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2/02/2021 5:13 pm  #91


Re: Things people keep getting wrong (Round 2) redux

Aha, so I wasn't just imagining things. Strange Tales #115. Not sure if Reed's karate skills are also at "world's greatest expert" level. https://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/wink.png


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2/02/2021 5:23 pm  #92


Re: Things people keep getting wrong (Round 2) redux

Sue never explicitly says that Reed is one of the world's greatest experts at judo... just that she was taught judo by someone who is "one of the world's greatest experts". There's no question that, taking into account all of human knowledge, Reed is indeed one of the world's greatest experts!

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2/04/2021 5:41 am  #93


Re: Things people keep getting wrong (Round 2) redux

zuckyd1 wrote:

Aha, so I wasn't just imagining things. Strange Tales #115. Not sure if Reed's karate skills are also at "world's greatest expert" level. https://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/wink.png


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Yes, I'd say neither this nor Sue's statement confirm Reed to be a martial arts master, not without further evidence to back it up. He's clearly got some level of knowledge of it, and has tried to teach some fighting skills to Sue and Johnny, but given how he's failed to demonstrate this supposed skill himself on panel, even in instances where he'd been depowered and so martial arts could have been useful, my best bet is that he's probably only average, despite his loving (then-)girlfriend bigging him up while fighting Reed's rival. Maybe Reed learned as part of his training for his wartime spy days in Sin-Cong, maybe he self-taught himself upon realizing he'd inevitably end up in fights as part of the F4, but regardless, unless we get further evidence, I'd say he's able to handle himself well enough not to embarrass himself in a fight, but we've got nothing to say he's a true expert (sorry Sue), and assuming black belts is a jump. 

 

2/15/2021 6:40 pm  #94


Re: Things people keep getting wrong (Round 2) redux

Here's one I've seen a few times: Black Bolt has sonic powers.
I've tried to explain it that his power is to mentally manipulate electrons, and that the quasi-sonic aspect is due to how his brain is wired, but a lot of people are locked in the "main aspect of his power comes from his voice, therefore his powers are sonic" way of thinking.

 

2/19/2021 7:25 pm  #95


Re: Things people keep getting wrong (Round 2) redux

Related to my previous post: Lockjaw (Earth-616) is A) a dog, B) is exceptionally intelligent for one, and C) a member of Pet Avengers. To the best of my knowledge, the correct answers are A) his species is inconclusive, B) he possesses human level intelligence, have demonstrated so several times, and C) no, since the Pet Avengers takes place on Earth-97161 (although they have crossed over to -616). I've pointed these out, and even backed them up with official source material, but gets the reply that gets is that Wikipedia/common knowledge says otherwise, so I'm the one who's wrong.

 

2/25/2021 6:14 pm  #96


Re: Things people keep getting wrong (Round 2) redux

I often see people claim that since Marvel no longer owns the rights to Rom, Micronauts, etc. their stories are no longer canon.

 

2/25/2021 6:52 pm  #97


Re: Things people keep getting wrong (Round 2) redux

This bit of misinformation is from Marvel's own marketers: titles that didn't last very long such as Night Nurse have been promoted as miniseries/limited series, such as when they're reprinted. A miniseries or limited series was only intended to run a specific number of issues; that's different from a series that was meant to be ongoing but ended really quickly. Night Nurse etc were simply commercial failures. That doesn't necessarily mean they were failures creatively (their audience might not have been around or had the series promoted to them properly if they were around) but the sales just weren't there. I think a better way to market such series would be to say, "This series may not have been a hit when it was first published, but we like it and want to give everyone a second chance to read it."


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2/26/2021 2:12 pm  #98


Re: Things people keep getting wrong (Round 2) redux

Loki wrote:

There's some similarity in appearances, with the red cross, bulky build and beard, so you can see why people think it is him in Secret Avengers. But the guy in Secret Avengers also differs in appearance, with the blue elements of his costume that Captain England lacks. And we've got to remember that many of the Corps look similar - costumes based to varying degrees on the Union Flag, and many being alternate reality counterparts to other members. Plus if you know your UK dialects you know that "laddie" is more commonly associated with Scotland than any English region. So just from the panel there's an element of doubt. I don't have any doubt though, as I can cheat; I have access to something those sites don't, the script for the issue, which identifies the guy speaking by name. He's Captain Scotland.  

Nice to know! I don't remember Captain Scotland being named in any Handbook yet, does he?

 

2/28/2021 3:55 pm  #99


Re: Things people keep getting wrong (Round 2) redux

For a long time there's been theories that Franklin Richards is the cause of Marvel's floating timeline, using his powers to slow down time to keep his family and friends young and healthy for as long as possible. I've even seen claims some stories actually outright imply it. Is there any truth to this, or just fans asserting that their theories have more meat than they actually do, as often happens?

 

2/28/2021 4:15 pm  #100


Re: Things people keep getting wrong (Round 2) redux

Sidney Osinga wrote:

Here's one I've seen a few times: Black Bolt has sonic powers.
I've tried to explain it that his power is to mentally manipulate electrons, and that the quasi-sonic aspect is due to how his brain is wired, but a lot of people are locked in the "main aspect of his power comes from his voice, therefore his powers are sonic" way of thinking.

I'm not personally as expert on Black Bolt's powers as some others on the handbook team, but yes, my understanding is that his powers are mainly derived from manipulating electrons. While he does have a powerful voice that manifests in a quasi-sonic manner, he's not otherwise a sonic type. He's not like Banshee or Siryn, whose flight comes from sonic powers, for example.

 

2/28/2021 4:22 pm  #101


Re: Things people keep getting wrong (Round 2) redux

Sidney Osinga wrote:

Related to my previous post: Lockjaw (Earth-616) is A) a dog, B) is exceptionally intelligent for one, and C) a member of Pet Avengers. To the best of my knowledge, the correct answers are A) his species is inconclusive, B) he possesses human level intelligence, have demonstrated so several times, and C) no, since the Pet Avengers takes place on Earth-97161 (although they have crossed over to -616). I've pointed these out, and even backed them up with official source material, but gets the reply that gets is that Wikipedia/common knowledge says otherwise, so I'm the one who's wrong.

Working in reverse - Wiki/common knowledge. Blech. Way too often wrong.

Writers have gone back and forth. We've no evidence afaik of Terrigen working on any species other than Inhumans (or else the recentish release of Terrigen worldwide would have far greater impact on life on Earth), which really makes the idea that Lockjaw was a dog to begin with somewhat suspect. He's definitely human level intelligence, though there's occasional evidence that this fluctuates down at times (basically, some writers have ignored or been unaware of the early stories where he was clearly very smart and have depicted him as having only dog level intelligence). Pet Avengers isn't 616, per editorial instruction; however, not every writer seems to get that or else their editors aren't passing that instruction on, so I could see that being undone someday when some undeniably 616 story refers to them as being in-universe.

 

2/28/2021 4:23 pm  #102


Re: Things people keep getting wrong (Round 2) redux

zuckyd1 wrote:

I often see people claim that since Marvel no longer owns the rights to Rom, Micronauts, etc. their stories are no longer canon.

All still canon. If there was any doubt, the continued appearance of the Marvel-owned characters that originated in those series should put paid to it.

 

2/28/2021 4:24 pm  #103


Re: Things people keep getting wrong (Round 2) redux

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:

This bit of misinformation is from Marvel's own marketers: titles that didn't last very long such as Night Nurse have been promoted as miniseries/limited series, such as when they're reprinted. A miniseries or limited series was only intended to run a specific number of issues; that's different from a series that was meant to be ongoing but ended really quickly. Night Nurse etc were simply commercial failures. That doesn't necessarily mean they were failures creatively (their audience might not have been around or had the series promoted to them properly if they were around) but the sales just weren't there. I think a better way to market such series would be to say, "This series may not have been a hit when it was first published, but we like it and want to give everyone a second chance to read it."

Yeah. Some revisionist history going on there.

 

2/28/2021 4:25 pm  #104


Re: Things people keep getting wrong (Round 2) redux

Rayeye wrote:

Loki wrote:

There's some similarity in appearances, with the red cross, bulky build and beard, so you can see why people think it is him in Secret Avengers. But the guy in Secret Avengers also differs in appearance, with the blue elements of his costume that Captain England lacks. And we've got to remember that many of the Corps look similar - costumes based to varying degrees on the Union Flag, and many being alternate reality counterparts to other members. Plus if you know your UK dialects you know that "laddie" is more commonly associated with Scotland than any English region. So just from the panel there's an element of doubt. I don't have any doubt though, as I can cheat; I have access to something those sites don't, the script for the issue, which identifies the guy speaking by name. He's Captain Scotland.  

Nice to know! I don't remember Captain Scotland being named in any Handbook yet, does he?

No suitable entry. He was introduced after the last entry for the Corps, and is unlikely to be mentioned in any entry other than a Corps update.

 

2/28/2021 4:32 pm  #105


Re: Things people keep getting wrong (Round 2) redux

Pinball_Lizard wrote:

For a long time there's been theories that Franklin Richards is the cause of Marvel's floating timeline, using his powers to slow down time to keep his family and friends young and healthy for as long as possible. I've even seen claims some stories actually outright imply it. Is there any truth to this, or just fans asserting that their theories have more meat than they actually do, as often happens?

Without having read every single story and recalling them all perfectly I can't absolutely state that it's never been implied in-story, but I'm not aware of such an instance off the top of my head, and the onus is on anyone who claims that it has to provide the issue where it happened. It's like me claiming that (to pull an extremely silly example out of the ether) in a non-US comic there was a story where Wolverine slept with Aunt May. That'd be virtually impossible to actively disprove, because you'd have to show that you've checked every single non-US story, and I could always claim it must be in one you overlooked, because I've provided no way to narrow the search down to within reasonable parameters. 

The onus for any claims should always be to prove by providing evidence of where and when it happened in at least one checkable story, not to disprove by providing evidence that it never happened across literally tens of thousands of stories.

 

2/28/2021 4:58 pm  #106


Re: Things people keep getting wrong (Round 2) redux

Loki wrote:

Writers have gone back and forth. We've no evidence afaik of Terrigen working on any species other than Inhumans (or else the recentish release of Terrigen worldwide would have far greater impact on life on Earth), which really makes the idea that Lockjaw was a dog to begin with somewhat suspect. He's definitely human level intelligence, though there's occasional evidence that this fluctuates down at times (basically, some writers have ignored or been unaware of the early stories where he was clearly very smart and have depicted him as having only dog level intelligence). Pet Avengers isn't 616, per editorial instruction; however, not every writer seems to get that or else their editors aren't passing that instruction on, so I could see that being undone someday when some undeniably 616 story refers to them as being in-universe.

That reminds me of another one; I got a sense at times, particularly when Bendis was writing him, that not all writers/editors knew that Marvel Boy (Noh-Varr) is a Kree, yes, but from another reality. An in-story explanation might be that Noh-Varr was trying not to confuse people by bringing that up, but there were times where it felt like that detail should have been brought up but wasn't. And I say that as someone who likes Bendis' writing overall. He has an excellent ear for dialogue.


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3/01/2021 5:49 am  #107


Re: Things people keep getting wrong (Round 2) redux

Another one: Due to the continuity snarls particular with season 6, some people are insisting that Agents of SHIELD isn't canon to the MCU and some even go so far as to claim it never was. The continuity is certainly problematic and there clearly was a lack of communication between the movie and TV people, but I believe from Marvel's standpoint it's still canon. Certainly Kevin Feige, who's in charge of the movies has never declared the show to no longer be canon.


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3/04/2021 5:03 pm  #108


Re: Things people keep getting wrong (Round 2) redux

Sigh. I see the "Isaiah Bradley was the first Captain America" error is still going strong.

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