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shazam2271

Dec 22, 2009, 03:01 pm

Coming from Marvel in March...

OFFICIAL HANDBOOK OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE A TO Z VOL. 13 PREMIERE HC
Written by JEFF CHRISTIANSEN, STUART VANDAL, RONALD BYRD, MIKE O’SULLIVAN, MICHAEL HOSKIN, MADISON CARTER, SEAN MCQUAID, MIKE FICHERA, MARKUS RAYMOND, ROB LONDON, JACOB ROUGEMONT, CHRIS BIGGS, JEPH YORK, DAVID WILTFONG & KEVIN GARCIA
Penciled by VARIOUS
Cover by TOM GRUMMETT

Because twelve volumes couldn’t possibly be enough, the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe carries on with lucky number thirteen! Featuring more expanded and up-to-date biographies from the likes of the Vision to the Young Avengers! Including a host of X-teams including X-Factor, X-Force, X-Men and X-Statix! Includes heroes such as War Machine, the Hulk’s Warbound, Adam Warlock, Warpath, the Wasp(s), Wiccan, the Winter Guard, Pete Wisdom, Wolfsbane, Wolverine, Wonder Man, Jimmy Woo, X-23, Nate Grey the X-Man and Xorn! With villains including Emperor Vulcan, Vulture, Weapon X, Wendigo, Whiplash, Wizard, the Wrecking Crew and the Yellow Claw! Plus: Werewolves! Wild Child! The New Mutants’ Warlock! Asgard’s own Warriors Three! Mary Jane Watson! Face it tiger, you just hit the mother lode!

240 PGS./Rated T+ …$24.99
ISBN: 978-0-7851-4178-5
Trim size: standard

bigvis497
Dec 22, 2009, 03:38 pm

Saw the cover on CBR, includes
Videoman (I know I complained Mikaboshi was on a previous cover, but WOW, Videoman?)
Vision
Vulcan (not 100% sure)
Vulture (Toomes)
War Machine
Adam Warlock
Wasp (Pym)
Wasp (Van Dyne)
Mary Jane Watson
Wendigo
Wizard
Wolverine
Wonder Man
X-23
Yukio (not 100% sure on that one either)

Pretty pumped for this, can't believe the run's almost over!

sucellos11
Dec 22, 2009, 03:55 pm
Yeah, that's Yukio alright, but who's the guy with the golden armor? You say it's Vulcan? I dunno.

bigvis497
Dec 22, 2009, 04:03 pm

sucellos11 wrote:

Yeah, that's Yukio alright, but who's the guy with the golden armor? You say it's Vulcan? I dunno.

Could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's him in his Shi'ar emperor garb from War Of Kings.

sucellos11
Dec 22, 2009, 04:26 pm
Videoman seems an odd choice indeed, but I like the character. I was expecting Wolfsbane, Warpath or Whiplash instead. I guess that means he's got a full page entry now.

Eduardo M.
Dec 22, 2009, 05:48 pm

sucellos11 wrote:

Videoman seems an odd choice indeed, but I like the character. I was expecting Wolfsbane, Warpath or Whiplash instead. I guess that means he's got a full page entry now.

Probably still a hlf-pager since Vindicator and Viper both appear on the cover to Volume 12. So unless there's a last minute change and Mrs. Hudson and the green-haired Madame Hydra appear in this volume, our poor Arcade inspired Spiderfoe will still get only half a page of glory

bigvis497
Dec 22, 2009, 09:05 pm

Eduardo M. wrote:

Probably still a hlf-pager since Vindicator and Viper both appear on the cover to Volume 12. So unless there's a last minute change and Mrs. Hudson and the green-haired Madame Hydra appear in this volume, our poor Arcade inspired Spiderfoe will still get only half a page of glory

Would this be the first instance of a half-pager getting the cover treatment?

Eric J. Moreels
Dec 23, 2009, 03:42 am

bigvis497 wrote:

Saw the cover on CBR

Cover is now linked to in the 1st post above




Sidney Osinga

Dec 24, 2009, 03:26 am

sucellos11 wrote:

Yeah, that's Yukio alright,

Are you sure? Because the solit says it only goes to Young Avengers.




sucellos11

Dec 24, 2009, 07:40 am


My guess is that vol. 13 will cover up to the end of Y letter. After Young Avengers there's only Yukio left, so probably the editors wanted to start vol. 14 with Z letter. And besides that's her modern look.




Sidney Osinga

Jan 7, 2010, 02:19 am


Just some thoughts about this volume:

Warriors Three - since they got a joint entry in Thor & Hercules: Encyclopaedia Mythologica, I assume they'll get one here. However, I also assume that they'll get separate bio information (i.e. Real Name, Aliases, Known Relatives), Abilities/Accessories, and Power Grids.
On the same subject, I wonder if the Wrecking Crew will be done like that. For example, one Power Grid could do for the entire team, since their levels would be the same except for Thunderball's intelligence.

Wolverine - since he got a 10 page entry in his first handbook in 2004, I assume it'll be that long here, with more info added to the one from Weapon X Files and some more pictures added (I'd like to see ones of him in his early and mid teens from the Origins mini)

X-Babies - hopefully this will be expanded to two pages, if for no other reason to cover other related characters (Brotherhood of Mutant Bullies, Mitey 'Vengers, Evil babies). Also, I hope there's a new main image. The one from 2006 didn't show any of the main Babies.

X-Factor - I wonder if it'll be divided between the two incarnations, the X-Men founders team and the government sponsored one, since they were founded for different purposes and share no common members.

X-Force - could the M Branch version of X-Force get their own entry?

X-Men - I hope that the entry will be about 10 pages, about the length of the Avengers entry. After all, not only has the X-Men been around as long as the Avengers have, they've had more sub-teams, as many as three regularly at the same time.

Finally, we get around to the half page entries:

V's
Valkyrior Steeds
Vampire (golden age)
Vargas
Videoman
VIRGIL
Vulture (Drago)
Vulture (Shallot)

that's 7, and since I can't see any of them expanded entries, I'm going to assume there'll be at least one new one. Also, Valkyrie (Brunhilde) did get a half page entry in Thor & Hercules: Encyclopaedia Mythologica, but I assume she'll get at least a page since she has a fair bit of history.


W's
Walker
Warlord Wrogg
Washout
Ethan Warren
Watchdog
Wayep
Perry Webb
White Ghost (Earth-4011)
White Ghost (Maleigh)
Wildman
John Wilson
Wobbows
Wrecker (Kort)
Wrecker (Smith)
Wyre

that's 15, and same deal as the V's

X's

as it stands, there are no half page X entries. However, there are two possible ones. The most probable one is Xorn (Shen), since he has less history than the other Xorn (Kuan-Yin), who will end up with a full page, I think. The other, less likely entry is Xemu, the alternate name of Zemu. I'm not sure which he used in his last appearance, but that would be the name his entry will be under. Also, if he's listed as Xemu, Marvel runs the risk of Tom Cruise coming after them. ;)




sucellos11

Jan 29, 2010, 06:17 pm


Similarly to what was done for volume 12, here's the current set of entries for this volume along with their page count:

1. Valkyrior Steeds 1/2
2. Vampire 1/2
3. Vargas 1/2
4. Videoman 1/2
5. VIRGIL 1/2
6. Vision 2
7. Vivisector 1
8. Vixen 1
9. Vodu (Orishas) 1
10. Voyager 1
11. Vulcan 1
12. Vulture (Adrian Toomes) 2
13. Vulture (Clifton Shallot) 1/2
14. Vulture (Blackie Drago) 1/2
15. Wakanda 3
16. Walker 1/2
17. Walker, Patsy 1
18. Wallflower 1
19. Walrus 1
20. War 1/2
21. War Machine (Rhodes) 3
22. War of the Seven Spheres 1
23. Warbound 2
24. Warhawk 1
25. Warlock 2
26. Warlock, Adam 3
27. Warlord Wrogg 1/2
28. Warpath 2
29. Warren, Ethan 1/2
30. Warriors Three (Fandral, Hogun & Volstagg) 1
31. Washout 1/2
32. Wasp (Pym) 2
33. Wasp (Van Dyne) 8
34. Watchdog 1/2
35. Watson, Mary Jane 2
36. Wayep 1/2
37. Waynesboro, Katherine 1
38. Weapon X 3
39. Webb, Perry 1/2
40. Weiderman, Charlie 1
41. Wendigo 2
42. Werewolf (Russell) 3
43. Werewolves 3
44. Whiplash 1
45. White Dragon 1
46. White Ghost (Earth-4011) 1/2
47. White Ghost (McLeish) 1/2
48. White Rabbit 1
49. White Tiger (Angela Del Toro) 1
50. White Tiger (New Men) 1
51. Whitman, Debra 1
52. Whizzer 1
53. Wiccan (Asgardian) 1
54. Wild Child 2
55. Wild Thing (MC2) 1
56. Wilder, Alex 1
57. Wildman 1/2
58. Wildpride 1
59. Will o’ the Wisp 2
60. Wilson, Jim 1
61. Wilson, John 1/2
62. Windshear 1
63. Wing, Colleen 1
64. Winter Guard 2
65. Wisdom, Pete 2
66. Witch Woman 1
67. Witches 1
68. Witchfire 1
69. Wither 1
70. Wizard 3
71. Wobbows 1/2
72. Wolfsbane 2
73. Wolverine 10
74. Wonder Man 3
75. Wonders 2
76. Wong-Chu 1
77. Woo, Jimmy 1
78. Woodgod and the Changelings 2
79. Worldengine 1
80. Wraith 1
81. Wraith, John 1
82. Wrecker (Kort) 1/2
83. Wrecker (Smith) 1/2
84. Wrecking Crew 2
85. Wright, Bobby 1
86. Wu, Leiko 1
87. Wyre 1/2
88. X-23 2
89. Xandu 1
90. Xavier Institute for Higher Learning 6
91. Xavier’s Underground Enforcers 1
92. Xavin 1
93. X-Babies 1
94. X-Cell 1
95. X-Factor 1
96. X-Factor Investigations 2
97. X-Force 2
98. Xian 1
99. X-Man 1
100. X-Men 2
101. X-Men (2099 A.D.) 2
102. Xorn 1
103. Xorr the God-Jewel 1
104. X-Statix 1
105. X-Treme 1
106. Y Ddraig Goch 1/2
107. Yakuza 3
108. Yandroth 1
109. Yankee Clipper 1/2
110. Yashida, Mariko 1
111. Yazatas 1
112. Yellow Claw 1
113. Yellowjacket (DeMara) 1
114. Yinsen, Ho 1
115. Yith 1/2
116. Yorkes,Gertrude 1
117. Young Allies 1
118. Young Avengers 1
119. Y Ddraig Goch 1/2
120. Yu Huang 1/2
121. Yukio 1
122. Yukon Jack 1/2

Any corrections or additions are welcome.




Eduardo M.

Jan 29, 2010, 07:22 pm

sucellos11 wrote:

Similarly to what was done for volume 12, here's the current set of entries for this volume along with their page count:

1. Valkyrior Steeds 1/2
2. Vampire 1/2
3. Vargas 1/2
4. Videoman 1/2
5. VIRGIL 1/2
6. Vision 2
7. Vivisector 1
8. Vixen 1
9. Vodu (Orishas) 1
10. Voyager 1
11. Vulcan 1
12. Vulture (Adrian Toomes) 2
13. Vulture (Clifton Shallot) 1/2
14. Vulture (Blackie Drago) 1/2
15. Wakanda 3
16. Walker 1/2
17. Walker, Patsy 1
18. Wallflower 1
19. Walrus 1
20. War 1/2
21. War Machine (Rhodes) 3
22. War of the Seven Spheres 1
23. Warbound 2
24. Warhawk 1
25. Warlock 2
26. Warlock, Adam 3
27. Warlord Wrogg 1/2
28. Warpath 2
29. Warren, Ethan 1/2
30. Warriors Three (Fandral, Hogun & Volstagg) 1
31. Washout 1/2
32. Wasp (Pym) 2
33. Wasp (Van Dyne) 8
34. Watchdog 1/2
35. Watson, Mary Jane 2
36. Wayep 1/2
37. Waynesboro, Katherine 1
38. Weapon X 3
39. Webb, Perry 1/2
40. Weiderman, Charlie 1
41. Wendigo 2
42. Werewolf (Russell) 3
43. Werewolves 3
44. Whiplash 1
45. White Dragon 1
46. White Ghost (Earth-4011) 1/2
47. White Ghost (McLeish) 1/2
48. White Rabbit 1
49. White Tiger (Angela Del Toro) 1
50. White Tiger (New Men) 1
51. Whitman, Debra 1
52. Whizzer 1
53. Wiccan (Asgardian) 1
54. Wild Child 2
55. Wild Thing (MC2) 1
56. Wilder, Alex 1
57. Wildman 1/2
58. Wildpride 1
59. Will o’ the Wisp 2
60. Wilson, Jim 1
61. Wilson, John 1/2
62. Windshear 1
63. Wing, Colleen 1
64. Winter Guard 2
65. Wisdom, Pete 2
66. Witch Woman 1
67. Witches 1
68. Witchfire 1
69. Wither 1
70. Wizard 3
71. Wobbows 1/2
72. Wolfsbane 2
73. Wolverine 10
74. Wonder Man 3
75. Wonders 2
76. Wong-Chu 1
77. Woo, Jimmy 1
78. Woodgod and the Changelings 2
79. Worldengine 1
80. Wraith 1
81. Wraith, John 1
82. Wrecker (Kort) 1/2
83. Wrecker (Smith) 1/2
84. Wrecking Crew 2
85. Wright, Bobby 1
86. Wu, Leiko 1
87. Wyre 1/2
88. X-23 2
89. Xandu 1
90. Xavier Institute for Higher Learning 6
91. Xavier’s Underground Enforcers 1
92. Xavin 1
93. X-Babies 1
94. X-Cell 1
95. X-Factor 1
96. X-Factor Investigations 2
97. X-Force 2
98. Xian 1
99. X-Man 1
100. X-Men 2
101. X-Men (2099 A.D.) 2
102. Xorn 1
103. Xorr the God-Jewel 1
104. X-Statix 1
105. X-Treme 1
106. Y Ddraig Goch 1/2
107. Yakuza 3
108. Yandroth 1
109. Yankee Clipper 1/2
110. Yashida, Mariko 1
111. Yazatas 1
112. Yellow Claw 1
113. Yellowjacket (DeMara) 1
114. Yinsen, Ho 1
115. Yith 1/2
116. Yorkes,Gertrude 1
117. Young Allies 1
118. Young Avengers 1
119. Y Ddraig Goch 1/2
120. Yu Huang 1/2
121. Yukio 1
122. Yukon Jack 1/2

Any corrections or additions are welcome.

You can take out Patsy Walker since she already had an entire as Hellcat.




sucellos11

Feb 3, 2010, 01:57 pm

Thanks for the correction Eduardo. Out with Patsy, in with 2-pager Xandarian Worldmind from Annihilation: Nova #1.

Also, Mary Jane had a 4 pages entry in Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man #24.




sucellos11

Feb 10, 2010, 10:57 am

I was thinking which entries could be expanded on the page count - Vision, Vulcan, War Machine, Adam Warlock, Wasp (Pym), Weapon X, Whiplash, White Rabbit, Wiccan, Colleen Wing, X-Man, X-Factor, X-Men, Yandroth, Yellow Claw, Yukio,...what else?




sucellos11

Feb 27, 2010, 07:27 pm


Which entries are you looking forward to the most? For me it has to be the X-Men, X-Factor, both Wasps, the Warriors Three, Adam Warlock and Vulcan.




slevin87

Feb 27, 2010, 07:37 pm

sucellos11 wrote:

Which entries are you looking forward to the most?

Wasp (Pym) since there will probably be illos for his various identities and looks, Wolverine just because it'll almost certainly be lengthy (the first Wolvie handbook gave him a 10-page entry, and that was in 2004, before the Origins ongoing), X-Men because I'm hoping it's as long as the Avengers entry, and X-Statix because I was a big fan of the series.




Andy E. Nystrom

Feb 27, 2010, 09:59 pm


In terms of who's the most interesting, Wasp. In terms of curiosity value, Xaviver Institute of Higher Learning (listed above as 6 pages but actually 9). Baically that entry was mostly all graphics, so I'm curious to see how the Handbook writers pull off keeping 9 pages the minmum page count in the current format, without resorting to "A few days after the Danger Room incident the X-Men were confirmed as having breakfast in the dining room; subsequently Storm read a book in her bedroom."




Eduardo M.

Feb 27, 2010, 10:26 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:

In terms of curiosity value, Xaviver Institute of Higher Learning (listed above as 6 pages but actually 9). Baically that entry was mostly all graphics, so I'm curious to see how the Handbook writers pull off keeping 9 pages the minmum page count in the current format, without resorting to "A few days after the Danger Room incident the X-Men were confirmed as having breakfast in the dining room; subsequently Storm read a book in her bedroom."

Hopefully they'll mention the harrowing time Cyclops got Netflix and they sent him a busted copy of the Steel Maglonias DVD




sucellos11

Feb 27, 2010, 11:36 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:

In terms of who's the most interesting, Wasp. In terms of curiosity value, Xaviver Institute of Higher Learning (listed above as 6 pages but actually 9). Baically that entry was mostly all graphics, so I'm curious to see how the Handbook writers pull off keeping 9 pages the minmum page count in the current format, without resorting to "A few days after the Danger Room incident the X-Men were confirmed as having breakfast in the dining room; subsequently Storm read a book in her bedroom."
Sorry about the wrong page count. Too much coffee on top of that...

This might be the volume with more high page count entries in the entire run. Just Wolverine, Xavier Institute, Wasp (Pym), Wasp (Janet), X-Men and Werewolves will probably give us more than 40 pages. Not to speak of Adam Warlock, Yakuza, X-Factor, Wakanda, X-Force and Weapon X...




Stuart V

Feb 27, 2010, 11:59 pm

Andy E. Nystrom wrote:

In terms of curiosity value, Xaviver Institute of Higher Learning (listed above as 6 pages but actually 9). Baically that entry was mostly all graphics, so I'm curious to see how the Handbook writers pull off keeping 9 pages the minmum page count in the current format, without resorting to "A few days after the Danger Room incident the X-Men were confirmed as having breakfast in the dining room; subsequently Storm read a book in her bedroom."

It remains a very graphic heavy entry, but I think you'll find it interesting.




Andy E. Nystrom

Feb 28, 2010, 01:41 am

Stuart V wrote:

It remains a very graphic heavy entry, but I think you'll find it interesting.

Oh, I'm sure I'll like the new Xavier Institute entry when I see it. I just would have liked to have been a fly on the wall when it come time to decide how best to deal with that one. The old entry definitely shows how different things were being tried out when the new Handbooks were just beginning. In contrast I think things have been fine-tuned now to the point where in 2014 a typical Handbook entry will look pretty close to a 2010 entry (even the 2006 Handbooks look closer to the current ones than the 2004 ones). There might be a few more nip tucks now and then but probably no more entries that experimental.




ultrabasurero

Mar 13, 2010, 11:15 am


According to Marvel.com this is delayed until April 7.




Eduardo M.

Mar 17, 2010, 09:51 pm

ultrabasurero wrote:

According to Marvel.com this is delayed until April 7.

I spoke with my LCs today and they havent heard anything about any delays. Guess we'll find out as soon as the solicts for next week come out.




Roger Ott

Mar 31, 2010, 12:07 pm


I see this got bumped out to April 7th. One more week of anticipatory salivating...:




Eduardo M.

Apr 1, 2010, 11:50 pm

Roger Ott wrote:

I see this got bumped out to April 7th. One more week of anticipatory salivating...

one more week until we see how big the X-Men entry is. One more week till we see how they adapted the Xorr the God Jewel entry so it looks like a regular Handbook entry. One more week till we how many of Pym's costumes will be featured. One more week till we see what goodies await in the 2nd to last appendix.

ONE MORE (censored) WEEK!!

Not that I'm impaitient or anything.

I can wait.

I can wait.




Roger Ott

Apr 2, 2010, 12:14 am


And then, I have to wait a few more days because I don't have a comic shop nearby so I pre-ordered this online (along with the Iron Man Index TPB).

Arrrgh!




sucellos11

Apr 2, 2010, 02:51 pm


Hi all!

I'm getting pretty pumped up for this volume! I see you're also enthusiastic! Only five more days to go, it's a breeze...




Eduardo M.

Apr 2, 2010, 03:47 pm

sucellos11 wrote:

Hi all!

I'm getting pretty pumped up for this volume! I see you're also enthusiastic! Only five more days to go, it's a breeze...

more like 7 for me. I ordered one from my LCS at the same time I ordered Vol.12 but I'm not going to be near the shop on Wednesday. May have to pick it up that Friday or Saturday




sucellos11

Apr 2, 2010, 04:09 pm


Well, actually I also won't get my copy the day it comes out, but hopefully someone will spoil which entries are included, how many pages each, new and split entries, what's the appendix about, some neat details about entry-specific changes, etc. And knowing all of that is half the fun.




sucellos11

Apr 6, 2010, 11:41 am


Tomorrow never dies!  :Buggrin:




Eduardo M.

Apr 7, 2010, 01:47 pm


So anyone pick this up and if so can they please give us some spoilers?

Pretty please?

with sugar on top?




bigvis497

Apr 7, 2010, 02:54 pm


Wolverine entry is gigantic, X-Men is gigantic, Xavier Institute entry has headshots for the students and staff, along with tech drawings, team shots, student class shots, very well done. X-Statix has head shots for all the farm teams. I am so, so happy with how the X-Teams were handled. Cable's X-Force gets three pages. Vision and Pym get surprisingly long entries in comparison to some of their Avengers comrades. X-Factor is split into three entries, X-Terminators, Federal Team and XFI. Wild One (the demon from the Silver Surfer annual) appears to be a completely new entry. Surprisingly, no appendix. Volume stops at Zaran, so Zabu is included despite the fact he's on the final volume's cover (whoops).




Sidney Osinga

Apr 7, 2010, 05:47 pm


Here's a list of what's in it:

Vision ("Victor Shade, 7 pgs.), Vision (Jonas, 1 pg.), Vivisector (1 pg.), Vixen (1 pg), the Vodu (African gods, 2 pgs), Voyager (Cascade, 1 pg), Vulcan (Summers, 2 pgs), Vulture (Toomes, 3pgs), Half page entries: Valkyrior Steeds, Vampire (Mr. E foe), Vargas, Videoman, Vulture (Scarlotti), Vulture (Drago), Vulture (Shallot)

Wallflower (1 pg), Walrus (1 pg), War Machine (Rhodes, 4 pgs), War of the Seven Spheres (1 pg), Warbound (3 pgs), Warhawk (Tanner, 1 pg), Warlock (Technarch, 3 pgs), Adam Warlock (5 pgs), Warpath (2 pgs), Warriors Three (2 pgs), Wasp (Van Dyne, 5 pgs + 3 of costumes), Wasp (Pym, 8 pgs), Mary Jane Watson (4 pgs), Katherine Waynesboro (1 pgs), Weapon X programs (4 pgs), Weapon X (Exiles), Charlie Weiderman (1 pg), Wendigos (3 pgs), Werewolf (Russell, 3 pgs), Werewolves (4 pgs), Whiplash (Scarlotti, 2 pgs), White Dragon (Chinatown, 1 pgs), White Rabbit (1 pg), White Tiger (Ayala, 2 pgs), White Tiger (New Men, 1 pg), White Tiger (Del Toro, 1 pg), Debra Whitman (1 pg), Whizzer (Frank, 2 pgs), Wiccan (1 pg), Wild Child (3 pgs), Wild One (demon, 1 pg), Wild Thing (MC2, 1 pg), Alex Wilder (1 pg), Wildpride (1 pg), Will O' the Wisp (2 pgs), Jim Wilson (1 pg), Windshear (1 pg), Colleen Wing (2 pgs), Winter Guard (4 pgs), Pete Wisdom (3 pgs), Witch Woman (Littletrees, 1 pg), Witches (1 pg), Witchfire 91 pg), Wither (1 pg), Wizard (Wittman, 4 pgs), Wolfsbane (Sinclair, 3 pgs), Wolverine (Howlett, 12 pgs), Wonder Man (4 pgs), Wonders (2 pgs), Wong-Chu (1 pg), Jimmy Woo (2 pgs), Woodgod and the Changelings (3 pgs), Worldengine (1 pg), Wraith (DeWolff, 1 pg), John Wraith (1 pg), Wrecking Crew (2 pgs), Leiko Wu (1 pg), Half page entries: Walker (death god), War (Gazer), Lt. Ethan Warren, Washout, Watchdog, Wayeb, Perry Webb, White Ghost (McLeish), White Ghost (Howlett), Wildman, John Wilson, Wobbows, Wrecker (Kort), Wrecker (Smith), Wrogg, Wyre

X-23 (Kinney, 2 pgs), X-Babies (2 pgs), X-Cell (1 pg), X-Factor/X-terminators (1 pg), X-Factor (Havok's/federal team, 3 pgs), X-Factor Investigations (3 pgs), X-Force (Cable founded, 3 pgs), X-Force (X-Men strike team, 2 pgs), X-Man (Grey, 2 pgs), X-Men (12 pgs), X-Men (2099 A.D., 2 pgs), X-Statix (2 pgs), X-Treme (1 pg), Xandu (1 pg), Xavier Institute for Higher Learning (10 pgs), Xavier's Underground Enforcers (1 pg), Xavin (1 pg), Xian (Chinese gods, 1 pg), Xorn (Kuan-Yin and Shen, 2 pgs), Xorr the God-Jewel (1 pg)

Yakuza (3 pgs), Mariko Yashida (1 pg), Yazatas (Zoroastrian gods, 1 pg), Yellow Claw (2 pgs), Yellowjacket (DeMara, 2 pgs), Ho Yinsen (1 pg), Yith (1 pg), Gertrude Yorkes (1 pg), Young Allies (Counter-Earth, 1 pg), Young Avengers (3 pgs), Yukio (1 pg), Half page entries: Yankee Clipper, Yeti (First Line), Yu Huang, Yukon Jack

Zabu (1 pg), Zaniac (1 pg), Maximillian (2 pgs)




Phoenixx9

Apr 7, 2010, 06:37 pm


Thanks! Those spoilers were great.

Question: Witchfire. Should this be 1 pg vs "91 pg"? Is this character's real name Ananym?

Also, where is Warrior Woman? I am disappointed she did not get an entry even though Master Man did.




ultrabasurero

Apr 7, 2010, 07:27 pm

Phoenixx9 wrote:

Also, where is Warrior Woman? I am disappointed she did not get an entry even though Master Man did.

She wasn't in any of the 2004-2009 handbooks. So, why would one think she would be in it?




slevin87

Apr 7, 2010, 07:37 pm

Very happy with it so far. Just a couple observations and questions:

1) I suspect that Zemu will appear in Vol. 14 under that name, since he's not listed here as Xemu, the name he bore in his second appearance.

2) I noticed Y Ddraig Goch wasn't included. Will he be listed under another name? I know some people questioned the entries for the Celtic Gods in the EM appearing in the hardcovers because they had capsule bios in the Tuatha da Danaan entry, but I assumed that they would still get full entries.

3) Nice to see Pym and the Vision getting such an expansion.

4) I am muy excited to read the 12 page entries for Wolverine and the X-Men (each, not the cartoon).




Eduardo M.

Apr 7, 2010, 07:43 pm

ultrabasurero wrote:

She wasn't in any of the 2004-2009 handbooks. So, why would one think she would be in it?

I suspect he was hoping she'd be someone who gets a brand new entry since Master Man got one. Kinda like how I seem to recall some people were hoping for entries on Quincy Harker and Princess Python since their pets got entries




Stuart V

Apr 7, 2010, 08:04 pm

slevin87 wrote:

2) I noticed Y Ddraig Goch wasn't included. Will he be listed under another name? I know some people questioned the entries for the Celtic Gods in the EM appearing in the hardcovers because they had capsule bios in the Tuatha da Danaan entry, but I assumed that they would still get full entries.

He's in the next volume, under D for Ddraig. Y is the Welsh for "the" - listing him under Y would be like listing the Hulk under T for "the" or el Aguila under E for "el."




slevin87

Apr 7, 2010, 08:14 pm

Stuart V wrote:

He's in the next volume, under D for Ddraig. Y is the Welsh for "the" - listing him under Y would be like listing the Hulk under T for "the" or el Aguila under E for "el."

I learn something new every day. Thanks, Stuart!




ultrabasurero

Apr 7, 2010, 08:25 pm

Wild One (the demon from the Silver Surfer annual) appears to be a completely new entry.

Aren't the Yeti and White Tiger (Ayala) entries new? I recall the White Tiger New Men and Del Toro versions with entries.




Andy E. Nystrom

Apr 7, 2010, 09:12 pm


Interesting that there's no appendix volume this time, but I can see why: by allowing space for the entries to reach the start of the Z's, it solves any problems with ordering the final volume. That is, with only a few Z entries left, they can safely be put at the end end of the last volume.




Sidney Osinga

Apr 7, 2010, 09:14 pm

ultrabasurero wrote:

Aren't the Yeti and White Tiger (Ayala) entries new? I recall the White Tiger New Men and Del Toro versions with entries.

White Tiger (Ayala) was first covered in the Marvel Knights Handbook. However, the Vulture (Scarlotti) is a new one.




Rob London

Apr 7, 2010, 09:23 pm

Sidney Osinga wrote:

White Tiger (Ayala) was first covered in the Marvel Knights Handbook. However, the Vulture (Scarlotti) is a new one.

Not quite - White Tiger (Del Toro) was in the Marvel Knights book. Hector Ayala's profile is all-new.




Sidney Osinga

Apr 7, 2010, 10:26 pm

Rob London wrote:

Not quite - White Tiger (Del Toro) was in the Marvel Knights book. Hector Ayala's profile is all-new.

D'oh! you're right, I had it the other way around.




rplss

Apr 7, 2010, 10:55 pm

Phoenixx9 wrote:

Thanks! Those spoilers were great.

Question: Witchfire. Should this be 1 pg vs "91 pg"? Is this character's real name Ananym?

Yes, and Yes! I think the guy forgot to press shift when he hit the 9 key.




bigvis497

Apr 8, 2010, 12:19 am

Was curious about some of the inclusions, if there was a 4 or 5 page appendix, then Zabu would have wound up in the next volume where he belongs (since he's on the cover). Was there some sort of last minute change that led to him getting bumped ahead to this volume?
I thought that we would get Swords, Talismans & Tomes entries, possibly in the appendix (since they were all featured in the Mystic Arcana handbook). All those entries would have appeared alphabetically by now, any chance we'll see them get updated and expanded hardcover-style?
And Wild One was very random, Yeti was created to fill the half pagers, along with the Scarlotti Vulture, but what leads to an oddball like Wild One getting an entry, since he really doesn't have much of a connection to anything that's already appeared?
Last question, about the Xavier Institute entry, I have vague recollections that the Generation X Preview Special that came out in 1994 had every X-Man ever listed in the alumni, guys like Mimic, Polaris & Havok were all listed as alumni, it even listed their majors. However, quite a few X-Men were left out of the alumni list. Was that special not considered canon?




Madison Carter

Apr 8, 2010, 02:11 am

bigvis497 wrote:

Was curious about some of the inclusions, if there was a 4 or 5 page appendix, then Zabu would have wound up in the next volume where he belongs (since he's on the cover). Was there some sort of last minute change that led to him getting bumped ahead to this volume?
I thought that we would get Swords, Talismans & Tomes entries, possibly in the appendix (since they were all featured in the Mystic Arcana handbook). All those entries would have appeared alphabetically by now, any chance we'll see them get updated and expanded hardcover-style?
And Wild One was very random, Yeti was created to fill the half pagers, along with the Scarlotti Vulture, but what leads to an oddball like Wild One getting an entry, since he really doesn't have much of a connection to anything that's already appeared?

Long story short, we had a situation where we needed a space filled and as it was already set, had to fit between the characters on each side of it.




gorby

Apr 8, 2010, 05:27 am

Half page entries: Valkyrior Steeds, Vampire (Mr. E foe), Vargas, Videoman, Vulture (Scarlotti), Vulture (Drago), Vulture (Shallot)

For the letter V, I counted seven half page entries  :Confused:

Is there one missing ?




Sidney Osinga

Apr 8, 2010, 09:21 am

gorby wrote:

For the letter V, I counted seven half page entries  :Confused:

Is there one missing ?

Yes, VIRGIL.

As for the Wild One, he does have ties to one previous entry: Shanzar.





bigvis497

Apr 8, 2010, 10:28 am


Was Yandroth missing from this volume???




Andy E. Nystrom

Apr 8, 2010, 11:26 am

Madison Carter wrote:

Long story short, we had a situation where we needed a space filled and as it was already set, had to fit between the characters on each side of it.

That being the case, you chose a great illo, very much a "Bet you weren't expecting me" look.




Eduardo M.

Apr 8, 2010, 11:51 am

bigvis497 wrote:

Was Yandroth missing from this volume???

Hey, he's right. I don't see him listed in the spoiler list Sidney put up




Stuart V

Apr 8, 2010, 12:52 pm

Stuart V wrote:

Was Yandroth missing from this volume???

Yes. We goofed and overlooked him. He'll be in next volume.




Phoenixx9

Apr 8, 2010, 01:26 pm

Eduardo M. wrote:

I suspect he was hoping she'd be someone who gets a brand new entry since Master Man got one. Kinda like how I seem to recall some people were hoping for entries on Quincy Harker and Princess Python since their pets got entries

Many Thanks, Eduardo. That is exactly what I was hoping for and stating and for the reasons you mention. :rofl: Plus, she has appeared in the last 5 years, which used to be a criteria for inclusion. Also, as a character who successfully made the transition from "Golden Age" to "Modern Age", she deserves to be featured. She is also one of the first (few) super-powered women of the "Golden Age" and with super-strength to boot!

I guess they simply forgot her or that she exists. Hopefully, an entry will be forthcoming in one of the updates later this year!




Stuart V

Apr 8, 2010, 01:48 pm


We didn't forget her, and we'll fit her in when the opportunity arises. She's not a genuine Golden Age character either, btw - she first appeared in the Invaders in the late 1970s.




rplss

Apr 8, 2010, 10:37 pm

The Wild Child entry, expanded from 2pg (from OHOTMUAZ #12) to 3pg is a wonderful improvement over the previous version and the perfect example of why this hardcover series is so awesome. We were promised updated, expanded and new entries, and this one really fits the bill. Thanks for a great job!

The only complaint I have is that "Langkowski" is misspelled AGAIN. It keeps happening. Oddly, it was spelled properly in the 2pg version from OHOTMUAZ #12 but got itself misspelled in the HC issue. Use a spell checker please!




lurkerabove

Apr 9, 2010, 03:27 am


So will there be an entry for MI13 in the next volume




bigvis497

Apr 9, 2010, 09:49 am

lurkerabove wrote:

So will there be an entry for MI13 in the next volume

They haven't appeared in any handbooks yet, so most likely not. As far as them being a surprise entry, anything that hasn't been mentioned in solicitations yet can't be confirmed or denied by the writers, you'll have to wait until it comes out.




sucellos11

Apr 9, 2010, 10:29 am


Thanks for posting the list Sidney!

It seems like a very good volume overall. The X teams received a deluxe treatment indeed specially X-Men. As it was mentioned before I was also surprised by the length of Hank Pym and Vision's entries. Wolverine, Adam Warlock and Winter Guard received a nice expansion too. Congrats!

Just a note, it seems awkward having a Zabu entry in this volume and it appearing on the cover of the next, but the editors must have had good reasons for this choice nevertheless.




RVcousin

Apr 9, 2010, 11:13 am


Hello,

I just received my copy and once again it's a very good issue, but as an X-Men fan for 20 years, this issue is just AWESOME!!!

However i have some remarks, suggestions, corrections, questions, ...

In the X-Statix entry :
Jesus Diaz was made honorary member in X-Statix #14

In the Xavier Institute entry :
1) Sean Garrison joined as Guidance Counselor in New X-Men Academy X #12
2) In Generation X Collector's Preview one-shot, a list of names are listed as Faculty and associates : Forge (Techincal/Engineering), Lilandra (Intergalactic Affairs), Valerie Cooper (Federal Liaison), Fred Duncan (Federal Liaison), Carol Danvers (International Affairs)
3) Sunspot must be noted as "also a teacher", since Young X-Men #6.

In the X-Men entry :
1) Indra is missing in the X-Men-In-Training Roster. He currently appears in X-Men Legacy
2) Nekra and Frenzy helped during the "Utopia" riots, but they are not listed in the members list
3) Diamond Lil and Meld helped (and even died) during the Necrosha attacks, but they are not listed in the members list
4) Why is Aurora listed as a current member ?
5) Deadpool received a probationnary membership by Cyclops in Deadpool #16
6) Sunder's real name is Mark Hallett, revealed in the Marvel Atlas #2
7) Fantomex & EVA apparently joined the team in Uncanny X-Men #521
8) In that same issue, an atlantean mutant in costume appeared. Is he a X-Men-In-Training or just a student or simply nothing ?
9) Wolf Cub is missing from the X-Men-In-Training roster and he is listed as a member in his entry published in the Upadte 2010 #1
10) Apparently X-23 joined the main team in the recent Second Coming one-shot.
11) Why are the "Dark" X-Men not listed as a sub-team ?
12) Between the roster from the 2005 X-Men Handbook and this issue, the Xavier Institute Faculty roster as disapeared. Why ?

Sorry for all this questions, but once again amazing issue and as always very good job.




sucellos11

Apr 9, 2010, 11:19 am


One question to anyone who got it: how many pages is the Weapon X (Exiles) entry? Thanks in advance.




RVcousin

Apr 9, 2010, 11:43 am

sucellos11 wrote:

One question to anyone who got it: how many pages is the Weapon X (Exiles) entry? Thanks in advance.

It's a 1-page entry.




bigvis497

Apr 9, 2010, 11:58 am

RVcousin wrote:

Hello,

I just received my copy and once again it's a very good issue, but as an X-Men fan for 20 years, this issue is just AWESOME!!!

However i have some remarks, suggestions, corrections, questions, ...

In the X-Statix entry :
Jesus Diaz was made honorary member in X-Statix #14

In the Xavier Institute entry :
1) Sean Garrison joined as Guidance Counselor in New X-Men Academy X #12
2) In Generation X Collector's Preview one-shot, a list of names are listed as Faculty and associates : Forge (Techincal/Engineering), Lilandra (Intergalactic Affairs), Valerie Cooper (Federal Liaison), Fred Duncan (Federal Liaison), Carol Danvers (International Affairs)
3) Sunspot must be noted as "also a teacher", since Young X-Men #6.

In the X-Men entry :
1) Indra is missing in the X-Men-In-Training Roster. He currently appears in X-Men Legacy
2) Nekra and Frenzy helped during the "Utopia" riots, but they are not listed in the members list
3) Diamond Lil and Meld helped (and even died) during the Necrosha attacks, but they are not listed in the members list
4) Why is Aurora listed as a current member ?
5) Deadpool received a probationnary membership by Cyclops in Deadpool #16
6) Sunder's real name is Mark Hallett, revealed in the Marvel Atlas #2
7) Fantomex & EVA apparently joined the team in Uncanny X-Men #521
8) In that same issue, an atlantean mutant in costume appeared. Is he a X-Men-In-Training or just a student or simply nothing ?
9) Wolf Cub is missing from the X-Men-In-Training roster and he is listed as a member in his entry published in the Upadte 2010 #1
10) Apparently X-23 joined the main team in the recent Second Coming one-shot.
11) Why are the "Dark" X-Men not listed as a sub-team ?
12) Between the roster from the 2005 X-Men Handbook and this issue, the Xavier Institute Faculty roster as disapeared. Why ?

Sorry for all this questions, but once again amazing issue and as always very good job.

I asked the same question regarding that Generation X Preview special, I wonder if it's not considered canon.

Regarding who is or isn't an X-Man, this issue has become so ridiculously confusing since the Manifest Destiny storyline. The writers (comic writers, not you handbook guys) really need to make it clear. It's been stated that anyone on the Utopia Island is an X-Man, then only some of them are, all the sub teams are then they aren't, there's so many background characters that don't get speaking parts it's hard to know for sure. Elixer's individual entry listed him as an X-Man, here he's listed in the sub-teams. I read X-Men Legacy as well as Uncanny every month and there were some headshots in here that made me do a double take "wait, when were they given membership?"

Regarding the Dark X-Men, I wouldn't consider them a team the same way I wouldn't consider the Dark Avengers real Avengers. They have nothing to do with the real teams besides name, they're more like imposters.




Stuart V

Apr 9, 2010, 12:15 pm

RVcousin wrote:

In the Xavier Institute entry :
1) Sean Garrison joined as Guidance Counselor in New X-Men Academy X #12
2) In Generation X Collector's Preview one-shot, a list of names are listed as Faculty and associates : Forge (Techincal/Engineering), Lilandra (Intergalactic Affairs), Valerie Cooper (Federal Liaison), Fred Duncan (Federal Liaison), Carol Danvers (International Affairs)
3) Sunspot must be noted as "also a teacher", since Young X-Men #6.

Leaving the X-Men queries until I can check the the entry writer:
1) Yes. We missed him. Sorry.
2) Not actually considered faculty or school staff. Connected to the school, but not part of it.
3) By Young X-Men the Xavier Institute is gone. Yes, a new establishment including eductional facilities was set up by Cyclops in San Francisco, but the original one is no more, at least for the moment.




RVcousin

Apr 9, 2010, 02:47 pm

Stuart V wrote:

2) Not actually considered faculty or school staff. Connected to the school, but not part of it.

Well, actually Forge is listed under the Faculty and not associates.

I also noted that Gambit was not mentioned as a teacher and I've got a question : why didn't you give a name to Storm's squas, just like you did for Gambit, Rogue, Pryde, ... ?




Rayeye

Apr 9, 2010, 03:26 pm


I haven't got the handbook yet (I hope the comic shop has my copy when I visit it tomorrow), but could someone tell me if the Xavier Institute students from the X-Men Unlimited stories (Andy, Jaime Vanderwall, Linus Sinker, etc.) were also included in the list of students in the Xavier Institute profile?




RVcousin

Apr 9, 2010, 03:48 pm

Rayeye wrote:

I haven't got the handbook yet (I hope the comic shop has my copy when I visit it tomorrow), but could someone tell me if the Xavier Institute students from the X-Men Unlimited stories (Andy, Jaime Vanderwall, Linus Sinker, etc.) were also included in the list of students in the Xavier Institute profile?

There is no list members, but headshots for apparently each and evry student ever appeared and they all received Codenames, real names, powers and issue reference (like the Marvel Pets Handbooks appendix). Unnamed Squads and unnamed members receive also names (like the 6 Rogue's Squad members)
Example : Andy becomes
Cryptid
(Andy Hartnell)
bestial form, X-Men Unlimited #1 (2004)

This goes for every student, Faculty and Staff members from the original X-Men to New Mutants to Generation X to the destruction of the school at the end of Messiah Complex. A total of 167 characters are referenced.

This is definitevely the most important (well-done) job done on a Handbook entry in my opinion.




Rayeye

Apr 10, 2010, 05:50 pm


I got my copy today. I really like the profiles of the X-teams. I especially like the new information of real names and code names in profiles such as the X-Men, X-Statix and the Xavier Institute.

Very cool that you guys didn't forget to include students like Spencer Bronson, James Prindle, the students from X-Men Unlimited issues and Seth Walker. Although nice to see one of the Advocates was given the name of Aurelie Sabayon, since she was only mentioned in the House of M: Decimation - the Day After oneshot.

I also wonder why Ernst and Martha Johansson aren't considered X-Men-in-training, while the rest of the remaining X-students are so. Both were also seen at Utopia.

Still I missed some students: Amber, Molly, Floyd Carter, Greg van Meter, Skywalker, Jorge Lucas, Bartholomew Grice. But I guess it's because most of them were only mentioned, they were not listed.

And shouldn't Carter Ghazikhanian have been included as well, or wasn't he a member of the lower school?

RVcousin wrote:

In the X-Men entry :
1) Indra is missing in the X-Men-In-Training Roster. He currently appears in X-Men Legacy
2) Nekra and Frenzy helped during the "Utopia" riots, but they are not listed in the members list
3) Diamond Lil and Meld helped (and even died) during the Necrosha attacks, but they are not listed in the members list
4) Why is Aurora listed as a current member ?
5) Deadpool received a probationnary membership by Cyclops in Deadpool #16
6) Sunder's real name is Mark Hallett, revealed in the Marvel Atlas #2
7) Fantomex & EVA apparently joined the team in Uncanny X-Men #521
8) In that same issue, an atlantean mutant in costume appeared. Is he a X-Men-In-Training or just a student or simply nothing ?
9) Wolf Cub is missing from the X-Men-In-Training roster and he is listed as a member in his entry published in the Upadte 2010 #1
10) Apparently X-23 joined the main team in the recent Second Coming one-shot.
11) Why are the "Dark" X-Men not listed as a sub-team ?
12) Between the roster from the 2005 X-Men Handbook and this issue, the Xavier Institute Faculty roster as disapeared. Why ?

1/9) I think it's just an error Indra and Wolf Cub were left out in the roster. Poor Indra was also forgotten in X-Men: the 198 Files, so I think omission is his second mutant power [img]file:///C:\Users\Andy\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image001.gif[/img]
2/3) I don't know for sure, but I think living on Utopia doesn't make you automatically an X-Man or X-Men trainee. Otherwise mutants like Toad, Bliss, Stinger, etc. should have been included as well.
4) Aurora apparently joined the team in the Secret Invasion: X-Men miniseries.
8) The Atlantean mutant is called Crosta. Namor sent him to Utopia in an Dark Reign issue (sorry, I can't remember which oneshot it was).
10) I think that was too recent to have it included in the handbook.
 
Sidney Osinga

Apr 10, 2010, 08:01 pm

Rayeye wrote:

And shouldn't Carter Ghazikhanian have been included as well, or wasn't he a member of the lower school?

He was. First page of head shots ,last in the second row.

And I see from the list of full X-Men that Joseph isn't the only X-Men not to get an entry. There's also Dr. Nemesis and Ariel, both of whom I'd like to see get entries soon, the former because I like Golden Age characters and the latter because I'm a fan of the Fallen Angels mini series.

Why wasn't Phoenix II/Rachel Summers included? And why was Rachel Grey in her place? Furthermore, why were the letter X entries divided the way they were? I don't think there's any type of filing (for lack of a better word) system that includes hyphens like that.




Rayeye

Apr 10, 2010, 08:03 pm


Phoenix/Rachel Summers and Marvel Girl/Rachel Grey are the same person. I know some people think they are two different versions of Rachel, but her Handbook profile states they are the same person.
By the way, I mentioned Molly and Jorge Lucas in my previous post as not being included, but I was wrong. They were listed as Cephalopod (Molly Stanwick) and Saurus (Jorge Lukas). Since Jorge's gravestone was later seen at the Xavier Institute graveyard, Saurus has thus died (probably like Jeffrey Garrett when the Institute was destroyed).




Sidney Osinga

Apr 10, 2010, 08:59 pm

Rayeye wrote:

 
Phoenix/Rachel Summers and Marvel Girl/Rachel Grey are the same person. I know some people think they are two different versions of Rachel, but her Handbook profile states they are the same person.

And Mopee was responsible for giving Barry Allen his powers. Sorry, but I refuse to believe it. And the profile didn't explain how they could be the same person. It said that an elderly Rachel Summers died in the future and then Cable found a young Rachel Grey in an alternate reality. No connection between the two was ever given.




shazam2271

Apr 10, 2010, 11:49 pm

Just got my copy today. Just starting to read it from the beginning...but I did quickly look through it. Looks to be a great volume and can't wait to get into reading it in depth. Liked the mention of the stuntman Human Fly in the White Tiger (Hector's) profile as well as the mention of Rojatt's real name and the mentioning of the Star Comics characters in the X-babies profile. The one thing that bummed me out was no mention of the Pet avengers in Lockjaw's profile. I hope that the profile had been done and included too soon to add that. I really hope that's the case. I really don't see no reason why the Pet Avengers can't be part of 616. Here's crossing my fingers.




Eduardo M.

Apr 11, 2010, 01:47 am

Sidney Osinga wrote:

And Mopee was responsible for giving Barry Allen his powers. Sorry, but I refuse to believe it. And the profile didn't explain how they could be the same person. It said that an elderly Rachel Summers died in the future and then Cable found a young Rachel Grey in an alternate reality. No connection between the two was ever given.

It might not explain how elderly Rachel came back to life and became he young Rachel Cable found but for now, the entry and all official Marvel comics and related media treat Rachel Grey and Rachel Summers as the same person and until a writer comes in and changes that, that's the way it is.




Andy E. Nystrom

Apr 11, 2010, 03:22 am

shazam2271 wrote:

The one thing that bummed me out was no mention of the Pet avengers in Lockjaw's profile. I hope that the profile had been done and included too soon to add that. I really hope that's the case. I really don't see no reason why the Pet Avengers can't be part of 616. Here's crossing my fingers.

I was confused until I realized you probably meant Zabu (be careful: you know how insulting it is to a cat to be called a dog!) You're right, that is puzzling. I think of that series as canon as well. Given there was a Marvel Pets Handbook not too long ago as a result of the mini, I'm guessing time or oversight as well. I also disagree with his intelligence on the Power Grid. Once while captured he got some of his captors to enter the cage, at which point he leapt out and locked the door behind him. That kind of strategy requires more Intelligence than 1.




Rayeye

Apr 11, 2010, 06:16 am


After reading a lot of profiles, personally this handbook is my favorite one so far!

A few comments:
- Random is not listed as a member in X-Factor (federal team), while he was considered a member in his own profile
- X-23 is missing as a member of X-Men; her own profile states her as an X-Man
- Tokyo's Arena is missing under Yukio's group affilation




Stuart V

Apr 12, 2010, 08:07 am

Okay, have checked with my fellow writers, and have a few responses to some of the questions and comments. Others replies to follow when I hear back from the relevant writers.
In the Xavier Institute entry :

RVcousin wrote:

1) Sean Garrison joined as Guidance Counselor in New X-Men Academy X #12

Okay, a correction to my prior answer. Garrison was offered the post in NX:AX #12, and, after deliberation, accepted the offer at the end of the issue. But he said he couldn't take up the post until the start of the new term, and before that happened M-Day did. As a result, he never actually joined the school. That's why he wasn't listed.

RVcousin wrote:

In the X-Men entry :
1) Indra is missing in the X-Men-In-Training Roster. He currently appears in X-Men Legacy

From the X-Men entry writer: he's a student, not an x-man-in-training. it was decided he has never been on missions, nor would be, as his pacifistic/spiritual beliefs would be irrevocably compromised as an x-man.

RVcousin wrote:

2) Nekra and Frenzy helped during the "Utopia" riots, but they are not listed in the members list

they never were given x-man status. they were simply mutants that helped out. not all the mutants that came to san fran/utopia are given x-men status.
those two are examples.

RVcousin wrote:

3) Diamond Lil and Meld helped (and even died) during the Necrosha attacks, but they are not listed in the members list

same as #2 above.

RVcousin wrote:

4) Why is Aurora listed as a current member ?

because she is. she was given membership in secret invasion, and is still a member, but doesn't go on many missions, but could be at utopia within minutes if called to be. this was an editorial decision.

RVcousin wrote:

5) Deadpool received a probationnary membership by Cyclops in Deadpool #16

nope. it was a ruse to make him think he was an x-man to keep him out of trouble. the last issue in that story explicitly states he wasn't an x-man. never was, never will be (paraphrasing cyclops).

RVcousin wrote:

6) Sunder's real name is Mark Hallett, revealed in the Marvel Atlas #2

drat! an oversight. thank you for catching it.

RVcousin wrote:

7) Fantomex & EVA apparently joined the team in Uncanny X-Men #521

that issue released after the entry was finished, and even then, I think it's not convinced they joined.

RVcousin wrote:

8) In that same issue, an atlantean mutant in costume appeared. Is he a X-Men-In-Training or just a student or simply nothing ?

not an x-man in any capacity.

RVcousin wrote:

9) Wolf Cub is missing from the X-Men-In-Training roster and he is listed as a member in his entry published in the Upadte 2010 #1

when that came out, we didn't know it wasn't actually cyclops, so issues 1-5 have the kids thinking they were x-men-in-training when they really weren't. his profile reflects what was believed at the time. he died before they were officially brought into the real training program in #6.

RVcousin wrote:

10) Apparently X-23 joined the main team in the recent Second Coming one-shot.

which came out after the profile was completed.
And my addition - the X-23 entry was in error because I mistakenly took it that membership in the secret X-Force sub-team automatically gave membership in the X-Men too. It doesn't, though she has subsequently gained membership (so the X-23 entry was wrong but isn't any more).

RVcousin wrote:

11) Why are the "Dark" X-Men not listed as a sub-team ?

they're not affiliated with the xmen. they're osborn's team, not the xmen.

RVcousin wrote:

12) Between the roster from the 2005 X-Men Handbook and this issue, the Xavier Institute Faculty roster as disapeared. Why ?

because this was about the xmen, not the school. the faculty got its own profile in the book.

Rayeye wrote:

I also wonder why Ernst and Martha Johansson aren't considered X-Men-in-training, while the rest of the remaining X-students are so. Both were also seen at Utopia.

not all students are x-men-in-training. those two are students only. never served on an x-squad.




Moira Brandon

Apr 12, 2010, 12:04 pm


Hello Stuart.
Just few comments:
- I thought Energizer (Katie Power) was made an honorary member of the X-Men after her siblings were captured by the Morlocks and Katie helped the X-Men capture those responsible in Uncanny X-Men #195 (1985).
- I would be happy if there were some other categories of membership like Allies or honorary members (Candy Southern, Lilandra, Spider-Woman, Carol Danvers, Callisto, Madelyne Prior, Gateway or Red Lotus)
- Good point to put the names of rare and missing characters that were unnamed as Choir, Longneck, Forearm or the Rogue Squad...very good
- I dont understand the issue of the membership of Cipher as an X-Man, because she is listed as an X-man (add hoc) at 2002 while she appeared for the first time in 2008...
BTW, very good and accurate profile, as always!! [img]file:///C:\Users\Andy\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image001.gif[/img]
Thanks for all!




slevin87

Apr 12, 2010, 02:09 pm


The X-Men (2099) entry seems to be missing some text. The second paragraph begins with a sentence fragment, "son Lytton and daughter Desdemona."

RVcousin
Apr 12, 2010, 03:12 pm

Stuart V wrote:

when that came out, we didn't know it wasn't actually cyclops, so issues 1-5 have the kids thinking they were x-men-in-training when they really weren't. his profile reflects what was believed at the time. he died before they were officially brought into the real training program in #6.

I understand what you mean, but in my opinion, he died like a X-Man, knowing it wasn't Cyclops.

Stuart V wrote:

because this was about the xmen, not the school. the faculty got its own profile in the book.

And so is X-Force, but they are also listed as members. It was said in the 2005 Handbook and by the authors DeFilippis and Weir at CBR during their New X-Men run that the full-time teachers are full-fledged X-Men.

For the rest, I'm agree.
 
rplss

Apr 12, 2010, 10:04 pm


With reference to Aurora as a member of the X-Men:

Stuart V wrote:

because she is. she was given membership in secret invasion, and is still a member, but doesn't go on many missions, but could be at utopia within minutes if called to be. this was an editorial decision.

There's a missing backstory here then. Both Aurora and Northstar showed up in San Fran when called in Secret Invasion: X-Men #2. You're saying that Aurora was given membership, but Northstar wasn't? Or he was offered membership too, but declined? Much later, Northstar was offered membership in Uncanny #508 when, right in front of Aurora, Wolverine asked him to join. No mention in that book of Aurora being a member, although Wolverine made mention of the Secret Invasion battle. No mention of Aurora being a member in Dark X-Men: The Beginning #3, either. I wonder what happened in San Fran when only one of them joined up and not the other?




Sidney Osinga

Apr 12, 2010, 11:22 pm

Moira Brandon wrote:

Hello Stuart.
Just few comments:
- I thought Energizer (Katie Power) was made an honorary member of the X-Men after her siblings were captured by the Morlocks and Katie helped the X-Men capture those responsible in Uncanny X-Men #195 (1985).
- I would be happy if there were some other categories of membership like Allies or honorary members (Candy Southern, Lilandra, Spider-Woman, Carol Danvers, Callisto, Madelyne Prior, Gateway or Red Lotus)

Since the X-Men doesn't have as formal as team as the Avengers, I think being called a honorary member doesn't mean as much. As for allies, since they have allied with so much of the Marvel U at one time or another, a list of them would be ridiculously long.

Anyways, I really enjoyed this issue, with all the expanded entries. I especially liked the Winter Guard entry, as it covered the team much better than the one from the Teams Handbook (which was more about Russian superbeings in general) and the Xavier Institute.

Now I wouldn't be me if I didn't complain about something, so: I think the main picture for Katherine Waynesboro is too small, although I understand that was because of how much text there was in the entry; I also feel the pictures for X-23, X-Man, and Yukio are too contorted and didn't display them well enough; I was disappointed that Weapon Ten entry wasn't divided up, as even the entry said they were two different programs; and finally, I'm also disappointed that the original X-Factor team only got one page. I feel that it should have at least been two.

Finally, a couple observations. The Warriors Three's physical information wasn't included in the entry, leading me to wonder if they'll get character entries at some point. And I also realized that the Blackbird (the X-Men's jet) hasn't got an entry.




Madison Carter

Apr 13, 2010, 01:45 am

Sidney Osinga wrote:

I was disappointed that Weapon Ten entry wasn't divided up, as even the entry said they were two different programs; .

Editorial decision. Even though the various Weapon programs branch and weave, they still intertwine at key parts; as such, it was decided they should be dealt with as one entry.




Moira Brandon

Apr 13, 2010, 05:57 am

Sidney Osinga wrote:

Since the X-Men doesn't have as formal as team as the Avengers, I think being called a honorary member doesn't mean as much. As for allies, since they have allied with so much of the Marvel U at one time or another, a list of them would be ridiculously long.

Yes, you are right, the X-men is not like an Avengers team, but I remember that, in this issue, Rachel gave Katie a jacket and said to her "now you are officiale an X-man" or something like this...I supose it counts, doesnt it?
Thanks




RVcousin

Apr 13, 2010, 06:21 am

Madison Carter wrote:

Editorial decision. Even though the various Weapon programs branch and weave, they still intertwine at key parts; as such, it was decided they should be dealt with as one entry.

In this entry there is a mention in the membership of a Vindicator, but nothing in the history.

Do you have any issues for reference, please ?

Thanks,




Sidney Osinga

Apr 13, 2010, 07:23 pm

Moira Brandon wrote:

Yes, you are right, the X-men is not like an Avengers team, but I remember that, in this issue, Rachel gave Katie a jacket and said to her "now you are officiale an X-man" or something like this...I supose it counts, doesnt it?
Thanks  

Actually, it was Kitty who did it, but she could have said it just to cheer Katie up. Her membership wasn't mentioned in any further appearances, such as Uncanny #205, or in her Master Edition entry. Still, it'd be nice for one of the Handbook staff to give an official ruling.

And the exact quote was "This jacket makes you an honorary X-Man. Nobody else in the world has one like it."




Rayeye

Apr 14, 2010, 04:45 pm


After reading the X-Men 2099 profile, I have some comments/questions:
- Why is Tim Fitzgerald not named and listed by his codename, Skullfire? I am pretty sure that is his codename.
- I never knew Driver was a mutant, I always thought he was a cyborg. Where was it revealed he was a mutant?
- On the 2nd page a character called Ironclad is mentioned, I guess this should actually be Metalhead?

Anyway, very nice job on this profile, guys! Here's hoping more 2099 entries will come along the way!




Madison Carter

Apr 15, 2010, 01:16 am

Rayeye wrote:

- Why is Tim Fitzgerald not named and listed by his codename, Skullfire? I am pretty sure that is his codename.!

Actually, he never officially used that as a codename.




Michael Regan

Apr 15, 2010, 09:31 am


Where are you getting that codename from, Rayeye?




bigvis497

Apr 15, 2010, 10:01 am

Michael Regan wrote:

Where are you getting that codename from, Rayeye?

I vaguely remember there was a 2099 character named Skullfire in various trading cards and action figures in the early 90's. I don't know if that's what you guys are referring to, I know bugger-all about 2099.




Rayeye

Apr 15, 2010, 04:06 pm

Rayeye wrote:

Perhaps the name was not used by himself in the issues, but the codename was more than often used by Marvel, lfor examplle on the cover of X-Men 2099 #7 ("You know him as Tim ... now you meet him as Skullfire!"), La Lunatica called him Skullfire on the cover of X-Men 2099 #12, the cover of X-Men 2099 #24 reads "Skullfire and Luna meet the Norns!", he was called that way many times in the letter pages and recently the Marvel Legacy: the 1990's handbook listed him as Skullfire. I also remember his action figure being called Skullfire.

So perhaps the codename was not used by Tim or his team mates, the name was certainly meant to be his codename by the writers.




Roger Ott

Apr 24, 2010, 12:22 am


A bit late to the party, I just received this today in the mail, and as always, a stellar tome of work by the OHOTMU crew! The X-Men related entries alone are exhaustive. I've got a bit of reading to do tonight between this and the new Iron Manual.




Sidney Osinga

Apr 26, 2010, 01:15 am


Just a couple of comments:

I think it's neat that they mentioned Wendigo teaming up with the Abomination (in the fourth paragraph of the history) as that's a reference to a Hostess Twinkee's ad.

In the Wolverine entry, there's a mention of a Weapon Ten associate named Kiefer who wasn't listed in the Weapon Ten entry. I assume this was a simple omission.




Eric J. Moreels

Apr 26, 2010, 03:08 am


Perhaps the name was not used by himself in the issues, but the codename was more than often used by Marvel, lfor examplle on the cover of X-Men 2099 #7 ("You know him as Tim ... now you meet him as Skullfire!"), La Lunatica called him Skullfire on the cover of X-Men 2099 #12, the cover of X-Men 2099 #24 reads "Skullfire and Luna meet the Norns!", he was called that way many times in the letter pages and recently the Marvel Legacy: the 1990's handbook listed him as Skullfire. I also remember his action figure being called Skullfire.
He was also referred to as Skullfire on trading cards.

I wrote the 90's Handbook entry for X-Men 2099 wherein Skullfire was listed as his codename, and kept it in for my rewritten version for the HC. I'm assuming that whomever took it over from me must have decided that because he wasn't called that in-story then it wasn't his codename.




Sidney Osinga

Apr 28, 2010, 02:14 am

slevin87 wrote:

The X-Men (2099) entry seems to be missing some text. The second paragraph begins with a sentence fragment, "son Lytton and daughter Desdemona."

- On the 2nd page a character called Ironclad is mentioned, I guess this should actually be Metalhead?

I found a couple more mistakes in the X-Men (2099 AD) entry.

In the second paragraph, it says injuries caused Xi'an's mutant powers to manifest. That's not true, he already the power to destroy things at a touch of his left hand, the injuries caused him to manifest healing powers from his right. Also, since he was only called Desert Ghost a few times, is it really accurate to list him as that?

In the fifth paragraph, there's a sentence that reads in part "encounted the Free Radicals, techno-anarchistsMeanstreak briefly aided Boone..." While it looks like only a comma is missing, I feel it would have to have left this the way it was in the Marvel Legacy: 1990 Handbook , "encounted the techno-anarchists the Free Radicals,"

Why is there so many mistakes in one entry?




ultrabasurero

May 3, 2010, 11:33 pm

I finally got this today. I thought I got it 2 weeks ago, but the place I bought it from accidentally sent me Vol. 1. I sent it back and finally got this today, but then I start flipping through and then I notice there's a page folded over and a giant crease on the Jim Wilson/Windshear page. Grrrr.

Another job well done for the OHOTMU team.

ultrabasurero

May 4, 2010, 09:22 am


In retrospect, I find that the Alpha Flight entry should have received more than 3 pages. The Winter Guard got 4 and Alpha Flight even had a long ongoing series.




 

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