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Andy E. Nystrom · 1/21/2023 9:14 am

Note: I’m currently going through the material in the Non-Marvel thread so this will expand as I go through these. Currently up to Mar 2, 2012 so feel fee to make corrections on posts up to that point but not after just yet.I'll add in first letter shortcuts later. From here on out if a resource is completely Marvel, place it here instead of the Non-Marvel thread. For mixed resources (e.g. Jeff Rovin’s Encyclopedia of Superheroes), you can list everything in the non-Marvel thread, but for the Marvel-specific material in such a mix, either list just the Marvel stuff here or make a note for me to check the non-Marvel thread for the mixture. Let me know if you have any questions.

This lists characters profiled in both authorized and unauthorized works on Marvel that aren’t actually published by Marvel. In some cases the entire work is Marvel related, other times just select characters. Characters are listed in the same way they are in the Master List if applicable, with cross-references given if different than the current official name. I won’t distinguish between Doctor/Dr and similar common abbreviations nor with/without The…

RPG characters are tackled in a separate thread (currently only the original game but that will be expanded).

For profiles based on real people, mythology, or other non-Marvel works of fiction, I’m only including them if the profile is on the whole about the Marvel version.

If I don’t have a particular resource I’ll make my best guess as to which version of a character/team is noted. The default is 616-Prime or non-specific.

The link to the document is here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BeOXATNlyAYFCyOh-vnnMnHYhNIN4aDT/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=112911870587456697029&rtpof=true&sd=true

Material covered that I don't own a copy of myself:
The Avengers: The Ultimate Guide to Earth’s Mightiest Heroes (2012)
Comic Book Who’s Who
Hero Illustrated Special Edition v3 #1
Marvel Encyclopedia (2006)
Official Handbook of the Twisted Toyfare Universe
Wizard Presents Cerebro’s Guide to the X-Men
X-Men Survival Guide to the Mansion

Last edited by Andy E. Nystrom (2/15/2023 9:49 am)

zuckyd1 · 1/21/2023 1:21 pm

Nice!
Let me know if I can be of any help.

Andy E. Nystrom · 1/21/2023 1:31 pm

zuckyd1 wrote:
Nice!
Let me know if I can be of any help.

Thank you. What I'll probably start doing as I go through the "non-Marvel" material is noting in the first post those resources I don't have my own copy of, as those are most likely to have errors because I can't check the profiles for alter egos etc.

Basically it was bugging me that we have a Non-Marvel thread full of obviously Marvel resources (albeit less official than the Handbooks) so I decided it was time to separate them out.

Andy E. Nystrom · 1/22/2023 12:15 pm

List updated to March 4, 2012: Encyclopedia of Superheroes. The top post lists material I don't have a copy of. In particular I'm interested if my guesses with the Wizard Cerebro book are correct (many x-characters share codenames so I may have guessed the wrong one; also there were a few spelling errors that I wasn't sure if they originated in the book or not so I noted them).

zuckyd1 · 1/22/2023 2:59 pm

Ahab (Roderick Campbell; Days of Future Past) WPCerX
   should be WPCerX as Rory Campbell

Cable (Nathan Christopher Charles Summers) 500GAc
   also WPCerX

Decibel (Jonothon Evans Starsmore) see Decibel
   should be WPCerX as Chamber

Domino (Neena Thurman)
   add WPCerX

missing: Kane (Garrison Kane) WPCerX as Weapon X

M (Claudette & Nicole St. Croix) WPCerX w/Penance as M
   should be M (Monet St. Croix) WPCerX

Mastermind (Martinique Wyngarde) WPCerX
   as Mastermind II

Meltdown (Russian) WPCerX
   should be Tabitha Smith

Penance (Monet Yvette Clarissa Maria Therese St. Croix) WPCerX w/M (Caludette & Nicole) as M; WPCerX as Penance
   should be Penance (Claudette & Nicole St. Croix) WPCerX

Roughouse WPCerX mispelled Roughhouse
   It’s spelled correctly

Warlock (New Mutants) WPCerX
   should be WPCerX w/Cypher as Douglock

Andy E. Nystrom · 1/22/2023 5:22 pm

Thx. I've made most of those corrections and they will appear in the next upload. However, to be consistent with the Master List, I'm skipping Roman numerals and similar numbering with minor exceptions. This is especially important in this case when you consider that some reference works number versions between companies.

Loki · 1/23/2023 2:14 am

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Thx. I've made most of those corrections and they will appear in the next upload. However, to be consistent with the Master List, I'm skipping Roman numerals and similar numbering with minor exceptions. This is especially important in this case when you consider that some reference works number versions between companies.

Yep. Numbering different versions is anathema unless the numbers are actually part of the character's name.

Andy E. Nystrom · 1/24/2023 12:51 pm

I decided to do ones where my mood struck me even if it didn't neatly fit past post chronology. So, now added are:
Encyclopedia of Super Villains
Adventure Heroes: Legendary Characters from Odysseus to James Bond
The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Cartoon Animals
The League of Regrettable Superheroes (Jon Morris)
The Legion of Regrettable Super Villains
The League of Regrettable Sidekicks

Andy E. Nystrom · 1/27/2023 10:44 am

Newly added profiles from:
Comic Book Encyclopedia
Comics Gone Ape: The Missing Link to Primates in Comics
Marvel Studios Character Encyclopedia
The Superhero Book
The Supervillain Book
The Taylor History of Comics v4
The Vampire Book: The Encyclopedia of the Undead

Andy E. Nystrom · 2/09/2023 8:05 am

Massive update done. I've added the 2009 and 2019 versions of the Marvel Encyclopedia (the two editions I own). I didn't want to type a whole bunch of fractions which would have added a lot of time to an already big task so I only noted page counts of 1 or more. As this added a lot of pages I've also now added the ability to jump to a particular letter.

Andy E. Nystrom · 2/13/2023 8:50 am

From the Non-Marvel thread:

zuckyd1
Mar 23, 2012, 01:45 pm
THE MARVEL ENCYCLOPEDIA (DK)

entries from the original edition that didn't make it into the updated edition:

Caliban
Chandler
Doom 2099
Gemini
Hornet
Libra
Nathan Lubensky
Merlin
N’Garai
Thunderball
U-Man
Young Gods

Adding these to the Unofficial Marvel thread. Which profiles in the 2009 edition weren't in the first edition? And is Alastair Dougall the senior editor? Is the Chandler profile for Marlo Chandler? Are Gemini and Libra both the human versions going by what's listed under Real Name? Is Hornet Edward McDonough or Scott McDowell? I'm presuming not Peter Parker.

zuckyd1 · 2/13/2023 9:02 am

Yes, Alastair Dougall is senior editor.
Yes, Marlo

Andy E. Nystrom · 2/13/2023 9:03 am

Thank you. I added in a few more questions to the earlier post.

Andy E. Nystrom · 2/13/2023 9:08 am

A couple more questions: Since Merlin is noted as not being on the 2009 edition, but 2009 does have a profile on Merlyn, is this the Demonspawn version or another alternate? Also, are there profiles in 2006 that are renamed in 2009? Sorry to ask something that requires lots of checking, but want to make this as accurate as possible.

zuckyd1 · 2/13/2023 9:59 am

New to the 2009 edition:
Agents of Atlas
Anger, Dirk
Ant-Man III
Anti-Venom (in 2006 as Venom)
Arachne
Ares
Armory
Annihilation
Blackwing III
Bloodstone, Elsa
Caiera
Cloud 9
Civil War
Dakken
Doctor Faustus
Dominus
Donovan, Milla
Fixer (Techno) (in 2006 as Techno)
Fifty-State Initiative
Gauntlet
Golddigger
Gorilla-Man
Hardball
Hood, The
World War Hulk
Hulkling
Illuminati
John the Skrull
Komodo
Liberteens, The
Lukin, General
M-11
MI-13
Miss Arrow
Ms. Marvel (in 2006 as Warbird)
Nextwave
Nile, Tana (in 2006 as Tana Nile)
Omega Flight
Order, The
Proctor
Prodigy
Romulus
Sabreclaw
Sin
Skaar
Slapstick
Speed
Spider-Man 2211
Stane, Ezekiel
Stature
Surge
Secret Invasion
Thor Girl
Trauma
U-Go Girl
Ultragirl
Ultraforce
Van Patrick
Venus
Venom (2006 version was mainly just Brock)
Veranke
Von Blitzschlag, Baron
Vulcan
Warbound
Warp
Warpath
Watson, Mary Jane (in 2006 as Parker, Mary Jane)
White Tiger (2006 Ayala, 2009 Del Toro)
Wiccan
Winter Soldier (both editions have a Bucky Barnes entry as well)
Wondra
Woo, Jimmy
Woodman, Senator
X-23
X-Cell
Young X-Men
The Multiverse and its subentries

zuckyd1 · 2/13/2023 10:06 am

Gemini is Joshua Link
Libra is Gustav Brandt
Hornet is Eddie McDonough

2006 Merlin is the Arthurian character.
2006 Merlyn is the Otherworld character, who "may or may not be the sorcerer..."

I noted any major character renamings above. There are a few minor renamings that don't affect alphabetization, such as Apalla the Sun Queen (2006) vs. Apalla (2009). Do you want those as well?

Loki · 2/13/2023 12:03 pm

zuckyd1 wrote:
2006 Merlin is the Arthurian character.
2006 Merlyn is the Otherworld character, who "may or may not be the sorcerer..."

Despite whatever non-official handbook-like products might claim, that boat has well and truly sailed long ago. Merlin is Merlyn. I'll understand for the sake of listing profiles here why the list needs to keep them separate, but they are the same entity.

Andy E. Nystrom · 2/13/2023 3:49 pm

zuckyd1 wrote:
Gemini is Joshua Link
Libra is Gustav Brandt
Hornet is Eddie McDonough

2006 Merlin is the Arthurian character.
2006 Merlyn is the Otherworld character, who "may or may not be the sorcerer..."

I noted any major character renamings above. There are a few minor renamings that don't affect alphabetization, such as Apalla the Sun Queen (2006) vs. Apalla (2009). Do you want those as well?

Thank you and yes unless it's with or without The I'm noting name variants like you described, it's just that I won't include a cross-reference if the alt name would only be one or two lines up or down.

Andy E. Nystrom · 2/13/2023 3:51 pm

Loki wrote:
I'll understand for the sake of listing profiles here why the list needs to keep them separate, but they are the same entity.

If it's the same character (or team, etc) I'm lumping them together ans using "as..." where applicable.

Andy E. Nystrom · 2/13/2023 5:26 pm

Also going through the Avengers Ultimate Guide. Who is the main writer or editor? Also, are the 1950s Avengers the 616/Prime version or the 9904 version?

zuckyd1 · 2/14/2023 10:42 am

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
Also going through the Avengers Ultimate Guide. Who is the main writer or editor? Also, are the 1950s Avengers the 616/Prime version or the 9904 version?

Which Avengers Ultimate Guide? I'm seeing three on my shelf lol

zuckyd1 · 2/14/2023 11:49 am

Apalla the Sun Queen (2006); Apalla (2009)
Ayesha (Her) (2006); Ayesha (aka Her) (2009)
Beta Ray Thor (2006); Beta-Ray Thor (2009)
Big Hero 6 (2006); Big-Hero 6 (2009)
Cheney, Lila (2006); Cheney (2009)
Ellis, Ken (2006); Ellis, Kenneth (2009)
Gyrich (2006); Gyrich, Henry Peter (2009)
Kelly, Senator (2006); Kelly (2009)
Kincaid, Dr. (2006); Kincaid, Dr. Keith (2009)
Lilith (2006); Lilith (Dracula's Daughter) (2009)
MacTaggart, Dr. (2006); MacTaggert, Dr. (2009)
Malus (2006); Malus, Dr. Karl (2009)
Montesi, Victoria (2006); Montesi (2009)
Moon Boy (2006); Moon-Boy (2009)
Moonstar (2006); Moonstar, Dani (2009)
Phobos, Professor (2006); Phobos, Professor P. (2009)
Prester, John (2006); Prester John (2009)
Pryde, Kitty (2006); Pryde, Katherine (2009)
Ryker, General John (2006); Ryker, General J. (2009)
Shalla Bal (2006); Shalla-Bal (2009)
Shanna the She Devil (2006); Shanna the She-Devil (2009)
Talbot, Major Matt (2006); Talbot, Major (2009)
Unus the Untouchable (2006); Unus (2009)
U.S. Agent (2006); U.S.Agent (2009)
Verdugo, Sandra (2006); Verdugo (2009)
Whitemane (2006); Whitemane, Aelfyre (2009)
Whitman (2006); Whitman, Debra (2009)
XSE, The (2006); Xavier's Security Enforcers (2009)
Yashida (2006); Yashida, Mariko (2009)
Yellowjacket II (2006); Yellowjacket (2009)

zuckyd1 · 2/14/2023 12:03 pm

IrMBtA: Iron Man: Beneath the Armor (Angel Mangels)

I'm pretty sure that's not the correct spelling of his first name

Andy E. Nystrom · 2/14/2023 6:05 pm

Thank you. I'll take care of most of those tomorrow. For the Avengers book it's

THE AVENGERS: THE ULTIMATE GUIDE TO EARTH’S MIGHTIEST HEROES! (DK, 2012)

Andy E. Nystrom · 2/15/2023 9:53 am

Added in the Encyclopedia of Monsters, Marvel Encyclopedia 2006, The Avengers: The Ultimate Guide to Earth’s Mightiest Heroes 2012, Hero Illustrated Special Edition v3 #1. I only own the first one so I'll let others be my eyes for any errors in the rest.

I only got the Encyclopedia of Monsters a few days ago and no one else has listed it on the Mon-Marvel thread, so I'll add it there too. So for those of you who have been lying awake at night wondering when Chickenstein's Monster was finally going to get his due, it's finally his time to shine!

zuckyd1 · 2/15/2023 11:04 am

I think Encyclopedia of Monsters is the only one of Jeff Rovin's reference books that I don't have.

Avengers 2012 is Victoria Taylor, Project Editor.

zuckyd1 · 2/19/2023 1:49 pm

Oops, forgot about your other Avengers question.
The writer of the 1950s entry seems unaware that there were two different groups from two separate realities. The entry is mostly about the 616 group. However it claims they called themselves "Avengers" (which I don't think the 616 group ever did), and one of the group shots is from Avengers Forever.

Andy E. Nystrom · 2/19/2023 3:00 pm

zuckyd1 wrote:
Oops, forgot about your other Avengers question.
The writer of the 1950s entry seems unaware that there were two different groups from two separate realities. The entry is mostly about the 616 group. However it claims they called themselves "Avengers" (which I don't think the 616 group ever did), and one of the group shots is from Avengers Forever.

Thank you. In terms of the name of that group, I checked the Master List and the Avengers Now profile called them the Avengers Initiative (1959).

zuckyd1 · 2/19/2023 4:57 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:
zuckyd1 wrote:
Oops, forgot about your other Avengers question.
The writer of the 1950s entry seems unaware that there were two different groups from two separate realities. The entry is mostly about the 616 group. However it claims they called themselves "Avengers" (which I don't think the 616 group ever did), and one of the group shots is from Avengers Forever.
Thank you. In terms of the name of that group, I checked the Master List and the Avengers Now profile called them the Avengers Initiative (1959).

I think my original listing was a bit unclear. The book's table of contents lists "1950s" as a single 2-page entry, but it actually reads more like two 1-page entries. The first page is what I described above: Agents of Atlas (although they only use that name once, towards the end of the profile) with a few 9904 details incorrectly tossed in. Page 2 is the 1959 Avengers team.

Andy E. Nystrom · 5/06/2023 5:45 am

Previously in the Non-Marvel thread I noted that the back boxes of of Cheerios in Canada had a profile for the MCU version of M'Baku. I am not aware of any other character being profiled. Here's the profile.