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Michael Regan

Jan 7, 2011, 03:39 pm

Stuart V wrote:

There is. We simply have to pick another distinguishing characteristic (e.g. "Black Knight (Vatican's)"). Occasionally it's not the most elegant option, but that's why real names are preferable for clarifiers.

Fair enough, that is true.




Madison Carter

Jan 7, 2011, 03:53 pm

Roger Ott wrote:

I never realized how much of a pain it was until new characters of the same name started getting shoehorned into past continuity, then it became apparent that the roman numeral system was deeply flawed.

I much prefer the system you guys came up with. You really have made the OHOTMU series your own - bigger, better, and all-encompassing.

It's not just the retcon characters, it's characters that legitimately had that name without being recognized by the roman numerals as well, such as all the western characters like Vulture, Tarantula, etc.




Andy E. Nystrom

Jan 7, 2011, 04:19 pm

Madison Carter wrote:

It's not just the retcon characters, it's characters that legitimately had that name without being recognized by the roman numerals as well, such as all the western characters like Vulture, Tarantula, etc.

True. In the 1980s I don't think they realized how many Vultures there were. Of course there's been a shift since the 1980s. In the 1980s, Golden Age stories were generally *not* in continuity unless specifically noted, whereas now Golden Age stories are generally considered to be in continuity unless noted. That alone affected the Roman numeral placement.

Yet another complication of course is What If? Worlds, especially since on rare occasions characters introduced in that title appear elsewhere. Thankfully so far that hasn't gotten as out of control as it could potentially get.

Where I do the next draft of this list, I'll keep in the Roman numerals for historical purposes, but I'll include a clarifier in brackets afterwards.




Madison Carter

Jan 7, 2011, 08:41 pm


something I may suggest if you plan another version - It might read easier if you put all the characters in one alphabetical list, with notations of what they appearead in (e.g. (Or4, DE3, ME25)) after the names




Andy E. Nystrom

Jan 7, 2011, 09:48 pm

Madison Carter wrote:

something I may suggest if you plan another version - It might read easier if you put all the characters in one alphabetical list, with notations of what they appearead in (e.g. (Or4, DE3, ME25)) after the names

Hmm, I could certainly see myself doing things both ways. I can see how that would be helpful, but at the same time wouldn't want the list to just be the same as Eric's only with characters omitted as they get covered in newer books (plus the odd tweak here and there). The other reason I'd still want to keep the issue by issue format as well is I think it's fun to see how close the older books are to being covered in their entirety post-2000 (in particular there are some Masters issues that are only 1-3 entries away from being migrated over completely). But if there's enough interest I'd be happy to do both formats.




Stuart V

Jan 7, 2011, 09:53 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:

Hmm, I could certainly see myself doing things both ways. I can see how that would be helpful, but at the same time wouldn't want the list to just be the same as Eric's only with characters omitted as they get covered in newer books (plus the odd tweak here and there). The other reason I'd still want to keep the issue by issue format as well is I think it's fun to see how close the older books are to being covered in their entirety post-2000 (in particular there are some Masters issues that are only 1-2 entries away from being migrated over completely). But if there's enough interest I'd be happy to do both formats.

I have to admit I like your chosen method of listing for that very reason - it's easy to spot what needs to be done to eliminate each individual older issue from the listing, allowing for an element of "targetting."




Andy E. Nystrom

Jan 7, 2011, 10:02 pm

captainswift wrote:

Power Broker, the person, also had an entry in the trades, where the regular issues featured Power Broker, Inc, the company he owned.

Good point. I'll make a special note of him. It's probably still not worth doing all the trades just for him but it's still worth noting.

Rob London wrote:

From the Avengers Log - isn't War Toy just an alias for Alkhema (who has been profiled)?

I just doublechecked and you're right. I'll remove her from the list.

Stuart V wrote:

I have to admit I like your chosen method of listing for that very reason - it's easy to spot what needs to be done to eliminate each individual older issue from the listing, allowing for an element of "targetting."

Glad you like it. The reason I embarked on this was my curiousity about this got the best of me, and figured that the people who frequent this board might be similarly curious. If this does affect who gets covered in later volumes I'll certainly be flattered, but it was mainly that I had an itch to scratch. I was sad when I was going through the Masters Edition sheets and hit the X's. #10 came so close...




Sidney Osinga

Jan 7, 2011, 10:29 pm


I like the idea of this list. I did a similar thing. I made a list of all the characters from the three 1980's series who haven't been covered yet, and cross off those who get entries. Personally, I'd like to see all the entries from the '80's being covered.




Eduardo M.

Jan 7, 2011, 11:17 pm

Sidney Osinga wrote:

I like the idea of this list. I did a similar thing. I made a list of all the characters from the three 1980's series who haven't been covered yet, and cross off those who get entries. Personally, I'd like to see all the entries from the '80's being covered.

I did the same thing but on notebook paper.




Sidney Osinga

Jan 7, 2011, 11:21 pm

Eduardo M. wrote:

I did the same thing but on notebook paper.

Yeah, that's where I have mine. The first list was three sheets, front and back, with two columns. After the last hardcover came out, I redid it and ended up with less than two sheets. Of course, I only covered full entries and not the quarter page ones.




Andy E. Nystrom

Jan 8, 2011, 03:33 am

Sidney Osinga wrote:

Yeah, that's where I have mine. The first list was three sheets, front and back, with two columns. After the last hardcover came out, I redid it and ended up with less than two sheets. Of course, I only covered full entries and not the quarter page ones.

I thought it was important to include those and the Appendix because those are often where the oddball characters are.

Off topic: is it possible to flag a thread without opening it? Even without clicking on the thread, "fresh checked dumps" is a rather disturbing image.




Michael Regan

Jan 8, 2011, 08:47 am

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:

Off topic: is it possible to flag a thread without opening it? Even without clicking on the thread, "fresh checked dumps" is a rather disturbing image.

Unfortunately not, but I've flagged it.




bigvis497

Jan 8, 2011, 05:28 pm


Good work, this will come in handy!

One of the first things that comes to mind looking over this is how easy it would be to fill a Thor handbook. There's tons of Thor characters that haven't received modern entries.




captainswift

Jan 9, 2011, 12:10 am


I also want to point out that the Deluxe edition trades had a different entry for the android Zodiac, which did 1/4 pagers for the membership (not the same 1/4 pagers for the deceased Zodiac in issue 20). For some reason, they numbered them by their status in the android Zodiac organization, so that both the Human Zodiac and the android Zodiac had, for instance, an Aries I and Aries II.

At any rate, the 1/4 page entries for the android Zodiac were: Aquarius, Aries I & II, Cancer, Capricorn II, Gemini, Leo I & II, Libra, Pisces II, Sagittarius I & II, Taurus I & II, Virgo II. (I presume the number of II's with no I's is because the first android Zodiac had several members who didn't "survive" the creation process)




Andy E. Nystrom

Jan 9, 2011, 01:50 am

captainswift wrote:

I also want to point out that the Deluxe edition trades had a different entry for the android Zodiac, which did 1/4 pagers for the membership (not the same 1/4 pagers for the deceased Zodiac in issue 20). For some reason, they numbered them by their status in the android Zodiac organization, so that both the Human Zodiac and the android Zodiac had, for instance, an Aries I and Aries II.

At any rate, the 1/4 page entries for the android Zodiac were: Aquarius, Aries I & II, Cancer, Capricorn II, Gemini, Leo I & II, Libra, Pisces II, Sagittarius I & II, Taurus I & II, Virgo II. (I presume the number of II's with no I's is because the first android Zodiac had several members who didn't "survive" the creation process)

Thank you, Cap. Fortunately I do have the tpb's so I'll work those in with proper descriptions in my next draft.




captainswift

Jan 9, 2011, 10:32 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:

Thank you, Cap. Fortunately I do have the tpb's so I'll work those in with proper descriptions in my next draft.

Not a problem. And that's it, too. Zodiac 1/4-pagers and Power Broker are all the "new" tpb entries that haven't been covered in recent years. So, y'know, you could just fit those in with the appropriate Deluxe issue.




Andy E. Nystrom

Jan 9, 2011, 11:22 pm

captainswift wrote:

Not a problem. And that's it, too. Zodiac 1/4-pagers and Power Broker are all the "new" tpb entries that haven't been covered in recent years. So, y'know, you could just fit those in with the appropriate Deluxe issue.

Actually one more: the tpb Headmen entry preceeded the Update '89 one. I'll do a mini-section on the tpb.




Andy E. Nystrom

Jan 11, 2011, 03:35 pm

Deleted. I'm keeping the original starting posts for historical purposes but deleting the older updates because they serve no purpose and removing them makes the thread easier to wade through.




bigvis497

Jan 11, 2011, 04:14 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:

#4
Infectia
Jade Dragon
Jones, Gabe
Killraven’s Freemen; also Frost, Carmilla; Old Skull; M’Shulla
Kubik (debatable since there is a Cosmic Cube entry)
Left-Winger
Lobo, Carlos
Mackenzie, Al
Madame Hydra
Maddicks, Artie (E/F)
Maison Alpha
Manikin

Madame Hydra is the same as Viper right? She got a lengthy entry in the modern series.




Andy E. Nystrom

Jan 11, 2011, 04:32 pm

bigvis497 wrote:

Madame Hydra is the same as Viper right? She got a lengthy entry in the modern series.

Crap, missed a qualifier (got tripped up by the lack of Roman numerals in her entry). No, this one's her successor, who first appeared Nick Fury vs SHIELD




bigvis497

Jan 11, 2011, 04:56 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:

Crap, missed a qualifier (got tripped up by the lack of Roman numerals in her entry). No, this one's her successor, who first appeared Nick Fury vs SHIELD

Whoops! Slipped up there.

But wasn't she revealed as Val de Fontaine? It happened in Secret Warriors I think. She did get an entry in one of the recent updates.




Andy E. Nystrom

Jan 11, 2011, 05:20 pm

bigvis497 wrote:

Whoops! Slipped up there.

But wasn't she revealed as Val de Fontaine? It happened in Secret Warriors I think. She did get an entry in one of the recent updates.

I'm a bit behind on my Secret Warrior reading but while I understand de Fontaine is Madame Hydra now, I'd be surprised if she was retconned into being the specific Madame Hydra from Nick Fury vs SHIELD. For one thing both Fontaine and Madame Hydra appeared in many of the same issues (of Nick Fury vs SHIELD and the later Nick Fury Agent of SHIELD series), so there would likely be instances of her being in two places at once. Then there's the fact that this was a lesser Madame Hydra (Madame Hydra Six, so there were at least five Madame Hydra's above her; it would make sense that Fontaine was actually one of the unseen higher ones). Then there's the fact that this Madame Hydra was more than a little crazy and eventually blew herself up on purpose; it could be an elaborate impersonation but what would be the point of pretending to be this particular incarnation of Madame Hydra?




Sidney Osinga

Jan 11, 2011, 10:32 pm


Here's the Appendix entry for the Madame Hydra in question: http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/madamehydra.htm




Madison Carter

Jan 12, 2011, 02:00 am


Two things:

1. The Kronan race has been covered.
2. This list is going to be a helluva lot shorter after the next 4 projects we're working on.




Andy E. Nystrom

Jan 12, 2011, 05:07 am

Madison Carter wrote:

2. This list is going to be a helluva lot shorter after the next 4 projects we're working on.

Excellent news (both that four Handbooks are coming soon and that a lot of classic entries will get an update). Hmm, trying to think of themes that could knock off quite a few. Well, there's always a general book; also Thor, aliens/space, villains, Avengers, and, surprisingly, yet another x-book would clear this quite a bit. To a lesser degree also Captain America, Daredevil, Spider-Man.




Eduardo M.

Jan 12, 2011, 10:57 am

Madison Carter wrote:

2. This list is going to be a helluva lot shorter after the next 4 projects we're working on.

Any chance you could hint as to what those projects are? And when you say next 4 projects do you mean the upcoming Blockbusters of the MU and 3 other projects or the Blockbusters book plus 4 other projects?




captainswift

Jan 12, 2011, 01:02 pm

Eduardo M. wrote:

Any chance you could hint as to what those projects are? And when you say next 4 projects do you mean the upcoming Blockbusters of the MU and 3 other projects or the Blockbusters book plus 4 other projects?

I doubt Blockbusters will clear off any of the list at all, if it is, as I believe, entirely events. So hopefully, that's 4 upcoming projects to which we are not yet privy.




Stuart V

Jan 12, 2011, 01:42 pm

Eduardo M. wrote:

Any chance you could hint as to what those projects are? And when you say next 4 projects do you mean the upcoming Blockbusters of the MU and 3 other projects or the Blockbusters book plus 4 other projects?

We're not working on Blockbusters any more. It's already at the printers.




Phoenixx9

Jan 12, 2011, 04:05 pm

Eduardo M. wrote:

Any chance you could hint as to what those projects are? And when you say next 4 projects do you mean the upcoming Blockbusters of the MU and 3 other projects or the Blockbusters book plus 4 other projects?

And can you hint if they are my favorite type of books--Handbooks--or those other type, the Filebooks?

:shhh: You could just say "HB" or "FB" or if a combo, "3HB and 1FB"--that's not really telling us what you're working on!




Andy E. Nystrom

Jan 12, 2011, 09:21 pm

Phoenixx9 wrote:

And can you hint if they are my favorite type of books--Handbooks--or those other type, the Filebooks?

:shhh: You could just say "HB" or "FB" or if a combo, "3HB and 1FB"--that's not really telling us what you're working on!

I'm wagering they Madison does mean Handbooks because because my list includes characters who've appeared in Files books. So for them to be knocked off this list it would have to be in an actual Handbook.

Oh, and one caveat, because of the possibility of situations like Red Ronin in Update 5, I won't actually knock anyone off my list during the solicits, but once an issue is actually in my apartment I'll start trimming the list accordingly. Next time I update the list though (probably once an issue that removes characters is published) I'll note announced characters for other soliticited books.




Sidney Osinga

Jan 12, 2011, 10:29 pm

Andy, you could possibly remove the Soviet Super-Soldiers from Deluxe #12 and the Supreme Soviets from Update #7 as the Winter Guard entry did a good job of covering the groups predecessors (also including Siberforce) so it can be argued that they have already been covered.




Andy E. Nystrom

Jan 13, 2011, 01:01 am

Sidney Osinga wrote:

Andy, you could possibly remove the Soviet Super-Soldiers from Deluxe #12 and the Supreme Soviets from Update #7 as the Winter Guard entry did a good job of covering the groups predecessors (also including Siberforce) so it can be argued that they have already been covered.

Well, I've left in other borderline cases (e.g. Kosmosians, Asgard) so I'll hold off until they get a specific entry on their own. This is not a slight against the Winter Guard entry but rather the fact that it's fun to see defunct teams covered as themselves. Also there might be a different take if they're not presented in relation to a similar, subsequent team. And if they never get covered separately, well, thanks to Rom this list will probably never dwindle entirely to nothing anyway so that doesn't matter too much.




Roger Ott

Jan 13, 2011, 08:07 am

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:

thanks to Rom this list will probably never dwindle entirely to nothing anyway

I don't understand why Parker Brothers is still holding onto Rom so tightly. It's not as though they've done anything with the character in forever, and I'd really dig some new Rom stories. Marvel got the rights to reprint his OHOTMU entries in the Essentials a few years back, so maybe there's a small shred of hope...




bigvis497

Jan 13, 2011, 08:49 am

Roger Ott wrote:

I don't understand why Parker Brothers is still holding onto Rom so tightly. It's not as though they've done anything with the character in forever, and I'd really dig some new Rom stories. Marvel got the rights to reprint his OHOTMU entries in the Essentials a few years back, so maybe there's a small shred of hope...

Didn't Rom show up to Rick Jones's wedding? Or was it his bachelor party? One of the two. I remember he showed up sans armor, but was still mentioned as Rom.

Anyone know the deal behind that one? One would think that incident occured after the license expired as it happened around 93-94, long after Marvel produced the last Rom comic.

On a side note, if you look real closely you can see Rom in South Park's "Imaginationland" trilogy. Of all the characters to choose from, they add Rom. I got a kick out of that.




Eduardo M.

Jan 13, 2011, 11:01 am

bigvis497 wrote:

Didn't Rom show up to Rick Jones's wedding? Or was it his bachelor party? One of the two. I remember he showed up sans armor, but was still mentioned as Rom.

Anyone know the deal behind that one? One would think that incident occured after the license expired as it happened around 93-94, long after Marvel produced the last Rom comic.

Rom appeared w/out armor alongside Brandy Clark at Rick's wedding. Don't how Marvel pulled it off. I guess since he wasn't in armor it was easier. Kinda like how Death from the Endless did a cameo at the end of the issue but was seen from behind and never named




captainswift

Jan 13, 2011, 12:34 pm

Eduardo M. wrote:

Rom appeared w/out armor alongside Brandy Clark at Rick's wedding. Don't how Marvel pulled it off. I guess since he wasn't in armor it was easier. Kinda like how Death from the Endless did a cameo at the end of the issue but was seen from behind and never named

My understanding on the issue: Unlike G.I. Joe, Transformers, or Star Wars (whose owners claimed ownership of any characters created for those comics), Rom was licensed similarly to Godzilla or Micronauts, where anyone not from the original source belonged to Marvel. As the only character in the Rom toyline was, in fact, Rom, Marvel owns everybody else including unarmored Rom, as the toy didn't have an unarmored form.

So, technically, if they redesigned him and called him Silver Square-Head Man or somesuch, they could still use him. But what's the point of using Rom if he isn't Rom, ultimately?




Madison Carter

Jan 13, 2011, 02:43 pm

Phoenixx9 wrote:

And can you hint if they are my favorite type of books--Handbooks--or those other type, the Filebooks?

:shhh: You could just say "HB" or "FB" or if a combo, "3HB and 1FB"--that's not really telling us what you're working on!

They're definitely handbooks not files, but that's all I can say. Until things are officially announced we can't give any sort of hints or clues really, but I think it was safe and fair to say we're working on something at least.




Sidney Osinga

Jan 13, 2011, 02:57 pm

captainswift wrote:

My understanding on the issue: Unlike G.I. Joe, Transformers, or Star Wars (whose owners claimed ownership of any characters created for those comics), Rom was licensed similarly to Godzilla or Micronauts, where anyone not from the original source belonged to Marvel. As the only character in the Rom toyline was, in fact, Rom, Marvel owns everybody else including unarmored Rom, as the toy didn't have an unarmored form.

So, technically, if they redesigned him and called him Silver Square-Head Man or somesuch, they could still use him. But what's the point of using Rom if he isn't Rom, ultimately?

Also, Rom appeared in an issue of Universe X years ago, also unarmored.




Andy E. Nystrom

Jan 13, 2011, 03:16 pm

Roger Ott wrote:

I don't understand why Parker Brothers is still holding onto Rom so tightly. It's not as though they've done anything with the character in forever, and I'd really dig some new Rom stories. Marvel got the rights to reprint his OHOTMU entries in the Essentials a few years back, so maybe there's a small shred of hope...

I'm wondering if that was just a case of no one noticing that there shouldn't be an armoured Rom present; his Power Man and Iron First appearance was skipped in that Essential volume. <b>If</b> the armour's the only concern I wouldn't mind seeing a Handbook entry with stuff related to the armour omitted.




Phoenixx9

Jan 13, 2011, 04:30 pm

Madison Carter wrote:

They're definitely handbooks not files, but that's all I can say. Until things are officially announced we can't give any sort of hints or clues really, but I think it was safe and fair to say we're working on something at least.

Thanks Madison. That's all I wanted to know. Yah, HBS are coming! 4 of them in 2011!! :yeah:

If I had to guess, and I know you can't comment on this Madison, I would say the 4 HBs are:

1) Thor and Associates: Don't forget to add:
*Jane Foster including her goddess days and please mention her alternate future time as Thor known as Thordis
*Casiolena
*The Enchanters
*Fragon the Sorcerer
*Ollerus

2) either Captain America or the Avengers (containing Cap and some associates)

3) The X-Men (and various mutants and associates)

4) either The Fantastic Four or a Miscellaneous Book




Stuart V

Jan 13, 2011, 04:56 pm

Phoenixx9 wrote:

Thanks Madison. That's all I wanted to know. Yah, HBS are coming! 4 of them in 2011!! :yeah:

If I had to guess, and I know you can't comment on this Madison, I would say the 4 HBs are:

1) Thor and Associates: Don't forget to add:
*Jane Foster including her goddess days and please mention her alternate future time as Thor known as Thordis
*Casiolena
*The Enchanters
*Fragon the Sorcerer
*Ollerus

2) either Captain America or the Avengers (containing Cap and some associates)

3) The X-Men (and various mutants and associates)

4) either The Fantastic Four or a Miscellaneous Book

Madison may feel he can't comment, but I'm going to throw caution to the wind, and tell you at least one! Our next book is the Star Comics Handbook. Who knew? Don't tell anyone, but Marvel's next big film project is Star Comics, and they've signed Tom Cruise as Planet Terry and Robert DeNiro to play Top Dog. Hence a tie-in handbook. :howudoin:




Andy E. Nystrom

Jan 13, 2011, 07:35 pm

Stuart V wrote:

Madison may feel he can't comment, but I'm going to throw caution to the wind, and tell you at least one! Our next book is the Star Comics Handbook. Who knew? Don't tell anyone, but Marvel's next big film project is Star Comics, and they've signed Tom Cruise as Planet Terry and Robert DeNiro to play Top Dog. Hence a tie-in handbook. :howudoin:

I hear Marvel got back the rights for Healthcliff and he'll be getting an 8-pager in that handbook reconciling the continuities of the Star Comic, the comic strip, the cartoon series.




captainswift

Jan 13, 2011, 11:24 pm


I'm really hoping for "One-Shot Guys Who Did Something Funny in Less Than Three Panels" Handbook. Featuring the two garbagemen who freaked out when Beast and Iron Man threw some garbage away outside Avengers Mansion, the guy who was going be be known forever more as "The biggest liar in [insert whatever town I've forgotten here]" after the Hulk jumped over his car, and the Tenants Association that tried to get the Fantastic Four evicted and were scared off by the Thing.

I also hope there'll be a two page Appendix on why the heck people are still freaked out by rather mundane super-heroics despite the amount of alien invasions, giant rifts to Hell, and regular apocalypses that occur in the Marvel Universe.




Phoenixx9

Jan 14, 2011, 09:15 am

Stuart V wrote:

Madison may feel he can't comment, but I'm going to throw caution to the wind, and tell you at least one! Our next book is the Star Comics Handbook. Who knew? Don't tell anyone, but Marvel's next big film project is Star Comics, and they've signed Tom Cruise as Planet Terry and Robert DeNiro to play Top Dog. Hence a tie-in handbook. :howudoin:

Wow! Thanks for the Sneakity-Peekity, Stuart!

Whoda thunkit, Star Comics!

So, one of my guesses was wrong, hopefully that one being #4, the FF or Miscellaneous book, although a variety of Star Comics cast could definitely be defined as "Miscellaneous".

captainswift wrote:

I'm really hoping for "One-Shot Guys Who Did Something Funny in Less Than Three Panels" Handbook. Featuring the two garbagemen who freaked out when Beast and Iron Man threw some garbage away outside Avengers Mansion, the guy who was going be be known forever more as "The biggest liar in [insert whatever town I've forgotten here]" after the Hulk jumped over his car, and the Tenants Association that tried to get the Fantastic Four evicted and were scared off by the Thing.

I also hope there'll be a two page Appendix on why the heck people are still freaked out by rather mundane super-heroics despite the amount of alien invasions, giant rifts to Hell, and regular apocalypses that occur in the Marvel Universe.

And don't forget the two workmen who first carried Jocasta into Avengers Mansion, way back when. I think their names were like Mac and Meyer or something. Very funny panels--one says Jocasta is "beautiful, like a new car, or maybe a refrigerator."




bigvis497

Jan 14, 2011, 10:10 am

Phoenixx9 wrote:

Wow! Thanks for the Sneakity-Peekity, Stuart!

Whoda thunkit, Star Comics!

So, one of my guesses was wrong, hopefully that one being #4, the FF or Miscellaneous book, although a variety of Star Comics cast could definitely be defined as "Miscellaneous".

I'm pretty sure he's being sarcastic....




Stuart V

Jan 14, 2011, 11:29 am

bigvis497 wrote:

I'm pretty sure he's being sarcastic....

Playful, rather than sarcastic. But definitely not serious. I'd have hoped the movie casting info would have alerted anyone reading it that I was being tongue-in-cheek...

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:

I hear Marvel got back the rights for Healthcliff and he'll be getting an 8-pager in that handbook reconciling the continuities of the Star Comic, the comic strip, the cartoon series.

You heard right! It would discuss the infamous "Crisis of Infinite Heathcliffs" that merged the Star, comic strip and cartoon versions into Dark Heathcliff, who then battled the hastily assembled team of Garfield, Hobbes and Tigger for multiversal domination.




Phoenixx9

Jan 14, 2011, 11:49 am

bigvis497 wrote:

I'm pretty sure he's being sarcastic....

Stuart V wrote:

Playful, rather than sarcastic. But definitely not serious. I'd have hoped the movie casting info would have alerted anyone reading it that I was being tongue-in-cheek...

You heard right! It would discuss the infamous "Crisis of Infinite Heathcliffs" that merged the Star, comic strip and cartoon versions into Dark Heathcliff, who then battled the hastily assembled team of Garfield, Hobbes and Tigger for multiversal domination.

Oh I knew that. I was being playful as well. :kitty: That's why I said all of those Star Comics characters would fit in the "miscellaneous" character book! :giggle:

I still stick to my 4 predictions of what HBs are forthcoming. I believe those guesses are pretty much on target.




Andy E. Nystrom

Jan 19, 2011, 12:55 am


Looks like the most expected of the handbooks predicted in this thread (but desired nonetheless) is now official. Glad that I'll even be able to strike off the Nine Worlds entry. It won't knock any book off the list entirely but it will move things closer to that goal.




Andy E. Nystrom

Jan 23, 2011, 07:09 pm


Marvel Superhero Contest of Champions

This refers to the text section at the back of the issues. Thank you to Captain Swift for provided the information on this important addition, as it’s arguably the first appearance of the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe

#1
Acroyear (Micronaut; is he licensed?)
Aguila (F)
Blitzkrieg
Comet
Crimson Dynamo [Bukharin]
Devil (Micronaut; is he licensed?)

#2
Karkas
Microtron (Micronaut; is he licensed?)
Nanotron (Micronaut; is he licensed?)
Reject
Rom (arguably unavailable due to licensing)
Torpedo [Jones] (E)

#3
Biotron (Micronaut; is he licensed?)
Crimson Cavalier
Golden Girl [Sabuki]
Human Top [Mitchell]
Scarlet Scarab
Sir Steel and Silver Squire
Crimebuster
Red Raven [robot aspect of entry]
Thunderbolt (F)
American Eagle [Blue Eagle]
Astra (E)
Cap’n Hawk
Centurion
Charlie-27
Doctor Spectrum [Ledger]
Earthquake (E)
Firefall [Spaceknights]
Golden Archer
Hobgoblin [Shapeshifter] (E)
Horus
Hussar (E)
Impet
Javelin
Lady Lark
Manta (E)
Mentor [Imperial Guard] (E)
Mercurio
Nikki
Protector
Recorder
Smasher (E)
Starbolt (E)
Starshine [Spaceknight]
Tempest (E)
Tom Thumb
Whizzer [Stewart]
Combatra (Shogun Warrior; licensed?)
Domo
Futurist
Human Fly (no longer available due to licensing/real life person)
Iridia
Jann of the Jungle (no longer available; Electric Company character)
Karthon the Quester
Murdoch Adams
Raydeen (Shogun Warrior; licensed?)
Valkin




Stuart V

Jan 23, 2011, 07:28 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:

Acroyear (Micronaut; is he licensed?)

Yes.

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:

Devil (Micronaut; is he licensed?)

No

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:

Microtron (Micronaut; is he licensed?)
Nanotron (Micronaut; is he licensed?)

Yes and no (he is, she isn't afaik).

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:

Rom (arguably unavailable due to licensing)

Definitely unavailable due to licensing.

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:

Biotron (Micronaut; is he licensed?)

Yes.

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:

Combatra (Shogun Warrior; licensed?)

Yes.

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:

Jann of the Jungle (no longer available; Electric Company character)

No, Marvel character.
http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/j/jannatlas.htm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:

Raydeen (Shogun Warrior; licensed?)

Yes




captainswift

Jan 23, 2011, 08:08 pm


Also, you left out Danguard Ace (who is also unavailable due to licensing)




Andy E. Nystrom

Jan 23, 2011, 09:54 pm


Thank you for the clarifications, Stuart and Captain Swift. I know that there was some speculation of human Rom being available but I guess that was wishful thinking (I'm betting that at the time he appeared in Hulk in human form, his own comic may have been over, but the license hadn't expired).

I hadn't realized there were quite as many characters who had never gotten an official entry, however small, anywhere else. And unless Marvel regains certain licenses, this may well be it for certain characters.




Andy E. Nystrom

Mar 21, 2011, 08:48 pm

Madison Carter wrote:

This list is going to be a helluva lot shorter after the next 4 projects we're working on.

Okay, we know 3 of the 4 now: Thor, X-Men, Captain America. It will be interesting to see what the 4th one is. The above three are movie tie-ins; I think we can rule out a Green Lantern handbook. Avengers is still a possibility but if so it would probably mean three years in a row because more than likely there will be one next year. I hope it's an "out of left field" one, though I realize that they don't sell quite as well. They are just more fun to read.




Andy E. Nystrom

Apr 27, 2011, 06:26 pm


Deleted. I'm keeping the original starting posts for historical purposes but deleting the older updates because they serve no purpose and removing them makes the thread easier to wade through.




Eduardo M.

Apr 27, 2011, 07:13 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:

#30
Chord
Impala
Nobilus
Shalla Bal
Snowblind
X-Men’s Supporting Cast; also Warren K. Worthington, Jr.; Kathryn Worthington; Norton McCoy; Edna Andrews McCoy; Ted Roberts; Candance “Candy” Southern; William Robert Blake

Correct me if I'm wrong but isnt Candy Southern going to be in the upcoming X-Men handbook




Andy E. Nystrom

Apr 27, 2011, 07:36 pm

Eduardo M. wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong but isnt Candy Southern going to be in the upcoming X-Men handbook

You're right. She should have a plus sign beside her name.




captainswift

Apr 28, 2011, 02:11 am


And pretty soon, one of the Handbook writers will come along to tell you the next few months will see even more of those names disappear.




Andy E. Nystrom

May 28, 2011, 01:21 pm


Deleted. I'm keeping the original starting posts for historical purposes but deleting the older updates because they serve no purpose and removing them makes the thread easier to wade through.

Andy E. Nystrom

Jun 29, 2011, 04:50 pm


Deleted. I'm keeping the original starting posts for historical purposes but deleting the older updates because they serve no purpose and removing them makes the thread easier to wade through.




Andy E. Nystrom

Aug 10, 2011, 11:55 pm


I've updated this thread as a result of the Vampires announcement and the publication of Fear Itself. Updates can now be found at the top of the thread (material from the original first post can now be found in the second post).




Andy E. Nystrom

Sep 30, 2011, 09:08 am


Now updated to remove entries from the FF book




Andy E. Nystrom

Oct 26, 2011, 02:25 pm

Updated to factor in the Vampires book. Of the two remaining sub-entries in the Deluxe Edition, I decided the Appendix paragraph didn't really count as a full entry, and Blade Doppleganger didn't even merit an Appendix entry; if someone resembling Blade in his 1970s garb visits Handbook writers I'd hide real fast with plenty of crosses and holy water.




Andy E. Nystrom

Dec 7, 2011, 06:05 pm

Updated due to the new Spider-Man trade, thus striking off Green Goblin/Hamilton, Prowler/Cat, and Sin-Eater




Andy E. Nystrom

Dec 21, 2011, 06:36 pm

Updated to the Defenders book. Definitely a lot leaner now, unsurprising since someone whose weight is incalculable (Cloud) has been stricken from the list.




Andy E. Nystrom

May 13, 2012, 11:02 am

Updated to Avengers Roll Call. Alas, no title made a clean sweep. If the Handbooks do resume after a breather and there's a Hulk book, Master Edition #10 stands an excellent chance since only X-Ray is left, and a Fantastic Four book could conceivably take out #28 (Aron, Possessor - Possessor having met two of the team)




Andy E. Nystrom

May 30, 2012, 07:20 pm


Surprisingly, the last softcover actually knocked something off this list. Deleted the Genealogy of the House of Agon, which appears in the Inhumans update.
 
 
Historical text from CxPulp:
 
Andy E. Nystrom
11-14-2013, 09:38 AM
 
Bumping the Never Been Kissed threads so I can unstick them. Would people find it helpful if I added in alter egos above?
 
Andy E. Nystrom
10-11-2014, 02:37 PM
 
Corrected the list to remove Hangman (Roland) and add in Hangman (Krueger).
 
Stuart V
12-17-2014, 01:49 PM
 
A few to come off the list as of the publication of the Avengers Now handbook today.
 
Andy E. Nystrom
12-17-2014, 04:28 PM

Stuart V wrote:

A few to come off the list as of the publication of the Avengers Now handbook today.

 
I've definitely been making a mental list of which threads would likely need updating. I'll be combing this thread and the Encyclopedia/Files sister thread carefully for deletions, plus of course updating the Master List. And I get to update the Chronology thread too!
 
 
Andy E. Nystrom
12-17-2014, 07:51 PM
 
Executioner: Accidentally omitted before. Point moot now.
Magnitron (Yong-Rogg): no prior entry, just headshots
Nikki: With her entry, only material left from first series #8 are the Alien Races and Appendix sections
Triton: updated
Wrecker: updated; he and Executioner were the only characters from Avengers Log needing striking this time
Silver Sable (Ernest): no prior entry
 
 
Andy E. Nystrom
10-28-2015, 04:01 PM
 
Lots of deletions due to the Secret Wars Guide:
Amphibian
Chief Examiner
Killraven’s Freemen (sub-entries remain)
Kurse
Tyler Stone
Thunderball
Volcana
Weirdworld
 

Removed the Blue Area from the list.