon (Samuel David Barone) Orig #2 App, Del #2 1, Mas #10 2 w/Drew, MysAr 2, Hardc #1 2 w/Drew & Boudreaux; AvLog, Hardc #6 head, HeroV 1/3, AZsc #1 1/6
Black Talon (Desmond Drew) Orig #2 App, Mas #10 w/Barone; MysAr 2, Hardc #1 2 w/Barone & Boudreaux

should be:
Black Talon (Samuel David Barone) Orig #2 App, Del #2 1/Drew, Mas #10 2 w/Drew, MysAr 2, Hardc #1 2 w/Drew & Boudreaux; AvLog, Hardc #6 head, HeroV 1/3, AZsc #1 1/6
Black Talon (Desmond Drew) Orig #2 App, Del #2 1/Barone, Mas #10 w/Barone; MysAr 2, Hardc #1 2 w/Barone & Boudreaux

because the entry in Deluxe #2 is both for Drew and Barone (unnamed at the time the entry was written)

mal32
01-05-2015, 04:47 PM

Crimson Dynamo (Dimitri Bukharin) CoC #1, Orig #3 1, Orig #10 head, Del #3 2, Del #12 head, ME6FF App as CD; Mas #5 2 w/Vanko, Turgenov, Nevsky, Petrovich, Shatalov as CD; Hardc #13 head as DB
Crimson Dynamo (Alex Nevsky/Yuri Petrovich/Valentin Shatalov) Mas #5 2 w/Vanko, Turgenov, Bukharin
Crimson Dynamo (Boris Turgenov) ML60 1+WNow, ML6090+WNow w/Vanko; Mas #5 2 w/Vanko, Petrovich, Bukharin, Shatalov
Crimson Dynamo (Anton Vanko) ML60 1+WNow, ML6090+WNow w/Turgenov as CD; Mas #5 2 w/Turgenov, Petrovich, Bukharin, Shatalov as CD; ANIr head, Hardc #11 head as AV

should be:
Crimson Dynamo (Dmitri Bukharin) [misspelled Dimitri Bukharin] CoC #1; Orig #10 head; Orig #3 1, Del #3 2 w/Vanko/Turgenov/Nevsky/Petrovich; Del #12 head; ME6FF App as CD; Mas #5 2 w/Vanko, Turgenov, Nevsky, Petrovich, Shatalov as CD; Hardc #13 head as DB
Crimson Dynamo (Alex Nevsky/Yuri Petrovich) Orig #3 1, Del #3 2 w/Vanko/Turgenov/Bukharin, Mas #5 2 w/Vanko, Turgenov, Bukharin
Crimson Dynamo (Valentin Shatalov) Mas #5 2 w/Vanko, Turgenov, Bukharin
Crimson Dynamo (Boris Turgenov) Orig #3 1, Del #3 2 w/Vanko/Nevsky/Petrovich/Bukharin; ML60 1+WNow, ML6090+WNow w/Vanko; Mas #5 2 w/Vanko, Petrovich, Bukharin, Shatalov
Crimson Dynamo (Anton Vanko) Orig #3 1, Del #3 2 w/Turgenov/Nevsky/Petrovich/Bukharin; ML60 1+WNow, ML6090+WNow w/Turgenov as CD; Mas #5 2 w/Turgenov, Petrovich, Bukharin, Shatalov as CD; ANIr head, Hardc #11 head as AV

because in Original #3 and the Deluxe #3 the entry is for all the five Crimson Dynamo: Vanko, Turgenov, Nevsky, Petrovich and Bukharin
and Dmitri Bukharin was misspelled Dimitri Bukharin (maybe Dimitri it is the American name of Dmitri)

mal32
01-05-2015, 04:58 PM

Phantom Rider (Carter Slade) Del #19 2, AvLog, ME5MK App; MWes 2 w/Jacobs and Lincoln
Phantom Rider (Hamilton Slade/Night Rider/Ghost Rider) CoC #2, Orig #8 1, Orig #9 head as NR; Del #5 2 as GR; Mas #22 2, AvLog, ANew #8 3, Hardc #5 head, Hardc #8 3, CWBat App as PR
Phantom Rider (Lincoln Slade) MWes 2 w/Jacobs & Carter; AvLog

should be, I think:
Phantom Rider (Carter Slade/Night Rider/Ghost Rider) Orig #8 1 as Night Rider, Del #5 2 as Ghost Rider w/Lincoln/Hamilton, Del #19 2, AvLog, ME5MK App; MWes 2 w/Jacobs and Lincoln
Phantom Rider (Hamilton Slade/Night Rider/Ghost Rider) CoC #2, Orig #8 1, Orig #9 head as NR; Del #5 2 as GR w/Carter/Lincoln; Mas #22 2, AvLog, ANew #8 3, Hardc #5 head, Hardc #8 3, CWBat App as PR
Phantom Rider (Lincoln Slade/Night Rider/Ghost Rider) Orig #8 1 as Night Rider, Del #5 2 as Ghost Rider w/Carter/Hamilton, MWes 2 w/Jacobs & Carter; AvLog

because in the Original # 8 and the Deluxe #5 the entry is for the three Slades: Carter, Lincoln and Hamilton

mal32
01-05-2015, 05:14 PM

Guardsman (Kevin O'Brien) Mas #15 w/Michael as Guardsman; ANIr head, Hardc #11 head as KOB; Iron3 1 as Guardsman
O'Brien, Michael (Guardsman) CoC #1, Orig #4 1, Del #5 3, Del #10 head, Iron3 head as Guardsman; Mas #15 2 w/Kevin as Guardsman; Aven #300 head, ANIr 1, Hardc #1 head, Hardc #8 1 as MOB

should be, for me:
Guardsman (Kevin O'Brien) Orig #4 1, Del #5 3, Mas #15 w/Michael; ANIr head, Hardc #11 head as KOB; Iron3 1 as Guardsman
O'Brien, Michael (Guardsman) CoC #1; Orig #4 1, Del #5 3, Mas #15 2 w/Kevin; Del #10 head, Iron3 head as Guardsman; Aven #300 head, ANIr 1, Hardc #1 head, Hardc #8 1 as MOB

because the Original #4 and the Deluxe #5 entries are for both the O'Brien brothers: Kevin and Michael

mal32
01-05-2015, 05:24 PM

Air-Walker Automaton Orig #4 head, Del #4 head
Gabriel the Air-Walker (Gabriel Lan/Air-Walker) Orig #4 head, Orig #13 1, Del #4 head, Del #16 2, Mas #9 2 as Air-Walker; ME6FF ½, ASSur #1 1, ANovC 1, Hardc #4 2, AZsc #4 caps as Gabriel the Air-Wallker

for me should be:
Air-Walker Automaton Orig #4 head, Del #4 head, Del #16 2 w/Gabriel the Air-Walker
Gabriel the Air-Walker (Gabriel Lan/Air-Walker) Orig #4 head, Orig #13 1, Del #4 head, Del #16 2 w/Air-Walker Automaton, Mas #9 2 as Air-Walker; ME6FF ½, ASSur #1 1, ANovC 1, Hardc #4 2, AZsc #4 caps as Gabriel the Air-Wallker

because the Deluxe #16 profile is for both the Real Gabriel Lan and the Automaton one

mal32
01-05-2015, 05:41 PM

in:
Hate-Monger (Josh Glenn possed by Hitler clone) AZsc #5 body
possed should be possessed

mal32
01-06-2015, 01:02 PM

about:
Wildboys U89 #8 1, ME5MK 1/3
is it possible to add the two names of them?
Wildboys (Jet & Spit) U89 #8 1, ME5MK 1/3

mal32
01-06-2015, 02:28 PM

about Nomad we have:
Nomad (Edward Ferbel) Hardc #8 ½
Nomad (Jack Munroe/Bucky) Orig #2 App as Bucky; Orig #8 1, Del #9 2, Del Tpb #9 5, Mas #6 2, WolEn #2, ME4S App, ME5MK App, GAge 1, Hardc #8 3, Hardc #10 head as Nomad

because in the Original # 8 and the Deluxe #9 the profile is for three Nomads, I think we could have this:
Nomad (Edward Ferbel) Orig #8 1, Del #9 2 w/Rogers/Munroe, Hardc #8 ½
Nomad (Jack Munroe/Bucky) Orig #2 App as Bucky; Orig #8 1, Del #9 2 w/Rogers/Ferbel, Del Tpb #9 5, Mas #6 2, WolEn #2, ME4S App, ME5MK App, GAge 1, Hardc #8 3, Hardc #10 head as Nomad

so I think we could add to Captain America (Rogers) this:
Captain America (Steven Rogers/Nomad) Orig #8 1, Del #9 2 w/Ferbel/Munroe as Nomad

mal32
01-06-2015, 02:32 PM

about Ringmaster we have:
Ringmaster (Maynard Tiboldt) RHlk4 1, Orig #9 1, Del #11 3, Mas #13 2, AvLog, ME5MK App, Hardc #2 body
Ringmaster of Death (Fritz Tiboldt) Hardc #2 head

because in the Original #9 and the Deluxe #13 the profile is for both father and son, I think we could have this:
Ringmaster (Maynard Tiboldt) Orig #9 1, Del #11 3 w/Fritz; Mas #13 2; AvLog; ME5MK App; RHlk4 1; Hardc #2 body
Ringmaster of Death (Fritz Tiboldt) Orig #9 1, Del #11 3 w/Tiboldt, Hardc #2 head

mal32
01-06-2015, 03:08 PM

Lava Men Del #7 1, Mas #16 2, AvLog, ME4S App, ME6FF App, AvAs 2, HeroV 1/3
Moloids ME6FF App
Subterraneans Orig #11 1, Del #12 2, AvLogTyrannoids ME6FF App

because the Subterraneans profile in the Original # 11, in the Deluxe #12 and in the Avengers Log is always for all the four races: Gortokians, Lava Men, Moloids and Tyrannoids, I think we could have this:
Gortokians Del #12 2, AvLog w/ Lava Men/Moloids/Tyrannoids
Lava Men Del #7 1, Mas #16 2, AvLog, ME4S App, ME6FF App, AvAs 2, HeroV 1/3; Orig #11 1, Del #12 2, AvLog w/ Gortokians/Moloids/Tyrannoids,
Moloids ME6FF App; Orig #11 1, Del #12 2, AvLog w/ Gortokians/Lava Men/Tyrannoids
Subterraneans (Gortokians, Lava Men, Moloids and Tyrannoids) Orig #11 1, Del #12 2, AvLog
Tyrannoids ME6FF App; Orig #11 1, Del #12 2, AvLog w/ Gortokians/Lava Men/Moloids

Andy E. Nystrom
01-07-2015, 07:24 PM

Thank you for all those suggestions, Angelo. I'll pull out my Essential copies over the weekend and go through them.

A general rule I go by though: unless a character is subsequently revealed to be two characters (e.g. Marvel Girl/Phoenix Force or Marvel Boy/Crusader), I let the Vital Statistics section (Real Name, Occupation et al) be my guide. If the Vital Statistics section only gives stats for one character or only references other versions under First Appearance, I treat the entry as only being for that version of the character, albeit with supplementary info on other versions. I do however count other versions if they appear under Real Name, Occupation, etc. So when I look at the above, that will be the deciding factor in terms of splitting an entry on the Master List.

mal32
01-08-2015, 02:03 AM

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Thank you for all those suggestions, Angelo. I'll pull out my Essential copies over the weekend and go through them.

A general rule I go by though: unless a character is subsequently revealed to be two characters (e.g. Marvel Girl/Phoenix Force or Marvel Boy/Crusader), I let the Vital Statistics section (Real Name, Occupation et al) be my guide. If the Vital Statistics section only gives stats for one character or only references other versions under First Appearance, I treat the entry as only being for that version of the character, albeit with supplementary info on other versions. I do however count other versions if they appear under Real Name, Occupation, etc. So when I look at the above, that will be the deciding factor in terms of splitting an entry on the Master List.

I agree with you, Andy, I controlled and I believe that every suggestion I made is about profiles talking of every version in the History sections, not only in the First Appearance sections.

P.S. I will edit a few of the above suggestions of mine, so, please, in the weekend take the final edited version of them, thanks

Andy E. Nystrom
01-08-2015, 06:00 PM

mal32 wrote:
P.S. I will edit a few of the above suggestions of mine, so, please, in the weekend take the final edited version of them, thanks

Okay I won't touch them before Saturday to ensure you have time to do any edits you wish to do.

mal32
01-09-2015, 08:04 PM

In the Valkyrie's profile in the Original #12 and Deluxe #14 the entry talks abou her three versions (Enchantress, Parrington and Brunnhilde), so I think instead of:

Valkyrie (Brunnhilde) Orig #2 App, Hardc #14 caps, XEarM head as Brunnhilde; CoC #2, Orig #3 head, Orig #12 1, Del #14 3, U89 #2 head, EncM ½, Hardc #3 head, Hardc #12 3, HeroH 1/3, Wom7D 3, ARCal head x2, AZsc #1 head, AvNow App as Valkyrie
Valkyrie (Samantha Parrington) Wom05 1, Hardc #3 head, Hardc #12 2, Wom7D 2 as Valkyrie; XEarM head as Parrington

we could have:
Valkyrie (Brunnhilde) Orig #2 App; Hardc #14 caps; XEarM head as Brunnhilde; CoC #2; Orig #3 head; Orig #12 1, Del #14 3 w/Enchantress/Parrington, U89 #2 head, EncM ½, Hardc #3 head, Hardc #12 3, HeroH 1/3, Wom7D 3, ARCal head x2, AZsc #1 head, AvNow App as Valkyrie
Valkyrie (Samantha Parrington) Orig #12 1, Del #14 3 w/Enchantress/Brunnhilde; Wom05 1; Hardc #3 head; Hardc #12 2; Wom7D 2 as Valkyrie; XEarM head as Parrington

and to Enchantress (Amora)
I would add:
Orig #12 1, Del #14 3 w/Enchantress/Brunnhilde as Valkyrie

mal32
01-09-2015, 08:11 PM

We have:
Vulture (Raniero Drago) ME4S 1/3, ML60 ½+WNow, Hardc #13 ½
Vulture (Clifton Shallot) ME4S App, BiBlk ½, Hardc #13 ½
Vulture (Adrian Toomes) Orig #12 1, Del #14 2, Mas #5 2, SpMJac 1, SpMUnm 1, ME1 1, ME4S 2, SpM04 2, Hardc #10 head, Hardc #13 3

but in the Original # 12 and in the Deluxe # 14 the profile talks about the three above so maybe we could have this:
Vulture (Raniero Drago) Orig #12 1, Del #14 2 w/Toomes/Shallot; ME4S 1/3, ML60 ½+WNow, Hardc #13 ½
Vulture (Clifton Shallot) Orig #12 1, Del #14 2 w/Toomes/Drago; ME4S App; BiBlk ½; Hardc #13 ½
Vulture (Adrian Toomes) Orig #12 1, Del #14 2 w/Drago/Shallot; Mas #5 2; SpMJac 1; SpMUnm 1; ME1 1; ME4S 2; SpM04 2; Hardc #10 head; Hardc #13 3

mal32
01-09-2015, 08:17 PM

About the two Iron Men, the Original #5 in the History talks more about Stark then Rhodes, so we could add this:
Iron Man (Anthony Edward “Tony” Stark/Cobalt Man) Orig #5 1 w/Rhodes
Iron Patriot (James Rupert Rhodes/Iron Man/War Machine) Orig #5 1 w/Stark

mal32
01-09-2015, 09:13 PM

About:
Scarlet Scarab (Mehemet Faoul) CoC #3, Orig #9 1

the profile on the Original #9 talks about both versions by father and son: Abdul and Mehemet Faoul, so I think it woulb be better:
Scarlet Scarab (Abdul Faoul) Orig #9 1 w/Mehemet
Scarlet Scarab (Mehemet Faoul) CoC #3; Orig #9 1 w/Abdul

mal32
01-09-2015, 09:20 PM

About Union Jack, we have:
Union Jack (Joseph Chapman) CoC #2, Orig #11 1, Mas #32 2, ANew #12 2, Hardc #6 body, Hardc #12 3, HeroH 1/3, MUUp #3 head
Union Jack (Brian Falsworth/Destroyer) Orig #3 App as Destroyer; Orig #13 head, GAge 1, ANew #12 head, Hardc #12 2, Hardc #12 head as Union Jack; Del #20 3, Mas #30 2 w/Montgomery as Union Jack;
Union Jack (James Montgomery Falsworth) CoC #3, Del #20 3, Mas #30 2 w/Brian; Orig #13 head, BDead 1, Hardc #12 2

but the Original #11's profile is for all the three above, so maybe it is better:
Union Jack (Joseph Chapman) CoC #2; Orig #11 1 w/both Falsworths; Mas #32 2; ANew #12 2; Hardc #6 body; Hardc #12 3; HeroH 1/3; MUUp #3 head
Union Jack (Brian Falsworth/Destroyer) Orig #3 App as Destroyer; Orig #13 head, GAge 1, ANew #12 head, Hardc #12 2, Hardc #12 head as Union Jack; Del #20 3, Mas #30 2 w/Montgomery as Union Jack; Orig #11 1 w/Montgomery/Chapman as UJ
Union Jack (James Montgomery Falsworth) CoC #3; Del #20 3, Mas #30 2 w/Brian; Orig #13 head; BDead 1; Hardc #12 2; Orig #11 1 w/Brian/Chapman

mal32
01-09-2015, 09:28 PM

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Okay I won't touch them before Saturday to ensure you have time to do any edits you wish to do.

I finished adding new suggestions and editing the mistakes, thank you for your patience

mal32
01-11-2015, 11:10 AM

mal32 wrote:
I understand it is not an eastheti thing and I want only you do this magnificent thing without much stress so for me it is ok everything you will decide, Andy.

Two other things:
1) about Red Wolf:
there is this:
Red Wolf (William Talltrees) CoC #2, Orig #9 head, Orig #9 1, Del #10 1, U89 #6 2, Mas #21 2, AvLog, ANew #9 3, CWBat App, Hardc #5 head, Hardc #9 2
Red Wolf (Johnny Wakeley) MWes 1, Hardc #9 1

but in the Original #9 and the Deluxe #10 profile is for both Wakeley and Talltress so, I think, it is better to write it this way:
Red Wolf (William Talltrees) CoC #2; Orig #9 head; Orig #9 1, Del #10 1 w/Wakeley; U89 #6 2, Mas #21 2, AvLog, ANew #9 3, CWBat App, Hardc #5 head, Hardc #9 2
Red Wolf (Johnny Wakeley) Orig #9 1, Del #10 1 w/Talltress; MWes 1; Hardc #9 1
do you agree?

2) I wish a happy 2015 to EVERYBODY!!!!

Last correction of the things I wrote above:
Also the Red Wolf's profile on the Update #6, like the Original #9 and the Deluxe #10, is for both Wakeley and Talltress, so it is better, for me, to have this:

Red Wolf (William Talltrees) CoC #2; Orig #9 head; Orig #9 1, Del #10 1, U89 #6 2 w/Wakeley; Mas #21 2, AvLog, ANew #9 3, CWBat App, Hardc #5 head, Hardc #9 2
Red Wolf (Johnny Wakeley) Orig #9 1, Del #10 1, U89 #6 2 w/Talltress; MWes 1; Hardc #9 1

mal32
01-11-2015, 11:23 AM

Last 2 things, for now:

1) about SHIELD (Supreme Headquarters International Espionage Law-Enforcement Division/Strategic Hazard Intervention Espionage Logistics Directorate) Orig #10 1, Del #11 3, U89 #7 1, ML60 1, CivF 1, ANew #10 5, CWBat ½, Hardc #10 5; ME4S App as SHIELD Agents

maybe it is better to add this to the Update '89 notation:
U89 #7 1 as SHIELD II

2) about:
Saturnyne (Opal Luna Saturnyne/Earth-9) U89 #6 1, Mas #15 2, ANew #9 1, Hardc #10 2 as Saturnyne; ME6FF App as OLS
Sat-Yr9 (Opal Lun Sat-Yr-Nin/Earth-794) ANew #9 1, Hardc #10 1
Ross, Courtney Hardc #5 bodyg

the Update '89 profile named Saturnyne talks about all of the tree above, is it not better to have this?
Saturnyne (Opal Luna Saturnyne/Earth-9) U89 #6 1 w/Courney Ross/Sat-Yr9, Mas #15 2, ANew #9 1, Hardc #10 2 as Saturnyne; ME6FF App as OLS
Sat-Yr9 (Opal Lun Sat-Yr-Nin/Earth-794) U89 #6 1 w/Saturnyne/Sat-Yr9, ANew #9 1, Hardc #10 1
Ross, Courtney U89 #6 1 w/Saturnyne/Sat-Yr9, Hardc #5 bodyg

Andy E. Nystrom
01-11-2015, 02:42 PM

Looking at Angelo’s suggestions (as noted before, to count as a separate entry, stats for another incarnation have to appear in the “Vital Statistics” section other than First Appearance, even if other versions are discussed in the History):

Red Wolf, Mister Fear, Foolkiller, Black Talon, Ghost Rider (Slade), Guardsman, Air-Walker, Nomad, Ringmaster, Valkyrie, Vulture, Iron Man, Scarlet Scarab, Union Jack, Saturnyne:
All are examples of the First Appearance/History exemption (I do realize how problematic the Iron Man case is but we have to draw the line somewhere).
Verdict: Leave as is.

Eel:
There appears here to be confusion between comma and semi-colon. All listings before the first semi-colon are shared entries, so the shared entries in Deluxe #4 are already factored in.
Verdict: Leave as is.

Crimson Dynamo:
There are two issues here, the shared entries aspect and the spelling of Bukharin’s first name. The first is another example of the First Appearance/History exemption. In the second case, as far as I can tell, his first name really is Dimitri, even though that’s wrong from a real world perspective. One possible explanation: maybe some celebrity/pop culture character in Russia-616 had an altered spelling to seem cool, and Dimitri’s parents were fans and decided to use that spelling. Regardless of why though, it’s Dimitri. As with Sunspot, we’re stuck with a weird looking real name until and when it’s retconned.
Verdict: Leave as is.

Hate-Monger
This is definitely an error
Verdict: Fixed. Change will appear when I do the next upload.

Wildboys
Hmm, I don’t always list members for groups but since there are only two, why not?
Verdict: Added. Change will appear when I do the next upload.

Subterraneans
This entry is largely a broad overview and is not easily divided into individual types of Subterraneans. I see this as analogous to Europe and individual countries having separate entries.
Verdict: Leave as is.

SHIELD
This one’s a bit tricky because subsequently the SHIELD II history is generally folded into SHIELD. Having said that this entry is clearly just the post-Nick Fury vs SHIELD team
Verdict: I’ll fine tune the SHIELD listing to note this. Change will appear when I do the next upload.

I'll announce here when the upload happens. Other editing in progress.

mal32
01-13-2015, 04:51 PM

Dear Andy, I am sorry if you lost your time because of me to control everything but I really was sure my suggestions could be useful... I hope you can forgive me...
however I accept, respect and understand your decisions.

May I only try to ask you to think about two of my suggestions, please?

1) about the Subterraneans, I really think it would be better to to count the four races as separate entries because the profiles don't have “Vital Statistics” sections, they have only the First Appearances where they are separated, like in the Hate-Monger's profile where you counted the "Adolf Hitler clone" and "H.M. Unger/Psycho-Man construct" as separated.
And in the Subterranens Deluxe profile the four races are well divided in the history and the Moloids and the Tyrannoids have two good illustrations, too.

2) about Red Wolf, in the list we have now Red Wolf (William Talltrees) listed in two profiles (Deluxe #10 and Update '89 #6) and nothing for Red Wolf (Johnny Wakeley) but in the Updated he is called "Red Wolf II", why? I am sure Marvel wanted to make clear that in the Update '89 they wanted to talk more about Talltress and that the profile on Deluxe #10 was more for both of them, if not why call him "Red Wolf II" if the first profile was for Talltress too?

I insist not because I want to annoy but only because I really think that Johnny Wakeley, the Moloids, the Tyrannoids, the Lava Men and the Gortokians deserve it, thank you for your patience

(sorry for my English but I am Italian, remember it, please...)

Andy E. Nystrom
01-14-2015, 12:37 PM

Hi Angelo First off, no problem about making some suggestions. I'd rather check somethihng out and determine that it didn't need changing than to have some errors remain because people were afraid to point them out. Second off, I have no idea why meta-tags are showing up.

1 a. I neglected to mention before but probably should have, but when looking at the Subterrraneans entry I did skim through the initial paragraphs and it appearedd to be talking about Subterreans as a whole. From that I determined that it was the author's intent that this was a broad look at the Subterreans, albeit with some paragraphs going into detail on specific races once the broad strokes were out of the way.

1 b. The Hate-Monger entry that you mention is in the Deluxe Book of the Dead. You are correct in notingn that there are no Vital Statistics other than First Appearance. That having been said, the entry is titled Hate-Monger I, III and as per the conventions of that series of Handbooks depicts the deaths of the Hitler and Unger versions (II being the still-alive Man-Beast). I think it's pretty clear that the author's intent was that this was a shared Hitler/Unger entry.

2. What I believe happened here was the original and Deluxe Handbooks used the roman numerals fairly infrequently, mostly just the Appendices and Books of the Dead except in cases where it was unavoidable such as Deluxe's Iron Man I and II, where both versions were activer at the same time. However, with Update '89 Roman numerals started to appear a biot more often, perhaps because Mark Gruenwald was taking a lesser role and others wanted to use the Roman numerals more often, perhaps because of the perceived greater need for them as multiple versions of characters started to appear more often either due to succesors of characters who had entries in the past (Blizzard) or earlier versions of characters returning (Human Torch). So Talltrees was Red Wolf in Original and Deluxe, but Red Wolf II in Update '89 and how that Roman numerals are mostly abandoned these days, is now Red Wolf (Talltrees). Again, looking at Vital Statistics, the author's intent is clear that it was a Talltrees entry. Agreedn that Wakeley could have been fleshed out more into his own entry, but it was a different time and Gruenwald other than in the Books of the Dead seemed pretty focussed on characters active in the present day. Happily the Handcovers gave all the Red Wolf incarnations their due at last.

mal32
01-14-2015, 12:55 PM

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
... 1 a. I neglected to mention before but probably should have, but when looking at the Subterrraneans entry I did skim through the initial paragraphs and it appearedd to be talking about Subterreans as a whole. From that I determined that it was the author's intent that this was a broad look at the Subterreans, albeit with some paragraphs going into detail on specific races once the broad strokes were out of the way.

I am not sure I understand, does this mean that you agree with me about the Subterraneans suggestions?

Andy E. Nystrom
01-14-2015, 05:46 PM

mal32 wrote:
I am not sure I understand, does this mean that you agree with me about the Subterraneans suggestions?

No I meant that that the initial paragraphs seemed to be taking a look at the Subterraneans as a whole. I see this as a clear case of the author trying to provide a broad general history of the Subterraneans and not a history of the races separately. So, sorry, I don't see anything that could be split off here without going against the original author's intent. Had the entry provided the Deluxe Edition style quarter pagers with stats (see for example Circus of Crime, Squadron Supreme, or, more directly analogous, Savage Land Races from the Book of the Dead) it would be a different matter. But from an objective point of view it's an entry on the Subterraneans as a whole.

Subjectively, however I agree that they need more individual coverage. The Moloids and Tyrannoids have only been covered in the Fantastic Four encyclopedia and the Gortokians have never been covered at all. The Lava Men are the teacher's pet.

Last edited by Andy E. Nystrom (1/07/2020 11:13 am)

Andy E. Nystrom · 1/07/2020 11:24 am

Remaining historical text from CxPulp:

mal32
01-27-2015, 12:19 PM

Dear Andy, I understand your reasons and I don't want to make you nervous but I ask you to admit the four following exceptions to the rule:

1) about the Subterraneans (Gortokians / Lava Men / Moloids / Tyrannoids)

2) about:
Iron Man (Anthony Edward “Tony” Stark/Cobalt Man) Orig #5 1 w/Rhodes
Iron Patriot (James Rupert Rhodes/Iron Man/War Machine) Orig #5 1 w/Stark

3) about Saturnyne (Opal Luna Saturnyne/Earth-9) / Sat-Yr9 (Opal Lun Sat-Yr-Nin/Earth-794) / Ross, Courtney

4) and also about a new one:
Giants of Jotunheim U89 #3 2
that I think it should be this:
Giants of Jotunheim (Storm Giants, Ice Giants, Rime Giants, Frost Giants) U89 #3 2
Frost Giants see Giants of Jotunheim
Ice Giants see Giants of Jotunheim
Rime Giants see Giants of Jotunheim
Storm Giants see Giants of Jotunheim

I ask it for the following reasons:
1) I love the Subterraneans and I really think they deserve it
2) the profile of Iron Man on the Original #5 is 99% about Tony Stark
3) the profile of Saturnyne on the Update #6 shows three full illustrations of Saturnine, of Courtney Ross and of Sat-Yr9, and they are the same person from three different dimensions, so the vital statistics could not be different because they are identical
4) the Giants of Asgard are very nice

I repeat I don't want to annoy you and this is the last time I ask it to you but I do it only because I love the O.H.o.t.M.U. and I love your list here and we are not robots and we can decide exceptions to make us more happy... if possible...
thank you all for the patience with me, guys

Andy E. Nystrom
01-29-2015, 04:09 PM

mal32 wrote:
Dear Andy, I understand your reasons and I don't want to make you nervous but I ask you to admit the four following exceptions to the rule:

1) about the Subterraneans (Gortokians / Lava Men / Moloids / Tyrannoids)

2) about:
Iron Man (Anthony Edward “Tony” Stark/Cobalt Man) Orig #5 1 w/Rhodes
Iron Patriot (James Rupert Rhodes/Iron Man/War Machine) Orig #5 1 w/Stark

3) about Saturnyne (Opal Luna Saturnyne/Earth-9) / Sat-Yr9 (Opal Lun Sat-Yr-Nin/Earth-794) / Ross, Courtney

4) and also about a new one:
Giants of Jotunheim U89 #3 2
that I think it should be this:
Giants of Jotunheim (Storm Giants, Ice Giants, Rime Giants, Frost Giants) U89 #3 2
Frost Giants see Giants of Jotunheim
Ice Giants see Giants of Jotunheim
Rime Giants see Giants of Jotunheim
Storm Giants see Giants of Jotunheim

I ask it for the following reasons:
1) I love the Subterraneans and I really think they deserve it
2) the profile of Iron Man on the Original #5 is 99% about Tony Stark
3) the profile of Saturnyne on the Update #6 shows three full illustrations of Saturnine, of Courtney Ross and of Sat-Yr9, and they are the same person from three different dimensions, so the vital statistics could not be different because they are identical
4) the Giants of Asgard are very nice

I repeat I don't want to annoy you and this is the last time I ask it to you but I do it only because I love the O.H.o.t.M.U. and I love your list here and we are not robots and we can decide exceptions to make us more happy... if possible...
thank you all for the patience with me, guys

I think one difference here is you're taking a subjective approach whereas I'm taking an objective approach so as to ensure consistency. If I allow exceptions in such borderline cases. then we could quick get mired in minutiae in terms of what constitutes an entry/sub-entry. If we could go back in time I might agree to try to convince Gru to rework some of the older entries but we can't change the past. So:

1-3 (as well as any similar cases discussed in the past few weeks). No. Final answer. Maybe my successor will feel otherwise but I have no plans to step down at this time so you're stuck with my answer for the foreseeable future. That said, if you noticed any shared entries not already in the list that do meet my objective criteria, do pass them along.

4. The list only uses cross-references if a character/item etc has an entry/sub-entry under the alternative name. Prior to headshots being added there wasn't even a cross-reference for Ant-Man (Henry Pym) if memory serves. Should the Rime Giants etc get their own entry, even if it's just an appendix, we can revisit at that time.

mal32
01-30-2015, 03:09 AM

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
... If we could go back in time I might agree to try to convince Gru to rework some of the older entries...

[If Mark was still alive , the world would be better and Marvel would be more Marvelous... I really miss him and his stories and his articles and he made me fall in love with the Handbooks (I always loved the idea of Profiles about the Marvel characters and Mark pushed me beyond!!!)]

Ok, I am sad but I accept your Final Answers, thank you very much

mal32
03-30-2015, 03:57 AM

About Sise-Neg:
we have:
Sise-Neg Orig #11 App
but it should be:
Sise-Neg Orig #11 App, Mas #2 2

zuckyd1
04-08-2015, 10:00 PM

Chemistro (Calvin Carr) … Hardc #2 1
High-Tech (Curtis Carr/Chemistro) … Hardc #2 1 as Chemistro
There is only one Chemistro entry in that volume, which is Calvin.

zuckyd1
04-12-2015, 06:13 PM

"Ant-Man (Henry Pym) see Giant-Man"
should say "see Henry Pym"

zuckyd1
04-23-2015, 04:17 PM

I just noticed that X-Men: Future History—The Messiah War Sourcebook is not listed. Would that be considered a files book or is the pin-up/poster thread a more appropriate place for it?

zuckyd1
05-27-2015, 04:57 PM
Wolverine Imposter (Skull)

should be "Wolverine Imposter (Skrull)"

mal32
07-09-2015, 01:45 AM
mal32 wrote:
About Sise-Neg:
we have:
Sise-Neg Orig #11 App
but it should be:
Sise-Neg Orig #11 App, Mas #2 2

Dear Andy, I am sorry to disturb you, but may I ask you if you think to add this Sise-Neg's appearence, please? Thank you for everything!!!

Andy E. Nystrom
07-09-2015, 12:19 PM

mal32 wrote:
Dear Andy, I am sorry to disturb you, but may I ask you if you think to add this Sise-Neg's appearence, please? Thank you for everything!!!

I haven't forgotten, just fallen a bit behind. I'll try to update this thread and the Sightings thread by Saturday at the latest.

Andy E. Nystrom
07-09-2015, 11:36 PM
zuckyd1 wrote:
I just noticed that X-Men: Future History—The Messiah War Sourcebook is not listed. Would that be considered a files book or is the pin-up/poster thread a more appropriate place for it?

Sorry, not familiar with that one. I did an image search but only unearthed the cover.

Andy E. Nystrom
07-10-2015, 12:22 AM

Updated to the present, with both new additions and errors pointed out fixed (thank you for pointing out). The Sightings updates are almost finished as well and should be ready by tomorrow. One title in the key isn't actually an abbreviation but is included to be consistent.

mal32
07-10-2015, 06:23 AM

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Sorry, not familiar with that one. I did an image search but only unearthed the cover.

In X-Men: Future History - The Messiah War Sourcebook (2009)
there are profiles written by Cable called "The Cable Files" about:

Cable (Nathan Christopher Charles Summer) a.k.a. Nathan Dayspring Askani's Son [1 page]

Cyclops (Scott Summers) [1/3 page]
the Goblin Queen (Madelyne Pryor) [1/3 page]
Mister Sinister (Nathaniel Essex) [1/3 page]

Techno-Organic Virus [1/3 page]
Mother Askani (Rachel Summers) a.k.a. Phoneix, Marvel Girl [1/3 page]
Slym and Redd Dayspring a.k.a. Scott Summers and Jean Grey, Cyclops and Phoenix [1/3 page]

Madame Sanctity a.k.a. Tanya Trask [1/3 page]
Blaquesmith [1/3 page]
Professor a.k.a. Ship, Prosh [1/3 page]

Jenskot (Aliya) [1/3 page]
the Clan Chosen [1/3 page]
the Six Pack a.k.a. the Wild Pack [1/3 page]

X-Force a.k.a. the New Mutants [1/2 page]
Cannonball (Samuel Guthrie) [1/2 page]

Nate Grey (X-Man Nathan Grey) [1/3 page]
Irene Merryweather [1/3 page]
Askani Cult [1/3 page]

Externals [1/3 page]
Department K & Weapon P.R.I.M.E. [1/3 page]
Skornn [1/3 page]

Deadpool (Wade Wilson) [1/2 page]
X-Men [1/2 page]

Domino (NeenaThurman) [1/3 page]
Providence [1/3 page]
Rumekistan [1/3 page]

New Liberty [1/3 page]
Hope Summers (Earth-80521) [1/3 page]
Hope (Earth-616's first mutant born since M-Day) [1/3 page]

X-Force [first page of two]

- Wolverine [1/2 page]
- X-23 [1/2 page]

- Archangel [1/2 page]
- Warpath [1/2 page]

- Domino [1/2 page]
- Vanisher [1/2 page]

- Elixir [1/2 page]
- Wolfsbane (Rhane) [1/2 page]

X-Force [second page of two]

Lucas Bishop [2 pages]

Shard Bishop [1/3 page]
the Witness (LeBeau) [1/3 page]
Summers Rebellion [1/3 page]

Xavier Security Enforcers [1/3 page]
Omega Squad: Malcolm & Randall [1/3 page]
Chronomancer (Trevor Fitzroy) [1/3 page]

Onslaught [1/3 page]
Xavier's Underground Enforcers [1/3 page]
Age of Apocalypse [1/3 page]

"M-Faces" [1/3 page]
"X-Treme" X-Men [1/3 page]
Destiny's Diaries [1/3 page]

X-Treme Sanctions Executive (X.S.E.) [1/3 page]
Office on National Emergency [1/3 page]
Superhuman Registraction Act [1/3 page]

Cable's Arsenal [7 pages]

Apocalypse (En Sabah Nur) [1 page]

Stryfe [1 page]

Dark Riders [1/3 page]
Ozymandias [1/3 page]
Mutant Liberation Front [1/3 page]

Zero a.k.a. Adam (Algorithmic wavelenght Dampening Ambient-energy absorbing Modular) Unit #0 [1/3 page]
Legacy Virus [1/3 page]
Genesis (Tyler Dayspring) a.k.a Mr. Tolliver (Tyler Dayspring; Mr. Tolliver; Genesis) [1/3 page]

Horsemen of Apocalypse [1/3 page]
the Twelve [1/2 page]

Apocalypse Vs. Stryfe [2 pages]

Andy E. Nystrom
07-10-2015, 10:28 AM

Okay. Future History added. I may have accidentally split versions of the same character variant or merged two variants of the same basic character in error. In fact adding these reminded my why I don't revisit X-Men comics as much as other stuff I've bailed from. If such errors did occur let me know and will fix.

I may at some point have to merge posts on the first page together and put them on the second page. The second of the three parts of the actual list took about ten minutes to save (CX Pulp simply can't handle posts the size of the Master List the way Comixfan could) so in the near future I might need to split the list up some more.

mal32
07-14-2015, 08:45 AM

Hi Guys!
I need a favor: in Star-Lord: Annihilation - Conquest
we have:
1) Deathcry 2 pages
2) Groot 2 pages
3) Mantis 3 pages
4) Phalanx 2 pages
is there somebody who can, kindly, scan only the pages above, with the four profiles for me, please?
I have bought the book but I am in Italy and I had problems to receive it, I will buy another copy but now I need to read them.
Thank you in advance.
Angelo

mal32
07-15-2015, 09:17 PM

mal32 wrote:
Hi Guys!
I need a favor: in Star-Lord: Annihilation - Conquest
we have:
1) Deathcry 2 pages
2) Groot 2 pages
3) Mantis 3 pages
4) Phalanx 2 pages
is there somebody who can, kindly, scan only the pages above, with the four profiles for me, please?
I have bought the book but I am in Italy and I had problems to receive it, I will buy another copy but now I need to read them.
Thank you in advance.
Angelo

Please Guys.. next Saturday will be my birthday... help me... please... thank you

mal32
07-20-2015, 04:33 AM

mal32 wrote:
Please Guys.. next Saturday will be my birthday... help me... please... thank you

Thank You zuckyd1!!!

RVcousin
07-29-2015, 05:02 PM

For an unknown (but probably good) reason, the Marvel.com's Cerebro Files are present in this list, but can someone control the entries list, because Wolverine's missing and I'm pretty sure that he was in it.
Does anybody had a way to control it ?

Andy E. Nystrom
07-30-2015, 11:35 PM

RVcousin wrote:
For an unknown (but probably good) reason, the Marvel.com's Cerebro Files are present in this list, but can someone control the entries list, because Wolverine's missing and I'm pretty sure that he was in it.
Does anybody had a way to control it ?

If you mean can I update the Master List, I can and will add next time I do a batch update. As for the "why", the previous Master List writer, Eric Moreels put the entries in before it was decided that putting in official webpages was a bad idea given the tendency for pages to disappear eventually, so they got grandfathered in (keep in mind they were probably put in around 2004, and while pages disappearing from the Internet was not unknown then it's a lot more common now).

RVcousin

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
If you mean can I update the Master List, I can and will add next time I do a batch update. As for the "why", the previous Master List writer, Eric Moreels put the entries in before it was decided that putting in official webpages was a bad idea given the tendency for pages to disappear eventually, so they got grandfathered in (keep in mind they were probably put in around 2004, and while pages disappearing from the Internet was not unknown then it's a lot more common now).

OK thanks, Andy for your reply, but since Wolverine was missing, how can we control that no other entries are missing ?

Andy E. Nystrom
08-01-2015, 11:25 PM

RVcousin wrote:
OK thanks, Andy for your reply, but since Wolverine was missing, how can we control that no other entries are missing ?

With the pages being long gone from the Internet, we probably can't unfortunately.

mal32
08-02-2015, 08:39 AM

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
With the pages being long gone from the Internet, we probably can't unfortunately.

Nobody, here, saved the pages of the CEREBRO FILES at the time when they were avalaible?

I try to save all the profiles of:
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/
http://www.marvunapp.com/master/mastguid.htm
from
http://www.marvunapp.com/

because they make very good profiles, often missing from the O.H.oftheM.U. paper editions, and I could not accept to lose them...
(I try also to save the good profiles they make for Marvel Wikia)

Andy E. Nystrom
08-02-2015, 01:13 PM

mal32 wrote:
Nobody, here, saved the pages of the CEREBRO FILES at the time when they were avalaible?

I don't think they were around very long. I started posting to the Who Watches the Watchers boards around 2006 and I think they were already gone by then (I could be wrong about this; at first I assumed they were a Files type published book that I needed to seek out). I'm not too worried about missing profiles from them: we don't include online profiles anymore and if they're not online now they can't be hunted down anyway the way hard copies can be.

On another note, since it came up earlier in this thread while I was on vacation and I've seen it come up since then, fair use rules are a bit tricky with Handbooks. Two pages might not be an issue with a regular story because it's a small percentage of the tale but an entire entry might not fall under fair use as it's considered complete. Also "fair use" usually applies to educational/review type matters. So what I'm trying to say is, if you want scans of entries, be sure to fly under the radar of the Mouse who owns Marvel. Be discrete or at least give a clear educational reason why you need those specific profiles. If you want to PM people about scans, that's between you and them. I won't personally accept requests for scans by PM but if you want me to look up a specific bit of information in a profile for you I can do that as there's no legal grey area there. If and when I learn more about how copyright laws apply specifically to Handbook entries I'll make a formal statement at that point. But since it's a bit grey I say let sleeping dogs lie there. Just be discrete unless you're certain you're on solid legal ground. I don't want this to suffer the fate of other sites that have closed due to copyright infringement.

mal32
08-02-2015, 02:48 PM

OK, Andy. No problems here

mal32
08-18-2015, 11:15 AM

Dear Andy, wWe have:
Pym, Henry (Henry Jonathan Pym/Ant-Man/Goliath/Yellowjacket/Wasp) Orig #1 head, Del #1 headeach as Ant-Man, Giant-Man, Goliath, Yellowjacket

Can we separate headeach (that seems "headache" to me) in head each, please?

P.S. I don't remember if we can add also the surnames, I mean: is it possible to have Hank added having: Pym, Henry (Henry "Hank" Jonathan Pym/Ant-Man/Goliath/Yellowjacket/Wasp) ?

Andy E. Nystrom
08-18-2015, 09:11 PM

I'll correct that when I do the next update.

In terms of nicknames, which I believe is what you meant, I've only been putting in nicknames when there's an entry under that name or when the given name has never been confirmed. If we eventually get on a faster server I'll continue adding them in. However, and this is the reason I've been splitting the posts, as the list increases in size it's become. A. Lot. Slower. To. Save. I've made some concessions with abbreviations because of strong demand and adding in alter egos as that reduces a lot of confusion (and I've spotted entries that needed merging as a result), but clicking Edit, pasting a single portion over the portion it's replacing, click Save, and waiting for that section to reappear as freshly saved can take five or ten minutes; if memory serves it's even timed out a few times. I could start a new thread and split it into ten sections but sooner or later it would grow until it became a problem again.

So unfortunately, nicknames are so minor I'm leaving them out until a viable solution to the resource issue emerges. In fact if anyone has any suggestions for reducing the memory needed for each section, that's what's really needed at the moment.

mal32
08-19-2015, 02:01 AM

Thank you for your kind reply, Andy (Sorry but I don't know how to reduce the needed memory but I will ask to a friend of mine)

mal32
09-07-2015, 03:41 AM

We have:
Madame Masque (Whitney Frost bioduplicate) Mas #22 2 w/Frost
and
Masque (bio-duplicate) Av04 head, Hardc #1 head, Hardc #14 1

maybe we should merge them in:
Madame Masque (Whitney Frost bioduplicate/Masque) Mas #22 2 w/Frost; Av04 head, Hardc #1 head, Hardc #14 1 as Masque (bio-duplicate)

Andy E. Nystrom
09-07-2015, 09:14 AM

mal32 wrote:
We have:
Madame Masque (Whitney Frost bioduplicate) Mas #22 2 w/Frost
and
Masque (bio-duplicate) Av04 head, Hardc #1 head, Hardc #14 1

maybe we should merge them in:
Madame Masque (Whitney Frost bioduplicate/Masque) Mas #22 2 w/Frost; Av04 head, Hardc #1 head, Hardc #14 1 as Masque (bio-duplicate)

Different characters, actually (I just doublechecked their first appearances to be sure). Alas we're living in the Marvel Age of Recycled Concepts. When I do the next update I'll try to find a way to clarify this further. Basically the first one posed as the real Madame Masque for an extended period of time after killing another MM duplicate, while the latter rejected her legacy and chose to be a hero, earning here the respect of the Avengers.

mal32
09-07-2015, 10:47 AM

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Different characters, actually (I just doublechecked their first appearances to be sure). Alas we're living in the Marvel Age of Recycled Concepts. When I do the next update I'll try to find a way to clarify this further. Basically the first one posed as the real Madame Masque for an extended period of time after killing another MM duplicate, while the latter rejected her legacy and chose to be a hero, earning here the respect of the Avengers.

I admit that I believed there was only one Bio-Duplicate, until today... thank you and sorry

Andy E. Nystrom
09-08-2015, 10:03 AM

mal32 wrote:
I admit that I believed there was only one Bio-Duplicate, until today... thank you and sorry

Not a problem. There have been cases where two characters on the list have proven to be the same person and there might very well be more. If you don't ask, we'll never weed those out.

According to Iron Man: Official Index to the Marvel Universe, the MM that the earlier bio-duplicate killed was herself a bio-duplicate, so there appears to be a Dr Doom thing happening on a smaller scale. Don't like an appearance by MM? That was just a bio-duplicate and not the real MM.

mal32
09-08-2015, 04:40 PM

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Not a problem. There have been cases where two characters on the list have proven to be the same person and there might very well be more. If you don't ask, we'll never weed those out.

According to Iron Man: Official Index to the Marvel Universe, the MM that the earlier bio-duplicate killed was herself a bio-duplicate, so there appears to be a Dr Doom thing happening on a smaller scale. Don't like an appearance by MM? That was just a bio-duplicate and not the real MM.

Yes, here they say the same thing:
http://www.comicvine.com/madame-masques ... 060-59970/

mal32
09-12-2015, 03:28 PM

In:
Zartra (from Deviant Lemuria, 1st undersea Attlantis empress)
Attlantis should be Atlantis

mal32
09-12-2015, 05:33 PM

About Zaladane:
Zaladane (Zala Dane) Orig #12 App, U89 #8 2, Mas #18 2, ME2X 1/3, XMes head, Hardc #10 head x2

the voice is missing the one page profile from XEarM: X-Men: Earth’s Mutant Heroes

mal32
09-13-2015, 04:29 AM

About the X-Men headquarters, we have:
X-Men Mansion (Xavier Mansion) Orig #12 2, Del #15 3, ME2X 5
and
Xavier Institute (for Higher Learning) ME1 2, ME2X 1, XM04 9, Hardc #13 10, HeroX 1/3

but the Xavier Institute (for Higher Learning)'s profile talks about the Xavier Mansion, too. Is it possible to merge the two voices?

mal32
09-13-2015, 04:40 AM

Xemu Orig #12 App
and
Zemu ME6FF 1/3, ML60 ½+WNow, Hardc #14 1

are the same character, in fact in the beginning he was named Xemu but now he is known as Zemu (Xemu)

mal32
09-13-2015, 04:54 AM

Dear Andy, I have a question (maybe you already talked about it but I don't remember, sorry): we have
Wrecker (Dirk Garthwaite) Orig #12 1, Del #8 head, Del #15 2, Mas #3 2, AvLog, ME4S App, Hardc #6 head, Hardc #7 head, AvNow 2
and
Wrecking Crew Orig #12 1, AvLog, ME5MK App, ME6FF App, NAvMW 2, Hardc #13 2, DReig 1/3

why we don't add the Wrecker's presence in the Wrecking Crew's profile in Hardc #13?
I mean: is it a small oversight or you decided to not add it?
I ask it because I saw the same thing about other characters but before to search and to list them I would like to understand more, thank you.

Andy E. Nystrom
09-13-2015, 10:28 AM

I'll correct Zaladane, Zartra, and Zemu in the next update. I see the Mansion and the Institute as slightly different (and the X-Men encyclopedia agrees with me as it includes both separately). I just checked the Wrecking Crew entry and couldn't find any head or body shots with First Appearance or First Joined info for any individual members. A caption by itself is not enough to count. Some might even claim that the headshots that I do include are too little, but I'm adding them because otherwise some interesting characters would not make the list at all and because some Appendix entries are almost as brief. That's why in some cases the softcover rather than the hardcover is noted: First appearances got added to a number of head and body shots. Had the softcover completed its run chances are the Wrecker would have been noted but that's pure speculation.

mal32
09-13-2015, 03:13 PM

About
Tutinax (the Mountain-Mover) Orig #12 App, ANew #3 head, Hardc #3 head, FoF 2

in Fear Itself: Fellowship of Fear, Tutinax has only one profile page, not two

mal32
09-20-2015, 12:38 PM

About
Sphinx (Meryer Krim) ME6FF 1, ANew #10 3, Hardc #11 3 w/Mut

her name is Meryer Karim

mal32
09-20-2015, 03:35 PM

We have:

People’s Protectorate (Supreme Soviets) U89 #7 2 as SS; AvLog as PP
Soviet Super-Soldiers Orig #10 1/3, Del #12 1
Winter Guard Team 2, Hardc #13 4, HeroH 1/3

but the Winter Guard's profile talks also about the Soviet Super-Soldiers, the Supreme Soviets and the People's Protectorate
both in their first appearences and in the membership's heads
so I think we could have this:
People’s Protectorate (Supreme Soviets) U89 #7 2 as SS; AvLog as PP; Hardc #13 4 w/Soviet Super-Soldiers & Winter Guard
Soviet Super-Soldiers Orig #10 1/3, Del #12 1; Hardc #13 4 (with Supreme Soviets & People's Protectorate as Winter Guard)
Winter Guard Team 2, Hardc #13 4 (with Soviet Super-Soldiers, Supreme Soviets & People's Protectorate); HeroH 1/3

Andy E. Nystrom
09-20-2015, 04:07 PM

mal32 wrote:
We have:

People’s Protectorate (Supreme Soviets) U89 #7 2 as SS; AvLog as PP
Soviet Super-Soldiers Orig #10 1/3, Del #12 1
Winter Guard Team 2, Hardc #13 4, HeroH 1/3

but the Winter Guard's profile talks also about the Soviet Super-Soldiers, the Supreme Soviets and the People's Protectorate
both in their first appearences and in the membership's heads
so I think we could have this:
People’s Protectorate (Supreme Soviets) U89 #7 2 as SS; AvLog as PP; Hardc #13 4 w/Soviet Super-Soldiers & Winter Guard
Soviet Super-Soldiers Orig #10 1/3, Del #12 1; Hardc #13 4 (with Supreme Soviets & People's Protectorate as Winter Guard)
Winter Guard Team 2, Hardc #13 4 (with Soviet Super-Soldiers, Supreme Soviets & People's Protectorate); HeroH 1/3

Hmm that's one's a tricky one. The headshots for Darkstar, Vanguard etc.'s Active issues are for the Winter Guard but there is indeed a capsule second for the other two teams under members and three of the headshots are more for the People's Protectorate/Supreme Soviets. Probably the best way to handle this is I'll treat the earlier two teams as capsule sub-entries of Winter Guard. It's not a perfect solution but probably as good a solution as we're going to get.

mal32
09-27-2015, 04:45 PM

Senor Suerte (Roman Garcia) see Senor Muerte
his first name should be Ramon

Andy E. Nystrom
10-06-2015, 09:24 PM

Okay, I've made the various corrections Angelo suggested. I also added real names from House of M, the three Ultimate books, Update 1-5, and Atlas 1-2, merging and separating entries as needed. I've also added in various goodies previously left out, such as House of M sub-entries and Marvel Atlas' Appendix. I don't have the Atlas trade so if the Appendix has been expanded, let me know and I'll try to hunt down a copy. Word count is 108,488.

Andy E. Nystrom
10-11-2015, 02:05 PM

Added in alter egos and made other corrections from the four Encyclopedias, Iron Manual 3, Deadpool, Captain America, Fear Itself, Thor, Spider-Man Saga, Age of Apocalypse, Defenders, X-Men Phoenix Force. Some entries merged or split off. Total word count now 109,459.

zuckyd1
10-11-2015, 03:47 PM
Andy E. Nystrom
I don't have the Atlas trade so if the Appendix has been expanded, let me know and I'll try to hunt down a copy.

Other Nations: Costa Brava, Dhakran, Kanem, Khotain, Kirikhstan, San Miguele, Timbetpal
Active Satellites: Devastator's Satellite, Eve, High Evolutionary's Space Station, Hydra Satellite, Magneto Protocols, Mandarin's Killer Satellite, Mys-Tech's Satellite, Omnivac, Samarobryn, Simulacra, Solar Mirror, Space Station 8, Starcore Station, Stark Satellite One
Inactive Satellites: AIM Space Platform, Alexandra Station, Asteroid M, Avalon, Damocles, Death Ray, Death's Head Satellite, Dr. Demonicus' Satellite, Drydock, Fu Manchu's Space Station, Goseye, Jerry Owens' Satellite, Mandarin's Space Station, Master Mold's Asteroid Base, Otomocorp Space Station, The Peak, Satellite of Death, SHIELD Orbital Platform, Silvermoon, Star Well, Starcore One, Starcore Station, Weapon Plus Space Station, XERO

Andy E. Nystrom
10-11-2015, 07:09 PM

zuckyd1 wrote:
Inactive Satellites: AIM Space Platform, Alexandra Station, Asteroid M, Avalon, Damocles, Death Ray, Death's Head Satellite, Dr. Demonicus' Satellite, Drydock, Fu Manchu's Space Station, Goseye, Jerry Owens' Satellite, Mandarin's Space Station, Master Mold's Asteroid Base, Otomocorp Space Station, The Peak, Satellite of Death, SHIELD Orbital Platform, Silvermoon, Star Well, Starcore One, Starcore Station, Weapon Plus Space Station, XERO

Thank you! Is Alexandra Station the same as Alexandria in hardcover #6's Appendix? Ditto Goseye and hardcover 6's Godseye? The latter in particular sounds like a simple typo but the first one with the word Station could suggest a different satellite. Also, just to confirm, while I'm sure it's the same satellite, the Atlas lists Star Well I as just Star Well, no Roman numeral?

zuckyd1
10-14-2015, 05:18 PM

BREAKING NEWS!!!

Spider-Gwen (2015) #1
Spider-Woman (Spider-Gwen) 1 N

RVcousin
10-14-2015, 05:31 PM

I was going to write it : go and buy it, it's a very good one

zuckyd1
10-15-2015, 12:58 PM

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Thank you! Is Alexandra Station the same as Alexandria in hardcover #6's Appendix? Ditto Goseye and hardcover 6's Godseye? The latter in particular sounds like a simple typo but the first one with the word Station could suggest a different satellite. Also, just to confirm, while I'm sure it's the same satellite, the Atlas lists Star Well I as just Star Well, no Roman numeral?

Alexandra Station is the same as Alexandria. "Goseye" was a typo on my part. Star Well is listed without the numeral in the Atlas but is the same satellite.

Andy E. Nystrom
10-15-2015, 03:55 PM

zuckyd1 wrote:
Alexandra Station is the same as Alexandria. "Goseye" was a typo on my part. Star Well is listed without the numeral in the Atlas but is the same satellite.

Thank you. Will note Alexandra/Alexandria and Star Well accordingly.

skippcomet
10-25-2015, 07:01 PM

zuckyd1 wrote:
BREAKING NEWS!!!

Spider-Gwen (2015) #1
Spider-Woman (Spider-Gwen) 1 N

Just to be clear, is this the first Spider-Gwen #1, or the second Spider-Gwen #1? Apparently they both have 2015 publication dates.

Angelicknight
10-25-2015, 07:06 PM

its the 2nd the newest.

zuckyd1
10-25-2015, 08:49 PM

Hence my announcing it as "breaking news"

Andy E. Nystrom
10-28-2015, 10:06 PM

Added in the main entries from the Secret Wars book (had and body shots to follow) and both the main and In the Comics entries from the Iron Man Guidebook. I also renamed the Secret War Files book to avoid confusion with the newer book. Word count now 110,064.

For the In the Comics sections in the latter book, the sub-entries have no captions so I based the "entry name" on the descriptions. If you disagree with any names let me know.

I'll put Spider-Gwen in the next batch of additions.

Andy E. Nystrom
10-29-2015, 05:57 PM

Added the various sub-entries in from the Secret Wars book plus the Gwen Stacy version of Spider-Woman. Added a new abbreviation, Ult for the Ultimate reality. Shifted the page split to make it more even. Word count now 110,647.

RVcousin
10-30-2015, 07:05 PM

This 2 characters are the same :
Emperor PHlk 2
Red King (Angmo-Asan) SWarOG 2

Angelicknight
11-11-2015, 10:11 AM

Spider-Gwen #2 (2015) - Captain America (Samantha T. Wilson) 1 pg

skippcomet
11-12-2015, 06:01 AM

Angelicknight wrote:
Spider-Gwen #2 (2015) - Captain America (Samantha T. Wilson) 1 pg

Is this a new Handbook entry?

Angelicknight
11-12-2015, 07:10 AM

skippcomet wrote:
Is this a new Handbook entry?

Yes it was in this weeks Spider-Gwen issue #2

Andy E. Nystrom
11-25-2015, 05:05 PM

Cap (Samantha) added and Red King adjusted. The Hulk/Iron Man 2 guidebook added. For Inn the Comics, in some cases where you could argue either way whether the "entry" name is the code name or the alter ego I just put "untitled" 616 Red Hulk/Red She-Hulk moved to Ross due to depowering. Since Anton Vanko had retired from Crimson Dynamo at time of death anyway, I moved him from Crimson Dynamo to Anton Vanko to reflect the Guidebook.

RVcousin
12-08-2015, 02:15 PM

Spider-Gwen #3 is released tomorrow and according to this credits page preview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/pr...pid=30483&pg=1) we will get another new handbook entry
RVcousin
12-09-2015, 10:18 AM

Spider-Gwen v2 #3 (2015) - Murdock, Matt 1 pg

RVcousin
12-10-2015, 06:30 AM
RVcousin
Spider-Gwen v2 #3 (2015) - Murdock, Matt 1 pg

What they are doing with the Spider-Gwen series is great idea : one issue, one-page Handbook entry. If Marvel was doing that with all their series, I would be the first to buy them all.

mal32
12-10-2015, 08:38 AM
RVcousin wrote:What they are doing with the Spider-Gwen series is great idea : one issue, one-page Handbook entry. If Marvel was doing that with all their series, I would be the first to buy them all.

I agree with you

zuckyd1
12-10-2015, 03:13 PM

RVcousin wrote:
What they are doing with the Spider-Gwen series is great idea : one issue, one-page Handbook entry. If Marvel was doing that with all their series, I would be the first to buy them all.

I already buy several non-Marvel series simply for this reason.

Andy E. Nystrom
12-11-2015, 08:58 PM

I'll add the new material when the Thor Guidebook comes out. I hope that Handbook sales reach the point where all the "loose" material can be collected in a trade or hardcover. I can't afford to buy a book I'm not interested in (or already have in another format) just for a profile or two, but I'd love to see the various profiles that have appeared since the last hardcovers.

Andy E. Nystrom
12-24-2015, 10:34 AM

I've made the changes in my offline copy of the Master List (Thor Guidebook, Earth-65 Matt Murdock). However, the glitch I noted in the Introduction thread is interfering with my ability to edit. Once the glitch is fixed I'll add the updates to this thread.

Angelicknight
01-06-2016, 09:36 AM

Spider-Gwen v2 #4 Captain Stacy 1pg.

Andy E. Nystrom · 1/07/2020 2:28 pm

Historical text from Capes (Optional):

Andy E. Nystrom
Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:51 am

Thor Guidebook and latest two Spider-Gwens added!

mal32
Thu Jan 14, 2016 2:04 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Thor Guidebook and latest two Spider-Gwens added!

I thank you, Andy, but I don't see them, sorry...

Andy E. Nystrom
Thu Jan 14, 2016 8:50 pm
They're definitely there. Everything with GMCU-Th is the Thor Guidebook and the Earth-65 entries with SGwen are the Spider-Gwen characters.

Forgot to add that I also merged Jane Foster with Thor (unidentified woman).

mal32
Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:24 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
They're definitely there. Everything with GMCU-Th is the Thor Guidebook and the Earth-65 entries with SGwen are the Spider-Gwen characters.

Forgot to add that I also merged Jane Foster with Thor (unidentified woman).

Thank you Andy, now I see it, I don't know why but before I was not able to see these updates...

mal32
Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:29 pm

Another question: why there is "&quot" everywhere?
For example: "Carter, Rufus "Super Midnight" CWBat App"

Capes (Optional)
Sun Jan 17, 2016 5:12 pm

mal32 wrote:
Another question: why there is "&quot" everywhere?
For example: "Carter, Rufus "Super Midnight" CWBat App"

Coding copying issues. corrected soon, thanks for mentioning them.

Andy E. Nystrom
Sun Jan 17, 2016 5:36 pm

I've fixed the first post.

As Michael was referring to, he had to work with the source code rather than the post directly. Otherwise he'd have had to bold etc every entry individually

mal32
Tue Jan 19, 2016 6:08 pm

Thank You for your kind efforts, Guys!!!

Andy E. Nystrom
Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:17 pm

Updated to the Captain America Guidebook. Even a few 616 concepts get profiled for the first time: Emil Gruber (other than a previous headshot), Sgt. Mike Duffy, and Yggdrasil. Of those I'd lovem to see Duffy get a full entry someday.

zuckyd1
Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:01 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Updated to the Captain America Guidebook. Even a few 616 concepts get profiled for the first time: Emil Gruber (other than a previous headshot), Sgt. Mike Duffy, and Yggdrasil. Of those I'd lovem to see Duffy get a full entry someday.

I watched the movie recently, but I didn't realize until yesterday that he was supposed to be Duffy. Very cool!

mal32
Sat Feb 27, 2016 11:07 am

What does it mean the word "frama" in:

Psi-Lord (Franklin Benjamin Richards; Earth-811)frama ME6FF 1/3, Hardc #14 2

skippcomet
Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:04 am

Question: I read somewhere that Spider-Gwen #6 was released. I wanted to ask if there was a Handbook entry at the back, and if so, who was it?

RVcousin
Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:42 am

skippcomet wrote:
Question: I read somewhere that Spider-Gwen #6 was released. I wanted to ask if there was a Handbook entry at the back, and if so, who was it?

Hello,
it's out this week and yes there will be an entry in it according to this preview page of the credits : http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_ ... 31847&pg=1
My guess is going to the Green Goblin (Earth-65). We'll see in 2 days.

Andy E. Nystrom
Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:51 pm

mal32 wrote:
What does it mean the word "frama" in:

Psi-Lord (Franklin Benjamin Richards; Earth-811)frama ME6FF 1/3, Hardc #14 2

I'll delete that next update. I don't recall, but most likely it means I was trying to jump to Rama-Tut and typed "f" instead of "Ctrl-F".

Roger Ott
Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:41 am

RVcousin wrote:
skippcomet wrote:
Question: I read somewhere that Spider-Gwen #6 was released. I wanted to ask if there was a Handbook entry at the back, and if so, who was it?
Hello,
it's out this week and yes there will be an entry in it according to this preview page of the credits : http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_ ... 31847&pg=1
My guess is going to the Green Goblin (Earth-65). We'll see in 2 days.

Keep in mind these aren't being written by the OHotMU team. They're certainly informative and fun to read, but we have nothing to do with producing them.

Andy E. Nystrom
Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:30 pm

Roger Ott wrote:
RVcousin wrote:
skippcomet wrote:
Question: I read somewhere that Spider-Gwen #6 was released. I wanted to ask if there was a Handbook entry at the back, and if so, who was it?
Hello,
it's out this week and yes there will be an entry in it according to this preview page of the credits : http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_ ... 31847&pg=1
My guess is going to the Green Goblin (Earth-65). We'll see in 2 days.
Keep in mind these aren't being written by the OHotMU team. They're certainly informative and fun to read, but we have nothing to do with producing them.

Fair enough, but the rules we're playing by is that they need to be formal or Files type, so we do allow in a few things not by the OHOTMU team, as long as the style fits and Marvel actually published it. A good example of why we need that level of flexibility is the map of Wakanda found in issues of Jungle Action. it preceeded the Handbooks by years, but was included more or less verbatim when Wakanda showed up in first series #4. It would be silly to exclude something that was larter used by Handbook people. So if it's pretty close in style I'll allow them; the Spider-Gwen stuff is so close that, if included in a future hardcover, unless the decision was made to ignore the originals, the necessary rewrites would probably be less than Encyclopaedia Mythologica.

This is actually less broad than it could have been. if you check the original Master list thread (I'll update the link to that at the top by the weekend at the latest; it's in the Reference Thread Finder), even the DK books were planned to be added at one point (having reformatted most of the threads in 2013 and 2016 I've memorized quite a bit of the older discussions).

Roger Ott
Thu Mar 17, 2016 8:02 am

I hope I didn't come across as discounting them. They're certainly legitimate, but just wanted to state for the record that the current OHotMU team had nothing to do with producing them. I believe they're being written by the series writer, so they're factually sound, though the "voice" used is slightly less Handbook style.

mal32
Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:36 am

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
mal32 wrote:
What does it mean the word "frama" in:

Psi-Lord (Franklin Benjamin Richards; Earth-811)frama ME6FF 1/3, Hardc #14 2

I'll delete that next update. I don't recall, but most likely it means I was trying to jump to Rama-Tut and typed "f" instead of "Ctrl-F".

It's funny

Andy E. Nystrom
Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:47 pm
Added in All-New All-Different Marvel Universe. Most of the lands in Battleworld I treated as new listings. However, for MC2, the classic Reality number was given without "or variant" so gave it the benefit of the doubt and folded it into the earlier listing. I won't give the various Parker Industries their own separate '"body shot" listings or cross references (I doubt anyone searching for Parker Industries will look under "L" for "London Office", but I did note them under Parker Industries itself.

I haven't done the singles yet because there's a bit of overlap with Sightings and want to do those at the same time. i did however fix the keyword search typo that Angelo spotted.
Andy E. Nystrom
Sun May 22, 2016 7:46 am
Added in the iron Man 3/Thor 2 Guidebook.

Andy E. Nystrom
Thu May 26, 2016 8:55 pm

Added in the Cap 2/Ant-Man Guidebook, plus the Spider-Gwen profiles to #8.

RVcousin
Sat Jul 02, 2016 11:41 am
Hello everyone,
I have a question about the Headmen entries : since I don't have the Deluxe TPBs, can someone confirm me if there is a difference between the TPB all-new entry and the one in the Update '89 #3 ?
Thanks in advance to all for your help.

mal32
Sun Jul 03, 2016 3:19 pm

RVcousin wrote:
Hello everyone,
I have a question about the Headmen entries : since I don't have the Deluxe TPBs, can someone confirm me if there is a difference between the TPB all-new entry and the one in the Update '89 #3 ?
Thanks in advance to all for your help.

They are two different entries/profiles

Andy E. Nystrom
Tue Jul 05, 2016 5:33 pm
Agents of SHIELD Season One added.

Andy E. Nystrom
Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:30 pm
Guardians of the Galaxy added, though Star-Lord will need to be tweaked pending my query in that book's thread.

While not ideal, I may have to split this thread into two: a locked thread of the list itself and an open thread for discussion of the list, the reason being that this is a very slow loading thread. It's possible that when we reach page 2 that will relieve the memory in terms of discussion, but the first page is probably always going to be a slow loader if we leave it as is.

mal32
Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:01 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Guardians of the Galaxy added, though Star-Lord will need to be tweaked pending my query in that book's thread.

While not ideal, I may have to split this thread into two: a locked thread of the list itself and an open thread for discussion of the list, the reason being that this is a very slow loading thread. It's possible that when we reach page 2 that will relieve the memory in terms of discussion, but the first page is probably always going to be a slow loader if we leave it as is.

Dear Andy:
1) did you have time to tweak the Star-Lord part?
2) did you decide if it is necessary to split this thread in two?
Thanx,
Angelo

Andy E. Nystrom
Mon Sep 26, 2016 1:59 pm

mal32 wrote:
Dear Andy:
1) did you have time to tweak the Star-Lord part?
2) did you decide if it is necessary to split this thread in two?
Thanx,
Angelo

1. Not yet, hopefully this eve though as i want those changes uploaded Wed when I updated the Master List with the new Guidebook.
2. Right now it seems to be loading faster than before. As long as that's the case I'll leave it as is.

Things you didn't ask: Because of the sheer amount of data this thread is one of the least likely to ever have graphics added but I do want to make a few improvements as identifying source entries for sub-entries. I will continue to add in alter egos and the like. Other suggestions welcomed, as long as they are text based (graphical suggestions okay for other threads).

mal32
Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:51 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
mal32 wrote:
Dear Andy:
1) did you have time to tweak the Star-Lord part?
2) did you decide if it is necessary to split this thread in two?
Thanx,
Angelo
1. Not yet, hopefully this eve though as i want those changes uploaded Wed when I updated the Master List with the new Guidebook.
2. Right now it seems to be loading faster than before. As long as that's the case I'll leave it as is.

Things you didn't ask: Because of the sheer amount of data this thread is one of the least likely to ever have graphics added but I do want to make a few improvements as identifying source entries for sub-entries. I will continue to add in alter egos and the like. Other suggestions welcomed, as long as they are text based (graphical suggestions okay for other threads).

Thank you very much
Andy E. Nystrom
Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:10 pm

Added in the entries from the latest Guidebook. Also split the Star-Lord listing (I don't have the Star-Lord hardcover so guessed there). Also updated the link to the old version so it goes to this site and not CxPulp.

zuckyd1
Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:21 am

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Added in the entries from the latest Guidebook. Also split the Star-Lord listing (I don't have the Star-Lord hardcover so guessed there). Also updated the link to the old version so it goes to this site and not CxPulp.

What Star-Lord hardcover?

Andy E. Nystrom
Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:53 am

zuckyd1 wrote:
What Star-Lord hardcover?

Judging from the abbreviation in the listing, apparently Hollow Crown. I might be wrong about it being a hardcover now that I've seen the abbreviation; HC usually means hardcover so I might need to adjust it to HCr or something like that.

zuckyd1
Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:17 pm
I own Hollow Crown, in case there's any information you'd like me to confirm.

Andy E. Nystrom
Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:52 pm

zuckyd1 wrote:
I own Hollow Crown, in case there's any information you'd like me to confirm.

Here's the question that came up: previously the 616/Prime Peter Quill was believed to be the Star-Lord who first appeared in Marvel Preview and was treated as such in the Handbooks. But then the Guardians of the Galaxy's Guidebook noted that the 616/Prime version didn't appear until Thanos #4, with the earlier stories being Reality-731. Stuart confirmed this on the thread to that volume (in part due to Bendis changing his origin). This means I've had to split the listings as there's a couple places where it's just 616/Prime. So the question is whether the Hollow Crown entry covers both versions (with the two versions' history intermingled) or if it uses the the Bendis origin (or conversely just the 731 history). If it lists his first appearance as Marvel Preview but also mentions his Guardians history it's probably a merged version. It it mentions Marvel Preview but no Guardians it's just 731. If it lists Thanos as his first appearance it's 616/Prime.

zuckyd1
Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:44 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Here's the question that came up: previously the 616/Prime Peter Quill was believed to be the Star-Lord who first appeared in Marvel Preview and was treated as such in the Handbooks. But then the Guardians of the Galaxy's Guidebook noted that the 616/Prime version didn't appear until Thanos #4, with the earlier stories being Reality-731. Stuart confirmed this on the thread to that volume (in part due to Bendis changing his origin). This means I've had to split the listings as there's a couple places where it's just 616/Prime. So the question is whether the Hollow Crown entry covers both versions (with the two versions' history intermingled) or if it uses the the Bendis origin (or conversely just the 731 history). If it lists his first appearance as Marvel Preview but also mentions his Guardians history it's probably a merged version. It it mentions Marvel Preview but no Guardians it's just 731. If it lists Thanos as his first appearance it's 616/Prime.

His first appearance is listed as Marvel Preview #4.
There is a long note at the end of the History section:

Star-Lord recently related an account of his origins that varied significantly in numerous respects from previous accounts.... Assuming this is a truthful account, the name discrepancies may simply be different Anglicizations of alien words, but the extensive history differences suggest that the Star-Lord sired by Jason of Sparta was from alternate Reality-791, while the offspring of J'Son of Spartax is the Reality-616 Star-Lord....

Andy E. Nystrom
Fri Sep 30, 2016 7:35 pm
Thank you. Assuming that everything other than the note at the end of the History uses the original account (so Jason not J'Son etc) , I'll treat it as a merged entry, albeit one eying the new continuity. Bendis writes some great character moments but he's murder on continuity, including resurrecting characters during the Raft breakout apparently without realizing it. I don't think that his origin for Spider-Woman is easily reconciled with her earlier origin either.

zuckyd1
Fri Sep 30, 2016 7:53 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Thank you. Assuming that everything other than the note at the end of the History uses the original account (so Jason not J'Son etc) , I'll treat it as a merged entry, albeit one eying the new continuity. Bendis writes some great character moments but he's murder on continuity, including resurrecting characters during the Raft breakout apparently without realizing it. I don't think that his origin for Spider-Woman is easily reconciled with her earlier origin either.

"Jason" is used at the beginning of the history section, and "J'Son" is used near the end.

Andy E. Nystrom
Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:07 pm

zuckyd1 wrote:
"Jason" is used at the beginning of the history section, and "J'Son" is used near the end.

Definitely a Phoenix (first Handbook)-style merged entry then, despite the note.

mal32
Sun Oct 09, 2016 3:49 pm

About:
Menalaus Hardc #8 App
it should be:
Menelaus Hardc #8 App

Andy E. Nystrom
Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:02 pm

Corrected the Menelaus error plus a Leviathan error (two different versions were together). Added in the material from Agents of SHIELD Season 2/Agent Carter Season 1 (quite a few new additions including the In the Comics versions); since the 616/Prime Isabelle's surname has not been confirmed as Hartley, I've placed her in the I's for now.

Andy E. Nystrom
Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:32 pm

Okay, there's a decision to be made:
I have a way of making the entry names stand out a lot more, way more appealing. BUT in order to do so I'd have to split the text again and push the historical text down one. This will make saving updates a bit slower (I'll save to save two halves instead of one whole) but it looks a lot nicer in my opinion.

So here's the deal: if people don't like the potential new look or are neutral, I'll leave the format as is for now. But if people love the new look, I'll do the split. This is the new look I'm thinking of:

Valkyrie (Brunnhilde) Orig #2 App, Hardc #14 caps, XEarM head as Brunnhilde; CoC #2, Orig #3 head, Orig #12 1, Del #14 3, U89 #2 head, EncM ½, Hardc #3 head, Hardc #12 3, HeroH 1/3, Wom7D 3, ARCal head x2, AZsc #1 head, AvNow App as Valkyrie
Valkyrie (Samantha Parrington) Wom05 1, Hardc #3 head, Hardc #12 2, Wom7D 2 as Valkyrie; XEarM head as Samantha Parrington
Valkyrior Orig #12 App, Hardc #14 caps, XEarM 2
Valkyrior Steeds Pets ½, Hardc #13 ½
Valley of Doom (Reality-51920) ANADiff caps

Thoughts?

[Contextual note: Jan 7, 2020: On Capes(Optional) the background was black, hence my suggestion of yellow text.]

mal32
Mon Oct 31, 2016 6:26 am

I like the new format but I am afraid it will be a BIG work for you...
I always thank you for what you kindly do for us.

mal32
Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:37 pm

should be Grog the God-Crusher U89 #3 1, wrongly reported as Grog the God-Slayer
(see DATA CORRECTIONS of The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe Update '89)

Andy E. Nystrom
Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:59 pm

Latest Guidebook added and the Grog bit amended

mal32
Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:46 pm

In the Key,
there is ASSkr: Annilation: Super-Skrull
instead of:
ASSkr: Annilhiation: Super-Skrull

zuckyd1
Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:13 pm

mal32 wrote:
In the Key,
there is ASSkr: Annilation: Super-Skrull
instead of:
ASSkr: Annilhiation: Super-Skrull

Or ever better — ASSkr: Annihilation: Super-Skrull ;)
mal32
Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:35 pm
Conan Saga #75 offered a black and white copy of the Handbook of the Conan Universe with small differences

zuckyd1
Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:21 pm

mal32 wrote:
Conan Saga #75 offered a black and white copy of the Handbook of the Conan Universe with small differences

What are the differences?

mal32
Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:38 pm

We have:
FNS24: Friendly Neighbourhood Spider-Man #24
but it should be:
FNS24: Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man #24

mal32
Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:43 pm

zuckyd1 wrote:
mal32 wrote:
In the Key,
there is ASSkr: Annilation: Super-Skrull
instead of:
ASSkr: Annilhiation: Super-Skrull

Or ever better — ASSkr: Annihilation: Super-Skrull ;)

Yes, of course :grin:

mal32
Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:55 pm
Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe - Golden AgeA2004
should be:
Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe - Golden Age 2004

mal32
Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:41 pm

zuckyd1 wrote:
mal32 wrote:
Conan Saga #75 offered a black and white copy of the Handbook of the Conan Universe with small differences

What are the differences?

1) the 1985 original Handbook of the Conan Universe is in color, the 1993 reprint in CONAN SAGA #75 is black and white
2) they have different covers
3) the reprint one has a new map of the pre-cataclismatic lands

mal32
Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:44 am

mal32 wrote:
Grog the God-Slayer U89 #3 1

should be Grog the God-Crusher U89 #3 1, wrongly reported as Grog the God-Slayer
(see DATA CORRECTIONS of The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe Update '89)

Thank You to have corrected it but I forgot to write the issue in which they corrected it, they did it in:
the DATA CORRECTIONS of The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe Update '89 #8 page 48

mal32
Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:07 pm

Nomad (Rikki Barnes; Counter Earth-Franklin Richards) Hardc #2 head as Bucky; MUUp #3 2, OnsUn 2 as Nomad

and

Onslaught (entity) WolEn #2, Cer 1, ME2X 2/3, ME6FF App, ANew #8 1, XFutH 1/3, Hardc #8 2, HeroX 1/3, OnsUn 2; MVis #12 2 w Professor X (treated as his dark side)

both should have OnsUn #2 2

mal32
Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:24 pm

SGwen: Spider-Gwen (2005/2 )
should be:
SGwen: Spider-Gwen (2015/2 )

mal32
Tue Jan 24, 2017 1:46 pm

mal32 wrote:
zuckyd1 wrote:
mal32 wrote:
Conan Saga #75 offered a black and white copy of the Handbook of the Conan Universe with small differences

What are the differences?

1) the 1985 original Handbook of the Conan Universe is in color, the 1993 reprint in CONAN SAGA #75 is black and white
2) they have different covers
3) the reprint one has a new map of the pre-cataclismatic lands

There is, at least, another difference but now I don't remember it, sorry... I will write it as soon as possible (now I am sick, sorry)

Andy E. Nystrom
Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:46 pm

Angelo's corrections mostly made (I plan to add the original Data Corrections later). I took a guess that the pre-cataclismic map from Conan Saga was 1 page. Civil War Guidebook added.

mal32
Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:27 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Angelo's corrections mostly made (I plan to add the original Data Corrections later). I took a guess that the pre-cataclismic map from Conan Saga was 1 page. Civil War Guidebook added.

No, the map is different from the one in CONAN SAGA 1,
it is this one:
https://www.sendspace.com/file/nrsman
and it is a two page map

mal32
Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:40 am
May I ask what does it mean this, please?

Acchter, Gavrel[/i] ANADiff head
[b*]Ackerdson, Henry MUUp #2 head

maybe there is something to be fixed

mal32
Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:21 am
The same problem for:
[b*]Captain America (Steven Rogers; Revolutionary War) ANUp #4 ½, Hardc #3 ½
[b*]Dezan, Prince ME6FF, Skr ½ as PD; Hardc #10 head as Dezan
[b*]Fury, Sir Nicholas (1602 A.D.) Hardc #1 head
[b*]Lucifer Orig #7 App, Del #18 2, Mas #18 2, MZom 1, MZom head, Hardc #3 head, Hardc #6 1
[b*]Morse, Robert ME5MK App
[b*]Tri-Sentinel ME4S 1/3
Andy’s note jan 7, 202: asterisks added to last two posts to avoid triggering the formatting
mal32
Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:24 am
And at the end of:
Pym, Henry (Henry Jonathan Pym) Orig #1 head, Del #1 head each as Ant-Man, Giant-Man, Goliath, Yellowjacket; Orig #5 App w/Foster as Giant-Man, w/Hawkeye as Goliath; CoC #3, Orig #12 App, Orig #14 1 1/3, Av04 2, ME1 2, CivF 1, CWBat ½, Hardc #1 head, Hardc #3 head, GMCU-CA2/AM caps sub as Yellowjacket; Del #10 4, Dtpb V5 4, Hardc #6 head as Dr. Henry Pym; Del #1 head, Mas #34 2, AvNow App as Henry Pym; AvLog, ARCal head x2 as Giant-Man; Av04 head as Ant-Man; Hardc #13 8, SStor 1, HeroH 1/3, Wom7D 5 as Wasp; GMCU-CA2/AM caps sub as Hank Pym[/i]

Andy E. Nystrom
Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:39 pm
Thank you for pointing these out Angelo. These are coding issues (bold, italics). I'll fix next update. It's another reason it's a shame this thread takes up too much memory to make the entries yellow: these kinds of errors really jumped out when I made the entries yellow on the DC list.

Andy E. Nystrom
Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:05 pm
I corrected the coding errors and added the Doctor Strange Guidebook. With this volume, I've started using the new InCom abbreviation for In the Comics, as In the Comics entries are a little different than normal Appendix entries (e.g. no real title). I'll adjust the earlier InCom entries later.

Andy E. Nystrom
Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:21 pm
I adjusted the other In the Comics listings while doing the new Never Been Kissed: Guidebooks list. Even found a few I overlooked.

mal32
Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:29 pm
I always thank you for your kind efforts for us all!!!

About the Skrull named Krimonn, the one who gives energies to the Earth-616's Doctor Spectrum, we have the following ones:

Doctor Spectrum (Krimmon) Orig #15 ½ as Doctor Spectrum’s Power Prism; DefSH 3 w/Obatu, Roberts, Gomes, Nugent as Doctor Spectrum
...
Doctor Spectrum (Kinji Obatu) Orig #4 App, AvLog as Doctor Spectrum; ME6FF App as Dr. Kinji Obatu; DefSH 3 w/Krimmon, Roberts, Gomes, Nugent as Doctor Spectrum
Doctor Spectrum (William Roberts/Martha Gomes/Alice Nugent) DefSH 3 w/Krimmon and Obatu
Doctor Spectrum's Power Prism see Doctor Spectrum (Krimmon)

with Krimmon instead of Krimonn
but wer are sure that is true name is Krimonn also watching his entry on the SKRULLS! (2008)'s Official Handbook,
in fact you named him Krimonn in the list here:
Krimonn Skr 1

Andy E. Nystrom
Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:52 pm
I'll be updating this post soon, including that Dr Spectrum error I forgot about. One question: the Master List is bursting at the seams and causing this thread to be slow to load. Would people be okay with the list itself being in its own closed thread, while keeping the discussion here? That way I could tweak the list to make it easier to read (making the entry names yellow), and this would likely speed up loading for both the list itself and the commentary. But I realize it's a bit of a pain to have the list in one location and the discussion somewhere else, though of course each would be linked to the other. What are people's preferences?

zuckyd1
Sun Dec 17, 2017 3:40 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
I'll be updating this post soon, including that Dr Spectrum error I forgot about. One question: the Master List is bursting at the seams and causing this thread to be slow to load. Would people be okay with the list itself being in its own closed thread, while keeping the discussion here? That way I could tweak the list to make it easier to read (making the entry names yellow), and this would likely speed up loading for both the list itself and the commentary. But I realize it's a bit of a pain to have the list in one location and the discussion somewhere else, though of course each would be linked to the other. What are people's preferences?

Obviously it's more convenient to have everything in the same place, but if you think it will make a difference go for it.

Remaining Capes (Optional) posts MISSING.

Historical text from Facebook:

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September 16, 2018 9:30 am

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zuckyd1
March 11, 2019 at 6:23 PM ·

correction:
Spectrum (Monica Rambeau): her entry in Av05 is as Pulsar, not Photon.

mal32 · 1/15/2020 8:27 am

This is the page I was awaiting for, more... thank you to have posted it! Could you put it always on the top of the first page, please? I can't wait to see the updateds from the SPIDER-GEDDON Handook and the other HandBook updates. Thank You Very Much from Italy

Last edited by mal32 (10/11/2021 4:59 am)

Andy E. Nystrom · 2/07/2020 1:28 pm

mal32 wrote:
This is the page I was awaiting for, more... thank you to have posted it! Could you put it always on the top of the first page, please? I can't wait to see the updateds from the SPIDER-GEDDON Handook and the other FavaBook updates. Thank You Very Much from Italy

I'll pin this one. Just added all the core entries from Spider-Geddon and about half the Appendix entries. Will add more from Appendix after I've moved some more threads over.

Andy E. Nystrom · 2/07/2020 6:41 pm

Added the rest of the Appendix. Too much to do with the move so since the Appendix lacks captions, I only included code names and real names if they explicitly appeared in the text; feel free to supply missing real names. I'm aware that bits of size coding appears above, plus some unwanted underlining. I can't do any more tonight so will take care of those next week at the latest.

Andy E. Nystrom · 2/14/2020 6:47 pm

Added in characters from Sightings. Started reformatting this for consistency. Made it to the letter B. More next week.

Andy E. Nystrom · 3/06/2020 7:59 pm

Fell behind on reformatting but just did some more, up to G. Please point out any formatting errors or other errors up to that letter.

Andy E. Nystrom · 3/12/2020 4:51 pm

Cleaned up the rest of the doc. Please do point out any errors that arose or became more obvious from the format cleaning up.

Andy E. Nystrom · 3/12/2020 5:31 pm

Added in the new material from the It's All Connected hardcover. Don't have the Good Bad Guardians hardcover so won't worry about that for now as I'll want to look at the In the Comics section when I obtain a copy.

zuckyd1 · 3/13/2020 7:59 am

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Added in the new material from the It's All Connected hardcover. Don't have the Good Bad Guardians hardcover so won't worry about that for now as I'll want to look at the In the Comics section when I obtain a copy.

I have the Good Bad Guardians hardcover, if you need any help.

Andy E. Nystrom · 3/13/2020 11:01 am

zuckyd1 wrote:
I have the Good Bad Guardians hardcover, if you need any help.

Okay, thank you. Here's what I need from the Guardians of the Galaxy 2 section, which I believe is the only new section.

For core entries:
Exact entry name, including "update" if applicable
Any real names unless already noted in prior listings. Sometimes real names are only found in the History for Guidebooks
Page count (include sub-entries, usually In the Comics in page count; so if a 1 pager has a 1/4 page sub-entry, just say 1 page, not 3/4 page)

There probably won't be any sub-entries that aren't In the comics. If there are, let me know and I'll clarify what to do.

For In the Comics:
Make it clear which profile they're connected to.
List page counts if 1/6 page or larger, otherwise say "capsule". Okay to eyeball and give a reasonable estimate. I don't care if a profile is 3 mm off from 1/4 page; common sense rounding is fine. Include the cover reproductions as part of the page count.
If there are two distinct sections within a core profile (so text-cover, text-cover), treat as separate sub-entries.
Since these are untitled, quote the sentence or phrase listing character name(s). If there is more than one character etc in the same sub-entry, quote enough to give me a sense of who all is covered. I'll decide from the quote what to list them under.

zuckyd1 · 3/13/2020 11:39 am

Ayesha 1
   In the Comics: 1/4
   “transformed itself into the female Her… Her was rechristened J’Ridia Starduster… later allied with another potential mate… as Kismet… the scientists remade Kismet into the villainous Ayesha”
Drax Update 1
Ego 1
   In the Comics: 1/4
   “The cinematic Ego is derived from two comic characters: Ego the Living Planet is a sentient, planet-sized being… J’Son, heir to the Spartax planetary system… prompting J’Son to reinvent himself as interstellar crime lord Mister Knife”
   (I think this counts as a single entry — 2 covers and then 1 block of text.)
Gamora Update 1
Groot Update 1
Mantis 1
   In the Comics: capsule
   “Mantis learned martial arts”
Nebula Update 1
Ravagers Update 2
   In the Comics: 6 distinct named entries, each entry has a cover and text, 2/3 total
   Charlie-27, Krugarr, Main Frame, Martinex, Aleta Ogord, Starhawk (Stakar Ogord)
Rocket Update 1
The Sovereign 1
Star-Lord Update 2
Yondu Update 1
Kraglin 1/2
Taserface 1/2
   In the Comics: capsule
   “Taserface could shoot electromagnetic energy… rechristened the Nameless One in defeat… rebuilt him as Overkill”
Howard the Duck Update 1/3
Meredith Quill Update 1/3
The Watchers 1/3
   In the Comics: capsule
   “omnisciently observing the Multiverse as the Watchers”

RVcousin · 4/24/2020 10:55 am

Hey guys,
Can somebody tell me the differences between the Deluxe TPB entry and the regular one for Red Ronin and Headmen ? With a picture it'll be even better but an explanation is OK too

Andy E. Nystrom · 4/24/2020 3:57 pm

RVcousin wrote:
Hey guys,
Can somebody tell me the differences between the Deluxe TPB entry and the regular one for Red Ronin and Headmen ? With a picture it'll be even better but an explanation is OK too

Funny, I've been thinking of doing a complete comparison between Deluxe and the trades.
For Headmen, they didn't get an entry at all in Deluxe. After the trades, they got an entry in Update '89, but it's completely rewritten, 1 page in Deluxe trade, 2 in Update '89. Both have sub-entries but for Nagan and Morgan they're under code name in the trade, real name in Update '89. Ruby only has a sub-entry in Update '89.

At a quick glance it appears the main difference in the case of Red Ronin is the main illo has been redrawn. And of course the colours are nicer in the trade due to the whiter paper..

RVcousin · 4/25/2020 1:32 am

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
For Headmen, they didn't get an entry at all in Deluxe. After the trades, they got an entry in Update '89, but it's completely rewritten, 1 page in Deluxe trade, 2 in Update '89. Both have sub-entries but for Nagan and Morgan they're under code name in the trade, real name in Update '89. Ruby only has a sub-entry in Update '89.

At a quick glance it appears the main difference in the case of Red Ronin is the main illo has been redrawn. And of course the colours are nicer in the trade due to the whiter paper..

Thank you Andy.
About the Phantom Rider entry, only the title is changed, the text remains the same ? And also is it written PHANTOM RIDER or PHANTOM RIDER IV ?

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Funny, I've been thinking of doing a complete comparison between Deluxe and the trades.

Funny too, because, I will do next week the same but for the 5 A-Z Premiere TPBs.

Andy E. Nystrom · 4/25/2020 6:18 am

RVcousin wrote:
Thank you Andy.
About the Phantom Rider entry, only the title is changed, the text remains the same ? And also is it written PHANTOM RIDER or PHANTOM RIDER IV ?

Funny too, because, I will do next week the same but for the 5 A-Z Premiere TPBs.

I'll answer your question about the text when I start that scan. No Roman numerals.

If you mean comparing the hardcovers to the main body of the trades, you should check the original tpb threads first. I believe Sidney listed off changes shortly after they came out, but you might be able to expand on his work.

RVcousin · 4/25/2020 1:19 pm

I have found some creators profiles (including a file called the Office Handbook of the Marvel Universe).
Where can I publish that list ?

Andy E. Nystrom · 4/25/2020 4:45 pm

RVcousin wrote:
I have found some creators profiles (including a file called the Office Handbook of the Marvel Universe).
Where can I publish that list ?

I have a few thoughts here. The Master List captures such profiles that appear in the Handbooks themselves. There was briefly discussion of adding in profiles from other sources but it quickly became apparent that this would be a huge can of worms (e.g. Bullpen Bulletins has some of these). So I have a couple thoughts. 1. Just post the list here or in Sightings with the understanding that they might not get folded in. OR if you would like a challenge, you could start a new thread on that topic. In such a case I would give you a few broad guidelines but otherwise let you format the list as you saw fit. Is this something you would like to take on?

RVcousin · 4/26/2020 2:16 am

Andy,
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED !!!

Andy E. Nystrom · 4/26/2020 4:37 am

RVcousin wrote:
Andy,
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED !!!

Okay. At the very least you want who is the profile for and the original source of the profile. For Bullpen Bulletin profiles, you can either list the individual titles or "all titles with an indicia date of ____". Up to you if you want to list the article name or just the name of the person covered, though the former would be nice. For example, I did a little research yesterday and it appears that there was only one Office Handbook profile (for Jim Shooter) and that it came from Marvel Age. At the very least we'd want that it's for Shooter and the issue of Marvel Age, but including the Office Handbook bit would be nice. Page counts optional; I doubt any run longer than a page. Artist optional. At the very least list by subject covered or by source comic but you can do both if you'd like. Note instances of the profile being reprinted. Definitely include the people from the Handbooks listed in the Master List. Feel free to include as much or as little additional info as you want people to know. Come up with an eye please format. I generally use title case and bold the first part, but whatever you come up with that's eye appealing is fine. Images are optional. Each individual post has size limits. You probably won't run into them with just text but if you scan in an image and try to place it in the post directly instead of copying and pasting images from another source, you'll reach them. In case the project proves to be larger than expected, I'd include a placeholder post after the first post in case you have to break the post up later.

Andy E. Nystrom · 4/27/2020 3:54 pm

Added in the Good/Bad/Guardians info provided by zuckyd1

Andy E. Nystrom · 8/12/2020 6:20 am

Updated the entries to include Empyre Handbook. I'm assuming that Phil (Kree cameraman) and Phil (Skrull cameraman) are separate characters. If Phil is a Kree-Skrull hybrid, I'll merge those.

zuckyd1 · 9/05/2020 3:41 pm

Agent 13 (Sharon Carter; MCU) see3 Sharon Carter

typo

zuckyd1 · 9/21/2020 1:37 pm

Albert (Earth-50211) XMes head, Hardc #4 head
Elsie-Dee (Earth-50211) XMes head, Hardc #4 head

Should be Earth-5211

zuckyd1 · 9/21/2020 2:16 pm

Alberne, General AZsc #2 head

should be "Darlegung, General Alberne"