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mal32 · 9/25/2022 11:38 pm

A question:
RVcousin
on
Jan 10, 2012, 05:17 pm
asked this:
I also remember having from the Onslaught/Heroes Reborn era 4 one-shots :
Captain America : The Legend, Fantastic Four : The Legend, Thor : The Legend and Iron Man : The Legend. They have each interviews, chronologies, best and worst moments recaps and many other good and funny stuffs about the character's history, including mini-portraits on their allies, friends wirst enemies, lamest enemies, loves, ...
For those who knows this books and this list, What do you think ? Must I list them for adding them into the list ?

But I don't see replies, so I ask it another time:
Do you think we could add the interesting stuff from the 1996:
CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE LEGEND
FANTASTIC FOUR: THE LEGEND
IRON MAN: THE LEGEND
THOR: THE LEGEND
?

mal32 · 9/29/2022 12:16 am

Spider-Man's Costumes ME4S 2 as Costumes; SpM04 2 as Spider-Man’s Costumes
is missing the two pages from Amazing Spider-Man v1 #544:
Classic red and blue, alien symbiote, classic black, Electro-proof, Spider-Armor, Spider-Man revised, the Amazing Spider-Bag, Stark Industries' armored fighting suit

zuckyd1 · 9/29/2022 12:13 pm

mal32 wrote:
A question:
RVcousin
on
Jan 10, 2012, 05:17 pm
asked this:
I also remember having from the Onslaught/Heroes Reborn era 4 one-shots :
Captain America : The Legend, Fantastic Four : The Legend, Thor : The Legend and Iron Man : The Legend. They have each interviews, chronologies, best and worst moments recaps and many other good and funny stuffs about the character's history, including mini-portraits on their allies, friends wirst enemies, lamest enemies, loves, ...
For those who knows this books and this list, What do you think ? Must I list them for adding them into the list ?

But I don't see replies, so I ask it another time:
Do you think we could add the interesting stuff from the 1996:
CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE LEGEND
FANTASTIC FOUR: THE LEGEND
IRON MAN: THE LEGEND
THOR: THE LEGEND
?

I have these and can check into them, but from what I remember they may be better suited to the pin-ups thread.

zuckyd1 · 9/29/2022 12:32 pm

X-MEN #15 Cover C (Nov 2022)
Forge 1

zuckyd1 · 10/19/2022 4:31 pm

X-MEN #16 Cover C (Dec 2022)
Havok 1

mal32 · 10/26/2022 7:13 am

Aurora (Jeanne-Marie Beaubier) CoC #1, Orig #1 head (Alpha Flight), Orig #1 1, Del #1 head (Alpha Flight), Del #1 2, ...

In Deluxe #8's DATA CORRECTIONS it is explained that omitted from the text was: Origin: ALPHA FLIGHT #9 and that the speed of light should have read 186,272 miles per second, not 286,272
so to Aurora we could add: Del #8 datac

mal32 · 10/30/2022 12:30 am

Fantastic Four Signal Device Orig #15 ½
and
Fantasti-Flare ME6FF App
is the same thing and the two above voices could be united together

Last edited by mal32 (10/30/2022 8:46 am)

zuckyd1 · 10/30/2022 10:17 am

THUNDERBOLTS #2 Cover D (Nov 2022)
America Chavez 1

THUNDERBOLTS #3 Cover B (Dec 2022)
Power Man 1

zuckyd1 · 11/12/2022 3:04 pm

Polythemus Hardc #9 App (Olympians as Olympians: Demi-Gods, Heroes & Other Mythological Figures)

should be Polyphemus

zuckyd1 · 11/21/2022 10:49 am

THUNDERBOLTS #4 Cover B (Jan 2023)
Spectrum 1

mal32 · 12/04/2022 10:24 am

Atlantis (Empire of Atlantis) Orig #1 1, Del #1 2, ...

In Deluxe #8's DATA CORRECTIONS it is explained that the map shows the "Former site of Attilan" as southeast of Iceland while the Attilan entry indicates it is southwest of Iceland; they explain that the map is in error.
so to ATLANTIS we could add: Del #8 datac

Andy E. Nystrom · 12/04/2022 1:53 pm

mal32 wrote:
Atlantis (Empire of Atlantis) Orig #1 1, Del #1 2, ...

In Deluxe #8's DATA CORRECTIONS it is explained that the map shows the "Former site of Attilan" as southeast of Iceland while the Attilan entry indicates it is southwest of Iceland; they explain that the map is in error.
so to ATLANTIS we could add: Del #8 datac

I'll catch up on these in the near future but just wanted to thank you for reminding me: I'm planning to add Data Corrections info to all relevant profiles the way I would for Appendix style profiles. I just want to catch up on a few other things first.

mal32 · 12/06/2022 6:29 am

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
mal32 wrote:
Atlantis (Empire of Atlantis) Orig #1 1, Del #1 2, ...

In Deluxe #8's DATA CORRECTIONS it is explained that the map shows the "Former site of Attilan" as southeast of Iceland while the Attilan entry indicates it is southwest of Iceland; they explain that the map is in error.
so to ATLANTIS we could add: Del #8 datac
I'll catch up on these in the near future but just wanted to thank you for reminding me: I'm planning to add Data Corrections info to all relevant profiles the way I would for Appendix style profiles. I just want to catch up on a few other things first.

Do you need I go on listing them all or do you prefer to do it by yourself?

Andy E. Nystrom · 12/06/2022 7:42 am

I can handle the Data Corrections bits as I have every issue of the Handbooks.

zuckyd1 · 12/06/2022 3:42 pm

X-MEN #17 Cover B (Jan 2023)
Firestar 1

mal32 · 12/18/2022 12:17 am

About:
Phantom Rider (Hamilton Slade) CoC #2, Orig #8 1, Orig #9 head (Rangers) as Night Rider; Del #5 2 as Ghost Rider; Mas #22 2, AvLog, ANew #8 3, Hardc #5 head (Initiative), Hardc #8 3, CWBat App as Phantom Rider

Could we add that in the Official Handbook of the MARVEL UNIVERSE Deluxe Edition trade paperback #5 the Hamilton Slade's profile has been printed as PHANTOM RIDER instead of GHOST RIDER?
Adding:
Dtpb #5 2 (as Phantom Rider)

Last edited by mal32 (12/18/2022 12:17 am)

mal32 · 12/20/2022 1:51 am

About:
Black Knight (Nathan Garrett) Orig #2 App, Del #8 head (Masters of Evil), Del #16 2, Aven #300 head/caps (Avengers Roster as Avengers Membership), Mas #14 2, AvLog, ME4S App, Hardc #6 head (Legion of the Unliving), Hardc #7 head (Masters of Evil)

and

Black Knight (Dane Whitman) CoC #1, Orig #1 head (Avengers), Orig #2 1, Del #1 head (Avengers), Del #2 3, Del #8 head (Masters of Evil), Mas #7 2, Mas #17 caps (Avengers Roster as Avengers Membership Roster), AvLog, Av04 head (Avengers Roster), Av05 3, Hardc #1 head (Avengers), Hardc #1 4, Hardc #5 head (Heroes for Hire/Oracle Inc.), Hardc #6 head (Legion of the Unliving), Hardc #7 head (Masters of Evil), HeroH ⅓, AZsc #1 ⅓, AvNow App (Avengers)

MUUp #5 2
is to be added to Black Knight (Nathan Garrett)

Aven #300 head/caps (Avengers Roster as Avengers Membership)
is to take off from Black Knight (Nathan Garrett) and to be added to Black Knight (Dane Whitman)

Andy E. Nystrom · 1/03/2023 1:40 pm

Finally catching up on these:

mal32 wrote:
mal32 wrote:
About OTHERWORLD and AVALON: Avalon is a place inside the Otherworld Dimension, so I think we could unite:
Avalon (mystic dimension) Del #6 App, MTar caps (Planes Prelude), Hardc #12 App
together with:
Otherworld EncM 2, Hardc #14 5

I see you added "see Avalon" to Otherworld, perfect, but could you add also "see Otherworld" to Avalon (mystic dimension), as well? And maybe you could add the complete "see Avalon (mystic dimension) to Otherworld

Given that Avalon is within Otherworld, it probably makes sense to separate it out to be consistent with other locales. For instance, Manhattan, United States of America, and Earth-616 are catalogued separately even though Manhattan is within the USA which is within Earth-616. I am fine tuning the descriptor for Avalon, however.

Andy E. Nystrom · 1/03/2023 2:04 pm

mal32 wrote:
mal32 wrote:
In the KEY in the LIST we read:
InIrM: Invincible Iron Man
but in the list there is not any mention to InIrm
may I ask you what is missing about InIrm ?
I have found this:

InIrM #290 Stark Enterprises Technical Database 7 pages
1 - General overview
2 - General systems schematic front elevation
3 - Rear and side elevation, operational notes
4 - Primary sensor cluster internal schematic
5 - User interface headset general schematic
6 - Telepresence control communication network schematic
7 - Telepresence control user interface display

InIrM #300: Stark Enterprises employees biographies 5 pages
1 - intro
2 - administration: Felix Ricardo Alvarez and Bambina Teresa Arbogast
3 - engineering: Abraham Paul Zimmer and HOMER (Heuristically Operative Matrix Emulation Rostrum)
4 - medical: Erica Friederika Sondheim and Victoria Michelle Benning
5 - operations: Harold Joseph Hogan and Bethany Camilla Cabe

InIrM v3 44 (389): Sketch of Iron Man's new armor and its features (on letter page) less then a page

InIrM v5 20 (489) reprints the 9 pages from Invincible Iron Man Saga

There is something else in IRON MAN series?

May I ask why nothing of the above informations had been added? I am curious, sorry

They're in the Posters thread due to the looser nature.

Andy E. Nystrom · 1/03/2023 2:30 pm

mal32 wrote:
Kingo see Kingo Sunen
should be:
Kingo see Sunen, Kingo

For cross-references I've been doing things first name first so as to not imply you need to go to two separate profiles.

Andy E. Nystrom · 1/03/2023 2:35 pm

mal32 wrote:
About:
Daughters of the Dragon CoC #3, Orig #3 App, ME4S App; see also Misty Knight; Colleen Wing
Knight, Misty ... ANew #3 1 1st page of 2-page Daughters of the Dragon entry ...
Wing, Colleen ... ANew #3 1 2nd page of 2-page Daughters of the Dragon entry

the profile of the DAUGHTERS OF THE DRAGON in All-New Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe A-Z (ANew) #3 talks about Misty Knight and Collen Wing but also about their shared history as both the Daughters of the Dragon and Nightwing Restorations, so maybe we could have:
Daughters of the Dragon CoC #3, Orig #3 App, ME4S App; ANew #3 2 also as shared pages as Misty Knight and Colleen Wing; see also Misty Knight; Colleen Wing

My copy is misfiled at the moment but going from memory didn't each character have a separate history section? \If so then there's no real overlap between the two profiles beyond the umbrella name.

Andy E. Nystrom · 1/03/2023 3:44 pm

mal32 wrote:
U-231 (Frank Hoag; Earth-93060) UlOr #1 1

He is better known as Sludge

Has he had a profile as Sludge anywhere?

Andy E. Nystrom · 1/03/2023 4:10 pm

mal32 wrote:
Jones, Jessica (Jessica Campbell Jones) ME1 2, ME5MK ⅓, Dar04 2, YngAv 1, Hardc #6 2,
is missing this one:
Young Avengers ( #1) Director’s Cut as Jessica Jones 1

No, it's in there, right after Daredevil 2004

Andy E. Nystrom · 1/03/2023 4:17 pm

mal32 wrote:
In the Deluxe Edition #6's front cover there is "CONSTANT DILEMMA" editorial in which Mark Gruenwald shows the correct main images of Angel's and Cyclops's profiles, then full corrected in the Dtpb #2 and 3, so we could add to:

Archangel (Warren Worthington III) CoC #1, Orig #1 1, Orig #3 head (Defenders), Orig #12 head (X-Men), Orig #13 head (Champions), Del #1 2, ...

and to:
Cyclops (Scott Summers) CoC #1, Orig #3 1, Orig #12 head (X-Men), Del #3 3, ...

this:
Del #6 (updated main image in CONSTANT DILEMMA)

Since it's just the images, I don't think that warrants a separate note/

However, you are catching quite a few I missed (particularly variant cover versions from the Sightings), so you'll see a lot of your suggestions next update.

Andy E. Nystrom · 1/03/2023 4:33 pm

zuckyd1 wrote:
THUNDERBOLTS #3 Cover B (Dec 2022)
Power Man 1

Which Power Man?

Andy E. Nystrom · 1/04/2023 2:10 am

mal32 wrote:
I am sorry but I don't see added Seth (Seth Phalkon aka Seth the Immortal), one page, from Marc Spector, Moon Knight #58 (January 1994);
and when I talked about the four pages profile of four of Moon Knight's helicopters named "Four beautiful copters! Count them - four!" I forgot to add that they appear in Moon Knight #27 (January 1983)

Is the former in Handbook format or the looser Posters style format? Marc Spector #57 has profiles for Cadre and Manx in the Poster thread. Is the Seth profile in a similar format?

I found the helicopters profile in Essential Moon Knight v2 and that one definitely goes in the Posters thread. It'll be in the next update there..

Andy E. Nystrom · 1/04/2023 12:54 pm

I think I figured out from an online image which Power Man is on the Thunderbolts variant cover. I've added in various corrections from mal32 and zuckyd1. Data Corrections and Updates folded in up to Update '89 #8. will tackle Master Edition corrections later.

Andy E. Nystrom · 1/04/2023 12:55 pm

I also added the Marvel Visions: Pride material from its own thread.

Andy E. Nystrom · 1/04/2023 3:53 pm

One Data Correction in Update '89 #5 is for an alien race misnamed Herbinites, which doesn't seem to be a Marvel race. My best guess is they meant Korbinites but if anyone has a better suggestion let me know.

mal32 · 1/06/2023 1:45 am

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
One Data Correction in Update '89 #5 is for an alien race misnamed Herbinites, which doesn't seem to be a Marvel race. My best guess is they meant Korbinites but if anyone has a better suggestion let me know.

Reading the kind of error, I agree with you, they meant Korbinites