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This was something I started on in Capes (Optional) in 2015, but only got as far as Goldfinger. Since people on these boards seem interested in continuity, I thought it might be a nice fit here, despite the minimal ties between Bond and Marvel. I’ve expanded this to Diamonds are Forever, and will continue the analysis through to SPECTRE, and eventually No Time to See the Sequel Due to the Virus.
A popular theory out there is that in the official movies, not only 007 but even the name James Bond are code names for various secret agents as they are killed or incapacitated, or simply leave MI6/Her Majesty’s Secret Service. This series looks at the evidence from the various Eon Productions movies.
First off, a word about five key non-canonical Bond series and why they aren’t examined more closely. First off the big reason is they’re not part of the official series. Beyond that: The Casino Royale episode of Climax! treated Bond as an American secret agent. The original Casino Royale big screen movie, while it fits in nicely with the pro-code name side is a comedy that isn’t easily integrated into the core series, especially the ending. Never Say Never Again, while featuring former Bond Sean Connery, is a remake of Thunderball. The cartoon series James Bond Jr. focuses on his nephew and not on Bond himself. And the GoldenEye TV movie is set in a pseudo real world where Bond is an ornithologist, not a spy.
Proponents of this theory believe that every time a new actor is cast as Bond, it’s a different character. If casting is that important an element to the theory, I think it’s also worth looking at all instances where an actor has been recast, not just Bond himself. However, to avoid getting into minutiae and derailing the analysis, voice actors dubbing multiple characters will not be examined.
Dr. No (1962)
Casting:
For this movie there are six recurring characters (in one case just barely so): James Bond (Sean Connery), CIA agent Felix Leiter (Jack Lord), Bond’s boss M (Bernard Lee), Bond’s would be girlfriend Sylvia Trench (Eunice Gayson, voices by Nikki Van der Zyl), M’s secretary Miss Moneypenny (Lois Maxwell), and Bond’s equipment source (though not the gadgeteer he would later become) Major Boothroyd (Peter Burton). As this is the first appearance of all in the Eon series, there is no actor switch to consider at this early stage.
Other Evidence:
Bond right from his first scene throws out the name James Bond. As he does throughout the series, he is already pretty free with using this name publicly given his profession. Given that this is more or less a constant, it will not be examined further unless there is new information to examine.
The James Bond as code name theory raises the issue of why whoever is using the James Bond code name also consistently used then 007 code name and vice versa. Again, both names are used throughout the series so this also won’t be discussed unless there is new information.
Bond continues to use the name James Bond even when not in the field. While the obvious implication is that Bond therefore is his real name, it could also be the case that MI6 is particularly tight with security. Once again he is referred to as both Bond and 007 throughout the series during mission briefings.
From Russia with Love (1963)
Casting:
The characters mentioned above reappear except Leiter (though he returns later). However, Sylvia, again played by Gayson/Van der Zyl disappears from the movies after this movie. Therefore, while not a bad character, she’s of no consequence to this particular debate. Connery, Lee, Maxwell also reprise their roles. While Dr. No is referenced, he does not actually appear.
Two new recurring characters debuts here: an as yet identified man (played by Anthony Dawson and voiced by Eric Pohlmann) stroking a white cat, and the cat itself. Casting information on the cat is not readily available and for the most part thus will not be examined in this series except in reference to the character below. It is probable however that many cats were used in the series.
Anthony Dawson is an interesting case as he played a different character in the first Bond movie. Normally the logical extreme conclusion of the James Bond as code name theory would be that different characters played by the same actor are in fact the same person. However, since Dawson is only partly seen, we can make allowances as we would for stunt doubles.
Desmond Llewellyn becomes the first instance of a character being recast, taking over from Peter Burton. While he would be known as Q in most of his appearances, in this film he is referred to as Major Boothroyd as per the first film. So if James Bond is a code name, it stands to reason that Major Boothroyd is also a second code name. This raises the question as to why someone who is rarely in the field (Boothroyd being the man who equips Bond with vehicles and gadgets) would need two code names.
Goldfinger (1964)
Casting:
Connery, Lee, Maxwell, and Llewellyn all return, with Llewellyn now credited as Q, the code name of Major Boothroyd. Taking the Bond as code name theory to its extreme, this is the first time that Bond's gadget man took on a second code name. Llewellyn is known as Q here on in.
Cec Linder takes over as Felix Leiter, Bond’s main American ally from Jack Lord. Taking the Bond as code name theory to its logical conclusion suggests that Felix Leiter is also a code name. However, after Dr. No, Bond seems to have familiarity with one another. If Bond and Leiter are in fact code names, people taking on the two code names seem to have a fairly easy time striking up a friendship with one another.
Thunderball (1965)
Casting:
Connery, Lee, Maxwell, Llewellyn, and, after a movie’s absence, Dawson all return, the latter in his most recent role. This time Rik Van Nutter is Leiter. See Goldfinger above for my thoughts there.
You Only Live Twice (1967)
Casting:
Connery, Lee, Maxwell, and Llewellyn all return. The mysterious man with the cat is now revealed to be Ernst Stavro Blofeld. Now that he appears fully on screen, Donald Pleasence takes over the role. As noted above the casting change doesn’t necessarily provide evidence either way, as Dawson was basically a stand-in until the reveal.
On Her Majesty’s Secret Service (1969)
Casting:
Lee, Maxwell, and Llewellyn all return. George Lazenby takes over as Bond here, albeit for just one movie. At the start of the movie he breaks the fourth wall and remarks to the viewers, “This never happened to the other guy”. This is probably the strongest evidence in the pro-code name theory. However, there are potential alternate explanations: It could be seen as an aside and not a true part of the movie (more of an acknowledgement that in 1969 the cast change is a very big deal), or he could be referring to the other actor rather than the other character. Of course, if he is a separate Bond, it could be that he’s the only one with the power to detect the viewers.
Blofeld is now played by Telly Savalas. If Bond is a code name, Blofeld could also be a code name by whoever happens to be leading SPECTRE. Like the previous Blofeld, this Blofeld's sole redeeming factor seems to be a fondness for a white cat.
It is interesting that Bond and Blofeld act like they’ve never met before (going from memory the movie seems a bit non-committal here). This in a way supports the idea that both are code names, but from a continuity standpoint it’s a bit puzzling: if this is a new Bond, he should have at least been briefed about Blofeld and recognized the name, and Blofeld should have been aware that a James Bond thwarted SPECTRE’s previous scheme.
In addition, Moneypenny seems a bit sad about Bond getting married. Certainly it's possible to have feelings for more than one person at the same time or within a short timeframe, but it's still a point in the same person favour.
Diamonds are Forever (1971)
Casting:
Lee, Maxwell, and Llewellyn all return, as does Connery after a movie’s absence. If you believe that Bond is a code name, then it seems that either multiple agents can use the code name or that a former user of the name can pick it up again after it’s been abandoned by a successor. Leiter is now played by Norman Burton (see my thoughts under Goldfinger). Blofeld is now played by Charles Gray, and it seems clear that both of them know each other, which would suggest that Blofeld at the very least is the earlier character or that there was an unseen adventure in between. This Blofeld as well shared his predessors fondness of white cats should he be a different character.
Other Evidence:
Spoilers to the ending of On Her Majesty’s Secret Service:
At the start of this movie, Bond seems to have a vendetta against Blofeld. He is noticeably angrier than usual. While this could just be due to the events of You Only Live Twice, it makes even more sense for Bond to be that angry if Blofeld was responsible for the murder of Bond’s wife Tracy, as seen at the end of On Her Majesty’s Secret Service. Her murder is not mentioned overtly, and Bond seems calmer when he encounters Blofeld later, but it could be that at the start of the movie he got his rage out of his system. Here’s the sequence; brief breasts if that’s a concern:
Moonraker (1979)As Anya Amasova summarizes Bond’s history, Bond cuts her off after she says “Wife killed...” While Moore’s Bond could simply be another spy whose wife was killed in action, the obvious implication is that it’s Tracy that Amasova is referring to. The scene:
At the start of the movie, Bond is visiting Tracy's grave, suggesting he at least knew her well enough to visit her grave. Since Tracy is part of a crime family, it's certainly possible that she encountered Moore's Bond prior to Lazenby's, but it's a reach. If she did, it's likely the encounter happened before Moore's character assumed the code name, as most people would remark if they met someone with an identical name to someone else they knew. In addition, the man with the white cat targets Bond there. This makes more sense if he's Blofeld and Bond is the same one from On Her Majesty's Secret Service: As Blofeld was responsible for Tracy's death, he would thus know that sooner or later Bond would visit Tracy's grave. If this is a different Bond, it's less intuitive to search for Bond here. It also would mean that the main with the white cat seen here had some offscreen reason for wanting to target this Bond specifically. Tracy’s grave also references the song We Have All the Time in the World from the movie, which was also dialogue in that movie. Here is the scene from this movie:
Andrea is murdered by Scaramanga in The Man With the Golden Gun. If she somehow got revived, perhaps by Baron Samedi from Live and Let Die, it might explain why she doesn't recognize Bond but not why he doesn't recognize her.
When Leiter’s bride Della Churchill suggests that Bond will get married at some point, there’s an awkward moment and Leiter explains that Bond was married once. While this could be a Bond who was widowed/divorced offscreen, the scene has more of an emotional impact to it if Leiter is referring specifically to Tracy. Here is the scene:
At one point, Alec Trevelyan taunts Bond, asking him if he’s “found forgiveness in the arms of all those willing women for the dead ones you failed to protect?” This noticeably makes Bond uncomfortable, and works best if he’s thinking of Tracy (as well as the various other non-villain women who have died because they met Bond), than if he’s a new character who has lost female companions on offscreen missions. 4 1/2 minutes into this video:
We are also introduced to a new Q, played by Ben Whishaw. Bond figures out in mid-conversation that he must be Q, suggesting he is familiar with Q being a series of operatives of which the Whislaw version is the latest; this still works with either theory though it does to a slight degree work better with the Bond as code name theory. Naomie Harris appears as Eve Moneypenny. This could be another code name or another daughter (or granddaughter, still using the same surname) as the earlier Moneypenny, but her being the new Moneypenny of the new continuity is probably the simplest explanation.After M dies, Mallory takes over as the new M, the first, and only to date, overt case of a code name transferring from one character to another.
This movie features the first appearance of Léa Seydoux as Madeleine, arguably the first true romantic interest to appear in more than one movie (any interest the Loix Maxwell version of Moneypenny had was purely one sided, While Sylvia Trench never went beyond "had potential".Dench also returns in a recording.
he is revealed to be Blofeld. Bond seems unaware of any previous Blofelds; if this was the previously continuity he likely would have known of past Blofelds and been shocked that one had a personal connection to him. In addition, as with Kincaide in the previous movie, Blofeld seems to know him solely as Bond despite knowing him in his youth. Blofeld’s white cat is obviously a new character; the white cat(s) seen previously, if they survived clashes with Bond would be dead of old age by now.
Other Evidence:This version of James Bond actually dies at the end of the movie, so if this continuity appears again in any context, it will obviously provide new evidence for or against the James Bond as code name theory. New characters Nomi and Paloma could certainly appear in new movies set in a world where Bond is dead should Eon wish to revisit this continuity without negating the movie's ending Bond's death by itself isn't evidence either way; the next movie could be a fresh use of the code name or be set in a brand hnew continuity. It'll be the use or lack thereof of actors from Daniel Craig era movies that detremine the implications for this theory
So future movies will determine if and how this movie is evidence either way.The use of the song We Have All the Time in the World from On Her Majesty's Secret Service is a clever combination of misdirect and forehadowing but it probably falls short of being evidence either way.
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While I appreciate that you are only part way through your analysis, and am interested to see the rest, I'm going to throw my thoughts out now anyway.
I'm very much of the "Bond is his name, 007 his codename." As you noted, in Diamonds Are Forever
To me, that one thread is enough to confirm all those movies feature the same character, not a string of men using the same codename.Connery's Bond starts by pursuing a vendetta against Blofeld for the murder of Teresa, Lazenby Bond's wife. That makes little sense if he's not the same man. Likewise, in The Spy Who Loved Me, Moore's Bond is noted as being a widower - okay, not something that confirmed it's Teresa and not a different wife of a different man, but circumstantial evidence. But then in For Your Eyes Only, Moore's Bond visits Teresa's grave - why would he do that if he's a different man? And there is confirmation that Dalton's Bond is a widower in License to Kill, and hints of it in Goldeneye.
props scene in Die Another Day, where gadgets from the previous movies are shown and Bond clearly seems to recognise them, something he couldn't do if they had been used by other men who just had the same codename.
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I won't say which position I favour just yet as I want to seem as objective as possible when writing these. I do have a strong leaning in one particular direction, but I I want to be as fair as I can to the other point of view.
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Added Moneypenny notes to OHMSS and DAF and updated to Man With the Golden Gun.
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Revised some of the earlier posts (revised what I wrote on the white cat and added in notes on JW Pepper to TMWtGG) and nupdated to Living Daylights.
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Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Revised some of the earlier posts (revised what I wrote on the white cat and added in notes on JW Pepper to TMWtGG) and nupdated to Living Daylights.
It might be worth considering that Moneypenny in Living Daylights could be the daughter of the original - if we assumed that all the Bonds prior to Craig are the same man, just an increasingly well preserved one, then Living Daylights' Moneypenny not being so attracted to him makes sense - she puts up with his flirting because she recognizes it's not serious, but "ew, you're not only old enough to be my dad, but also my mum has a crush on you and you flirt with her too." It would be entirely feasible that she's followed her mother into the service in a similar role.
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Loki wrote:
Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Revised some of the earlier posts (revised what I wrote on the white cat and added in notes on JW Pepper to TMWtGG) and nupdated to Living Daylights.
It might be worth considering that Moneypenny in Living Daylights could be the daughter of the original - if we assumed that all the Bonds prior to Craig are the same man, just an increasingly well preserved one, then Living Daylights' Moneypenny not being so attracted to him makes sense - she puts up with his flirting because she recognizes it's not serious, but "ew, you're not only old enough to be my dad, but also my mum has a crush on you and you flirt with her too." It would be entirely feasible that she's followed her mother into the service in a similar role.
I hadn't thought of that but it does make sense. And if Moneypenny had a daughter without being married (she's explicitly called Miss Moneypenny throughout the earlier movies), it's possible that Moneypenny is a surname for both of them and not a code name, since not all daughters of single moms have their father's surname. I'll add that in next update.
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I've added to Dr. No and The Spy Who Loved Me through The Living Daylights. Note in particular the new Other Evidence section for The Spy Who Loved Me. I've also added Licence to Kill to Die Another Day.
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Here is the scene I initially overlooked from The Spy Who Loved Me, with spoilers to On Her Majesty's Secret Service. It's some of Roger Moore's best acting.
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Completed up to SPECTRE! If people have additional thoughts, I'll add them in, but otherwise, this is my entire examination on the subject for now, at least until the virus lets No Time To Die get released.
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Added in video links to references in later movies to On Her Majesty's Secret Service.
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Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Either way you have to stretch things somewhat, and for the not code name theory there’s the matter of Bond getting deaged from time to time in the first era.
I used to think the same, or that we'd have to assume some level of sliding timescale so that the movies don't happen when they were released in cinemas, but more recently came to the conclusion that this isn't actually necessary. We do have to assume that we "squint" a little when we look at the actors to get round different people playing Bond and a few others, but Doctor No to Die Another Day could actually all work in a single continuity and with each film set at the time they were released. Here's how it could work:
M is a codename, and we see multiple Ms through the run. The M first seen in Octopussy was played by Robert Brown, who had previously appeared in The Spy Who Loved Me as Admiral Hargreaves, RN, so it's entirely reasonable to assume that Hargreaves has become the new M.
Q is likewise a codename, and we've seen two (maybe three). Since both Peter Burton and Robert Llewellyn were called Major Boothroyd, they probably were the same character (though it's not impossible that two siblings reached the same army rank and both joined Q Branch, it's somewhat of a stretch). John Cleese is an explicit replacement, having previously appeared as R.
We have two Miss Moneypennys, mother and daughter, as I suggested above.
One Blofeld, doing a lot of plastic surgery between movies - we got explicit confirmation he did this at least once, in Diamonds Are Forever, so no reason he couldn't have done it twice.
And as for Bond, once you "squint" to ignore the changing appearance with each new actor, the only real problem is his age. But hang on, let's assume that Bond in Doctor No (1962) is only in his early 20s (as opposed to Connery, who was early 30s at the time). That'd be a bit young to have achieved 00 status, but not impossible. Then in Die Another Day (2002), he'd be in his early 60s. Too old for his antics as depicted on screen?
Here's Tom Cruise, 56, filming Mission Impossible 7:
Jackie Chan, 66, in Vanguard (2020)
And there's plenty more where they came from - Keanu Reeves (56), Mark Dacascos (56), Donnie Yen (57), etc. All actors, true, but also ones who did most of their own stunts, and who are genuinely extremely fit and great fighters. And for those who might suggest, "yeah, but they don't take the kind of damage Bond would have over the years; that'd age someone" look again at Jackie Chan and his history of injuries. Despite breaking most of the bones in his body at one point or another, and having suffered some extremely severe injuries, he's managed to recover and continue undaunted.
So is it really impossible for Bond to have been an active agent from, say, 22 in 1962 until 62 in 2002?
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Good point, and that might explain why we stopped following Bond at 2002. After that point his health might have started to fail him enough to take him off the field due to all the punishment he put himself through (though I must admit I'd love to see that Bond return and see how he'd address the metoo movement; having someone as old has him having decades old values questioned would make for an interesting arc).
For that matter, the change in actors could, save for Lazenby, be the result of him having plastic surgery due to injuries and then notifying anyone who needed to know. Obviously the Lazenby case has to be chalked up to real world considerations as Connery resumed the rule after him, and for him to resume his old face with such precision would require extra explanations but the other instances could be explained away that way. Ditto Leiter; the single instance of his returning to an earlier face might have been him retiring and being allowed to return to a preferred look as a parting gift for his decades of service, and perhaps made him easier to be targeted.
Either way though, the Bond as code name theory falls apart if examined too closely.
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I finally saw No Time to Die. The first post updated to reflect that, including adding a bit more to Spectre.