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11/02/2021 4:56 pm  #151


Re: Things people keep getting wrong (Round 2) redux

Another error - not common in as much as few people discuss the character, but common where the character is discussed.

Wrong: Andre Mexer from Wolverine Saudade is a telekinetic.
Truth: He used some kind of hallucinatory psychic attack which caused victims to feel like gravity was inverted and the world was bending around them. 

If you want proof, examine him attacking Wolverine:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/8/85763/8227377-untitled.jpg

Notice that in alternating panels we see Wolverine's perspective, with everything flying around, and then the perspective of everyone else, where Wolverine is just lying on the ground flailing around. And it's not that he's come back to the ground in the second panel, because we see in the fifth panel that he still sees Mexer and his friends as floating in the air. 

Additionally, after the fact Wolverine describes it as a psionic attack, and complains of a headache, something more likely to come from a telepathic attack than a telekinetic one. 

Before anyone says "but the Jean Grey School trainee Hindsight said Mexer had telekinetic powers." that is the writer of the issue making the same common misreading that so many do, the source of this perpetuated error. And in universe Hindsight simply has it wrong - he's never seen Mexer use his powers, and is going off what's he's heard. 

 

11/09/2022 8:57 am  #152


Re: Things people keep getting wrong (Round 2) redux

Here's one that seems to wind up directly in MCU works a fair bit:

Incorrect: 616 is the Earth/reality designation for both the main universe of the comics and for the MCU as the main universe of the movies/shows.
Truth: It's 616 (or Prime) for the main comics but 199999 for the MCU.
 


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11/13/2022 4:47 pm  #153


Re: Things people keep getting wrong (Round 2) redux

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:

Here's one that seems to wind up directly in MCU works a fair bit:

Incorrect: 616 is the Earth/reality designation for both the main universe of the comics and for the MCU as the main universe of the movies/shows.
Truth: It's 616 (or Prime) for the main comics but 199999 for the MCU.
 

I just came across this interesting explanation for the discrepancy: https://www.nickperon.com/interpretations#616

 

11/13/2022 4:56 pm  #154


Re: Things people keep getting wrong (Round 2) redux

zuckyd1 wrote:

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:

Here's one that seems to wind up directly in MCU works a fair bit:

Incorrect: 616 is the Earth/reality designation for both the main universe of the comics and for the MCU as the main universe of the movies/shows.
Truth: It's 616 (or Prime) for the main comics but 199999 for the MCU.
 

I just came across this interesting explanation for the discrepancy: https://www.nickperon.com/interpretations#616

That's pretty close to my head canon explanation, but it does muddy the waters a bit, and leads movie viewers who don't read Handbooks or other reference material (or comics at all for that matter) to assume that the movie reality is indeed 616 (or at least a 616) or that it has never been given an official designation in comics works. A lot of the comments in the Cinema Sins video for Dr Strange 2 seem to assume there's no other designation than 616 for the MCU.


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11/13/2022 5:18 pm  #155


Re: Things people keep getting wrong (Round 2) redux

And that theory does fall apart a little when you consider that the people who called the MCU reality 616 in Dr Strange 2 also gave themselves a triple digit number instead of simply 1.


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11/14/2022 1:59 am  #156


Re: Things people keep getting wrong (Round 2) redux

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:

And that theory does fall apart a little when you consider that the people who called the MCU reality 616 in Dr Strange 2 also gave themselves a triple digit number instead of simply 1.

You assume they gave themselves, and the MCU, those numbers, rather than perhaps learning of the numberings from another reality that was the one to actually do the numbering.

 

11/14/2022 2:46 am  #157


Re: Things people keep getting wrong (Round 2) redux

Loki wrote:

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:

And that theory does fall apart a little when you consider that the people who called the MCU reality 616 in Dr Strange 2 also gave themselves a triple digit number instead of simply 1.

You assume they gave themselves, and the MCU, those numbers, rather than perhaps learning of the numberings from another reality that was the one to actually do the numbering.

Maybe for 838 but for MCU it's not just an assumption but going from what was actually stated.
Christine Palmer 838: "Our universe is 838 and we've designated yours 616".

And yes, she could be lying, but her "we've designated" comment moves things past mere assumption for the MCU.


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11/14/2022 3:44 am  #158


Re: Things people keep getting wrong (Round 2) redux

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:

Loki wrote:

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:

And that theory does fall apart a little when you consider that the people who called the MCU reality 616 in Dr Strange 2 also gave themselves a triple digit number instead of simply 1.

You assume they gave themselves, and the MCU, those numbers, rather than perhaps learning of the numberings from another reality that was the one to actually do the numbering.

Maybe for 838 but for MCU it's not just an assumption but going from what was actually stated.
Christine Palmer 838: "Our universe is 838 and we've designated yours 616".

And yes, she could be lying, but her "we've designated" comment moves things past mere assumption for the MCU.

Valid. However, when Christine says "we've" designated, does she mean she was one of the people who did it, or does she mean it as in "someone on our world (mostly likely the Illuminati)"? And if the latter, then she may simply not know where they got it from, which means the numbering could still have come from an outside source. Take the numbers currently used within the comics. We know that they get used by Merlyn, Roma, the Corps, the Dimensional Development Court, the TVA, etc. But who actually came up with them? It seems likely one group or individual originated the numbering, and the others mentioned subsequently adopted them. 

Or look at the same kind of conversation in another context - if you were explaining to an alien from (say) Mars, who would presumably have a different name for that world, you might say "We've designated your world Mars" (okay, we'd probably say the less formal "we call your world..." but a scientist might say designate); however, the person speaking isn't the one who came up with that name, nor were they in any way involved in the decision-making process. 

 

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