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Anything Else Pop Culture Related » Things People Don't Keep Getting Wrong - Non-Marvel » 12/20/2024 5:09 pm

I thought I had posted this one before:

Incorrect: The Star Wars Holiday Special was a Christmas special.
Truth: The special aired on November 17, 1978, tying it to US Thanksgiving, not Christmas.

While not much stuck with me until I rewatched it decades later (at which point it was a whole new experience for me), I do recall watching it when it originally aired, and that it was in November, so I'm pretty sure the November 17 date that online sources use is accurate.

Anything Else Pop Culture Related » Things People Don't Keep Getting Wrong - Non-Marvel » 12/17/2024 7:35 pm

Incorrect: Superman is a Canadian creation
Truth: Artist Joe Shuster was born in Toronto, but he had moved to Cleveland by the time he met Jerry Siegel, who was arguably more of the driving force with the character. This is not to diminish his role; there's an energy to his art that probably contributed greatly to the strip's success as did his early depictions of Superman/Clark Kent and Lois Lane, but, and I say this as a Canadian myself, Superman is more of a US creation than Canadian.

This misconception is probably predominately Canadian. I suspect this it's largely due to Canada Post once releasing postage stamps depicting five superheroes from Canada (in the real world, not in-story like Wolverine). Superman was included, likely due to Shuster and the desire to include a much more prominent superhero than, say, Captain Canuck, who was probably the next best known character among them.
 

Not Marvel nor DC Mulitiverse - AI Written Profiles » Roy Batty » 12/04/2024 9:22 am

Mostly okay, though calling symbolism an accessory is a bit of a reach.

Not Marvel nor DC Mulitiverse - AI Written Profiles » Roy Batty » 12/04/2024 9:22 am

Real Name: Roy Batty
Aliases: N6MAA10816
Identity: Known replicant (artificial human)
Occupation: Combat model replicant, Leader of Nexus-6 rebel group
Citizenship: None (manufactured by Tyrell Corporation)
Place of Birth: Tyrell Corporation, Los Angeles, USA (off-world manufacturing facility)
Known Relatives: None (artificially created)
Group Affiliation: Nexus-6 Replicants (leader of rogue group)
Education: Combat programming and tactical knowledge; extensive experiential learning from off-world campaigns
First Appearance: Blade Runner (1982 film) 
History: Roy Batty was a Nexus-6 replicant designed by the Tyrell Corporation as a combat model for off-world colonies. Programmed for superior strength, agility, and intelligence, he was intended for warfare and hazardous missions deemed too dangerous for humans. Despite his artificial origins, Roy developed self-awareness, emotions, and a yearning for individuality, traits that became central to his rebellion against his creators.
 Roy led a small group of rogue Nexus-6 replicants, including Pris, Leon, and Zhora, in fleeing to Earth, where replicants were outlawed. Their mission was clear: confront Eldon Tyrell, the creator of the Nexus line, and demand a solution to their predetermined four-year lifespan, a design flaw intended to prevent emotional instability.
 In his journey, Roy demonstrated both ruthlessness and compassion. He showed little hesitation in using violence to achieve his goals, yet he also displayed moments of profound humanity, especially in his final confrontation with Rick Deckard, the Blade Runner tasked with hunting him and his companions. In a climactic scene atop a rain-soaked building, Roy delivered a poignant monologue reflecting on his life experiences, encapsulated in the phrase “like tears in rain.”
 His final act was one of mercy, saving Deckard’s life before succumbing to his expiration. Roy

Marvel Mulitiverse - AI Written Profiles » Rachel Sweet (Earth-616) » 12/04/2024 9:09 am

Actually she's a recurring Dire Wraith scientist.

Marvel Mulitiverse - AI Written Profiles » Rom » 12/04/2024 9:07 am

I tried to clarify that I wanted ChatGPT to create a profile for Rachel Sweet from Rom but it misunderstood and did another Rom profile. Might as well add it here:

Real Name: Rom of Galador
Aliases: The Spaceknight, Wraithslayer, Lord of the Solstar Order
Identity: Public (widely known among intergalactic civilizations)
Occupation: Spaceknight, Protector of Galador, Intergalactic Hero
Citizenship: Galadorian
Place of Birth: Galador (a distant planet in a technologically advanced star system)
Known Relatives: None known
Group Affiliation: Spaceknights of Galador
Education: Trained by the Solstar Order in combat, strategy, and intergalactic diplomacy
First Appearance: Rom #1 (December 1979) 
History: Rom was once an ordinary man on the utopian planet Galador, a member of a peaceful and advanced civilization. However, when the malevolent Dire Wraiths—a race of shape-shifting aliens—threatened his world, Rom volunteered to become one of the first Spaceknights, warriors dedicated to defending Galador and the galaxy. Sacrificing his humanity, Rom was fused with advanced cybernetic armor, gaining immense power and near-immortality to combat the Dire Wraith menace.
Armed with the Neutralizer, a weapon capable of banishing Dire Wraiths to limbo, Rom embarked on a relentless crusade to eradicate their threat. His journey took him to Earth, where he discovered that the Wraiths had infiltrated the planet, posing as humans to sow chaos. Initially misunderstood and feared as an invader, Rom eventually earned the trust and respect of Earth’s heroes and inhabitants by exposing the Wraiths' schemes and fighting alongside Earth’s defenders.
Rom's mission is both noble and tragic; while he is a hero to many, his transformation into a Spaceknight came at great personal cost. Stripped of his physical humanity, Rom wrestles with his sense of identity and longing for the life he left behind. Des

Marvel Mulitiverse - AI Written Profiles » Rachel Sweet (Earth-616) » 12/04/2024 9:06 am

Real Name: Rachel Sweet
Aliases: None
Identity: Public
Occupation: Student, Ally of Rom
Citizenship: United States
Place of Birth: Clairton, West Virginia, USA
Known Relatives: Jacob Sweet (father), Marie Sweet (mother)
Group Affiliation: None (ally to Rom and other defenders of Clairton)
Education: High school student
First Appearance: Rom: Spaceknight #4 (March 1980)
 History: Rachel Sweet was an ordinary teenager living in the small town of Clairton, West Virginia, when her life was forever changed by the arrival of Rom, the Spaceknight. Rachel, along with her best friend Brandy Clark and other townsfolk, became embroiled in Rom’s war against the Dire Wraiths, an alien race bent on conquering Earth through infiltration and subterfuge.
Initially skeptical of Rom and his claims about the Dire Wraith threat, Rachel witnessed firsthand the horrors the Wraiths inflicted on her town and quickly became one of Rom’s most loyal allies. Despite her lack of superhuman abilities, Rachel displayed extraordinary courage in aiding Rom and resisting the Wraiths’ attempts to manipulate or harm the people of Clairton.
Rachel’s bravery and resourcefulness were pivotal during several Dire Wraith invasions, often rallying the townspeople to stand together against the alien threat. However, the escalating conflict came at great cost; the Dire Wraiths eventually decimated Clairton, leaving Rachel and the other survivors to grapple with the destruction of their once-peaceful lives. Rachel’s experiences during the war hardened her resolve, and she grew into a fierce advocate for standing up against tyranny and evil, even in the face of overwhelming odds.
Though she remained a civilian, Rachel’s loyalty to Rom and her strong moral compass made her an indispensable part of his fight to save Earth. Her friendship with Brandy Clark and her bond with Rom symbolize the resilience of ordinary peopl

Not Marvel nor DC Mulitiverse - AI Written Profiles » Rachel Sweet (Real World) » 12/04/2024 8:58 am

I didn't know about this real world person when I tried to create a profile for the Rom character.
Real Name: Rachel Sweet
Aliases: None
Identity: Public
Occupation: Singer, Songwriter, Actress, Voiceover Artist
Citizenship: United States of America
Place of Birth: Akron, Ohio, USA
Known Relatives: Bernard Sweet (father)
Group Affiliation: None
Education: Studied at Columbia University
First Appearance: Music debut with Fool Around (1978)
History: Rachel Sweet began her career as a child singer, performing in commercials and country music shows. Born in Akron, Ohio, Rachel displayed a precocious talent for music, beginning her professional career by the age of 12. Her early performances gained her recognition within the country music circuit, and she was soon signed to the British indie label Stiff Records.
 Her debut album, Fool Around, released in 1978 when she was only 16, showcased her distinctive voice and blend of pop, punk, and country influences. The album produced hits like “B-A-B-Y” and earned her critical acclaim for her maturity as a performer. Despite being a teenager, Rachel's style carried a retro charm with a contemporary edge, drawing comparisons to rockabilly and new wave icons.
 Throughout the late 1970s and 1980s, Rachel expanded her repertoire, experimenting with various genres and transitioning from music to television and voice acting. Her single “Everlasting Love,” a duet with Rex Smith, achieved chart success and brought her greater visibility. She released multiple albums during this period, continuing to refine her sound and attract a dedicated fanbase.
 By the mid-1980s, Rachel shifted focus to television and voiceover work. She became the host of The Sweet Life, a comedy talk show on the USA Network, and later contributed voice work to various projects. Her ability to adapt to different creative roles allowed her to maintain rele

Anything Else Pop Culture Related » Pop Culture Obituaries » 11/30/2024 6:23 pm

RIP Morgan Lofting: May Parker and Black Cat in 1980s Spider-Man cartoon series (the solo one, not Amazing Friends), The Baroness on G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/morgan-lofting-dead-baroness-gi-joe-1236074053/

Individual Official Marvel Indices Discussion » Thor: Official Index to the Marvel Universe tpb » 11/30/2024 4:12 pm

Artie wrote:

Hello, I recently bought this and noticed it's missing the pages with issues #101-127, but it doesn't look damaged. Is anyone else's copy like this? And is there anywhere I can read the missing pages?

I know the missing page with #146-148 is in the Avengers index. Are these there too?

It sounds like you have a misprinted copy unfortunately; that or the book is more damaged than it appears. By any chance are any of the pages duplicated? if so, that would definitely point to a misprint. Only the one sheet is in the Avengers because every copy of the Thor index is missing that one page. Unfortunately because you're missing so many pages, any online sources reproducing them would go beyond fair use. My best suggestion is to try to return it and order another copy, I wish I had better news.
 

Reference Works that are Non-Marvel/Not Officially Marvel » Marvel Superheroes Role-Playing Games Listings » 11/26/2024 5:00 pm

I've started the process of reworking this thread into a general Marvel RPG thread, as opposed to classic version. I haven't added any of the new game in yet, but I've added three Saga books: the Roster Book that came with the game, the X-Men Roster Book, and the Fantastic Four Roster Book. As with other long lists, profiles are now listed in a Google doc.
 

Raw Data on Official Marvel Works » OHOTMU Sightings Outside the Handbooks - Current Version » 11/26/2024 2:22 pm

zuckyd1 wrote:

ROM: THE ORIGINAL MARVEL YEARS OMNIBUS VOL. 2
Rom 1 R-O
Rom’s Armor 2/3 R-O
Rom’s Analyzer 1/3 R-O
Rom’s Neutralizer 2/3 R-O
Rom’s Translator 1/3 R-O
Dire Wraiths 1/4 R-O
and at least one profile of a deceased character (probably Torpedo)

I'll update the list later, but I now have this and can confirm that Torpedo is the deceased character profile in the volume.
 

Anything Else Pop Culture Related » Pop Culture Obituaries » 11/26/2024 1:52 pm

RIP writer/director Jim Abrahams (Kentucky Fried Movie, Airplane!, Police Squad/Naked Gun series, Hot Shots movies)
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/jim-abrahams-dead-airplane-naked-gun-hot-shots-1236071689/

YouTube's official channel offers The Kentucky Fried Movie for free:


 

Anything Else Pop Culture Related » Pop Culture Obituaries » 11/26/2024 6:21 am

RIP Michael Villella:, Russ Thorn aka the Driller Killer in Slumber Party Massacre
https://www.avclub.com/michael-villella-slumber-party-massacre-obituary

Anything Else Pop Culture Related » Pop Culture Obituaries » 11/24/2024 5:47 am

RIP game show host Chuck Woolery (original Wheel of Fortune, Scrabble, Love Connection). Played Superman in a segment previewing ABC's 1973 Saturday morning lineup.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/chuck-woolery-dead-wheel-fortune-love-connection-1236070165/

Raw Data on Official Marvel Works » The OHOTMU Master List (also Files, Guidebooks, and Related Works) » 11/23/2024 4:52 pm

I'll eventually be adding the Appendix from the back of the History of the Marvel Universe trade. Was it from any of the individual issues or unique to the trade? I'm guessing either the latter or #6.

Raw Data on Official Marvel Works » Sagas » 11/16/2024 4:03 pm

The trade for History of the Marvel Universe (2019 series) has annotations at the back for all six issues. I don't know if they were in the originals or just the trade. It's a judgement call as to whether they count as Sagas or if they're near misses. The notes are similar to annotations for Marvels and Hobgoblin Lives; unlike those, however, they are accompanied with panels and covers; the panels often include the original dialogue.

Raw Data on Official Marvel Works » Sagas » 11/10/2024 1:33 pm

Black Widow: The Name of the Rose hc has a Black Widow Saga at the end of the book, I'm guessing it's the same as #1 of the 2010 series.

Raw Data on Official Marvel Works » OHOTMU Sightings Outside the Handbooks - Current Version » 11/10/2024 1:18 pm

Adding for my own reference:

American Dream: Beyond Courage tpb: Avengers (MC2) (I believe this is R from hc #1; they both came out the same year though).

Black Widow: Deadly Origin: already on list as tpb, but there's also a hc with the same profile.
 

Not Marvel nor DC Mulitiverse - AI Written Profiles » Gloria Dinallo » 11/08/2024 9:50 pm

Real Name: Gloria Dinallo
Aliases: None
Identity: Public
Occupation: Former High School Student, Superhero
Citizenship: United States
Place of Birth: United States
Known Relatives: Unnamed mother (institutionalized), father (unknown, speculated to be an alien)
Group Affiliation: Misfits of Science
Education: High school education (incomplete)
First Appearance: Misfits of Science TV series, Episode 1, "Deep Freeze" (1985)
 History: Gloria Dinallo is a troubled teenager with telekinetic powers who became a member of the Misfits of Science, a group of unconventional individuals with superhuman abilities. Raised by her mother, who suffers from mental health issues, Gloria never knew her father and speculates that he may have been an alien due to her unusual abilities. Her powers first manifested during her early teens, leading to her struggling with social integration and self-control, as she could inadvertently cause objects to move, shatter, or even levitate around her.
 Her telekinesis often put her at odds with authority, causing her to develop a rebellious streak and to frequently clash with others. Due to her powers, she found herself in trouble with the law on multiple occasions, ultimately landing her in juvenile detention. It was here that she crossed paths with Dr. Billy Hayes, the leader of the Misfits of Science, a quirky team composed of individuals with extraordinary powers who aim to do good despite their unorthodox methods. Billy, seeing Gloria’s potential, invited her to join the Misfits, giving her a sense of belonging and purpose she’d never experienced before.

 As part of the team, Gloria’s telekinesis was a valuable asset. Her experiences with the Misfits helped her develop greater control over her powers and become more confident in her identity. Though initially reluctant to trust others, Gloria gradually opened up and found a surrogate family in her team

Marvel Mulitiverse - AI Written Profiles » Hyperion (Earth-S) » 11/05/2024 8:04 pm

Real Name: Mark Milton
Aliases: Hyperion, The High Prince of Power, Zhib-Ran (in some iterations)
Identity: Public
Occupation: Superhero, Adventurer
Citizenship: Utopian (extraterrestrial species)
Place of Birth: Unknown planet (destroyed in infancy)
Known Relatives: None known (raised by human adoptive parents)
Group Affiliation: Squadron Supreme
Education: Educated to a superhuman degree by Utopian memory banks and adoptive Earth family
First Appearance: Avengers #85 (1971)
History: Hyperion is one of the most powerful heroes on Earth-S, a parallel Earth where he serves as a founding member of the Squadron Supreme, a team dedicated to justice and peace. Born on a distant alien world, Mark Milton was the last survivor of his planet, similar to Superman’s origin. His alien race, the Eternals or Utopians, sent him to Earth after his homeworld's destruction. Raised by human parents, he developed a strong moral code, guided by an unwavering belief in protecting humanity and upholding justice.As Hyperion grew, he discovered his incredible superhuman powers, which he used to become Earth-S’s protector. While he initially worked solo, he joined with other heroes to form the Squadron Supreme, inspired by Earth’s heroes and the classic concept of justice. His idealistic vision for peace led him to support a program where the Squadron imposed order and reform on a global scale, an initiative that created divisions within the team and tested his principles. Hyperion eventually faced significant ethical challenges, including clashes with his team and other universes’ Avengers, about whether imposing peace infringes on personal freedoms.

Throughout his history, Hyperion’s journey explores the question of power and responsibility, showing a hero striving to reconcile his nearly limitless strength with his commitment to justice and morality. His leadership, however, is often marked by a

Marvel Mulitiverse - AI Written Profiles » American Dream (MC2) » 11/05/2024 7:57 pm

Real Name: Shannon Carter
Aliases: American Dream
Identity: Public
Occupation: Superhero, S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent, Former Avengers Team Leader
Citizenship: United States of America
Place of Birth: U.S.A.
Known Relatives: Sharon Carter (aunt)
Group Affiliation: A-Next, Avengers, S.H.I.E.L.D.
Education: Trained extensively in combat and strategy by S.H.I.E.L.D. and the Avengers
First Appearance: A-Next #4 (1999)
History: Shannon Carter, known as American Dream, grew up idolizing Captain America and the legacy he left behind. Inspired by his values of courage, justice, and resilience, Shannon dedicated herself to training and preparing for a life of heroism, hoping to someday follow in his footsteps. Her determination paid off when she joined the Avengers as part of the next-generation superhero team, A-Next, a group formed in Marvel’s MC2 alternate universe that showcases the next line of heroes taking up the mantle from their predecessors.

Initially, Shannon worked with S.H.I.E.L.D., gaining advanced training in combat, tactics, and espionage. Her skills and unwavering belief in Captain America’s ideals made her an obvious choice for a superhero identity, and she adopted the name “American Dream,” crafting her costume and shield in homage to her hero. Shannon quickly rose through the ranks in A-Next due to her courage, tactical mind, and innate leadership qualities, becoming one of the most respected members of the team. She often served as a unifying figure within the group, encouraging others to stay true to the principles set forth by the original Avengers.

As American Dream, Shannon has confronted numerous adversaries, including classic Avengers villains and new threats emerging in the MC2 universe. Her dedication to her role is uncompromising, and she has repeatedly put herself at risk to protect the innocent and uphold the ideals of her predecessor. Over time, her bravery,

Not Marvel nor DC Mulitiverse - AI Written Profiles » Lode Runner » 11/03/2024 10:41 am

Real Name: Unrevealed
Aliases: The Runner, Treasure Hunter, Gold Seeker
Identity: Secret
Occupation: Treasure Hunter, Adventurer
Citizenship: Presumably American
Place of Birth: Unknown
Known Relatives: None known
Group Affiliation: None
Education: Likely trained in stealth, agility, and maze navigation
First Appearance: Lode Runner (1983)

History:The character known as the Lode Runner is a cunning treasure hunter and expert in evasion who operates in a maze-like, underground labyrinth where he collects gold bars while evading relentless enemies known as the "Bungeling Empire." In his debut game, Lode Runner, his goal is simple yet perilous: navigate through increasingly complex levels filled with obstacles, pits, and hostile guards, all while retrieving valuable treasures to complete his mission. Though his true origins are unclear, Lode Runner’s motives appear to center on either recovering stolen gold or amassing treasure for an unknown client or organization.

 The Runner’s escapades take him into labyrinthine structures, often filled with deadly traps and cunning enemies. Each level is an intricate maze designed to trap and thwart him, making his missions a test of both agility and intellect. Lode Runner has been known to employ advanced strategies for evasion, including creating holes in the ground to trap enemies temporarily. The success of his exploits depends heavily on his ability to outthink and outmaneuver his foes, exploiting the terrain and setting traps while avoiding being captured.

 His most notable trait is his resourcefulness. Over the years, the Runner has taken on various missions, challenging increasingly complex environments that have required him to adapt his skills and approach. Despite the risks, he remains steadfast, a relentless treasure seeker who persists against seemingly insurmountable odds. Although he works alone, Lode Runner's reputat

Not Marvel nor DC Mulitiverse - AI Written Profiles » Pac-Man » 11/03/2024 9:51 am

Real Name: Pac-Man
Aliases: Pac, Yellow Guy, Pacster
Identity: Public
Occupation: Protector of Pac-World, Arcade Icon, Ghost Hunter
Citizenship: Pac-World
Place of Birth: Pac-Village
Known Relatives: Ms. Pac-Man (wife), Baby Pac-Man (child), Pac-Man Jr. (son)
Group Affiliation: Pac-Family, Friends of Pac-Land
Education: Informal training in maze navigation and ghost evasion
First Appearance: Pac-Man arcade game (1980)
History: Pac-Man, a cheerful and iconic yellow character, is best known for his ability to navigate mazes, collect pellets, and evade or confront ghosts. Originally introduced in the arcade game Pac-Man (1980), Pac-Man quickly rose to fame as one of the most popular video game characters in history, becoming a global pop culture phenomenon. Created by the residents of Pac-World as their local protector, Pac-Man’s purpose was initially simple: to travel through mazes, gobbling up dots and bonus items while evading hostile ghosts. Over time, his adventures and responsibilities expanded as he took on more significant threats to Pac-World.Pac-Man’s chief adversaries are the four iconic ghosts: Blinky, Pinky, Inky, and Clyde, who were cursed to endlessly chase him in a constant loop of pursuit. Pac-Man’s ability to eat Power Pellets, which temporarily grant him the power to turn the tables on his ghostly foes and devour them, has been crucial to his survival. While he can be momentarily overpowered, he always returns, a resilient figure known for his perseverance and upbeat attitude.

 Throughout his adventures, Pac-Man’s world has expanded to include numerous allies and family members, such as Ms. Pac-Man, Pac-Man Jr., and Baby Pac-Man. Together, they protect Pac-World from various enemies and threats, including ghostly overlords, monstrous entities, and environmental hazards that threaten to disrupt the peace. Pac-Man is dedicated to keeping his family and

Not Marvel nor DC Mulitiverse - AI Written Profiles » Donkey Kong » 11/03/2024 9:36 am

Real Name: Donkey Kong (often referred to as DK)
Aliases: The Great Ape, King of Kongo Jungle, Banana Slamma
Identity: Public
Occupation: Guardian of Donkey Kong Island, Banana Hoarder, Occasional Hero
Citizenship: Kongo Jungle (an island nation within the Mario universe)
Place of Birth: Kongo Jungle
Known Relatives: Cranky Kong (grandfather), Diddy Kong (nephew/sidekick), Funky Kong (relative), Dixie Kong (friend/ally), Kiddy Kong (relative)
Group Affiliation: Kong Family, allied with Mario Bros.
Education: Informal training in jungle survival and combat
First Appearance: Donkey Kong arcade game (1981)
History: Donkey Kong hails from the lush Kongo Jungle, a tropical paradise where he serves as the powerful protector of his home and the vast banana hoard within. Donkey Kong first appeared to the world in an iconic showdown with Mario, then a carpenter, as DK attempted to keep Mario from reclaiming his captured girlfriend, Pauline. This confrontation marked the beginning of an extensive rivalry and a journey that would see DK evolve from misunderstood antihero to noble protector of the jungle.Though originally a rogue figure, Donkey Kong soon embraced a more heroic role within his family and the broader world of the Mario universe. His adventures alongside his nephew Diddy Kong, and other members of the Kong family, have spanned multiple escapades. From thwarting Kremling invasions led by King K. Rool to defending his beloved bananas from pirates, reptilian overlords, and other threats, DK has grown into a courageous, if somewhat laid-back, hero. Often underestimated for his simple demeanor and love of food, particularly bananas, Donkey Kong has proven himself to be resourceful, strong-willed, and unwavering in his duty to protect his home and family.

Though he’s had a long-standing rivalry with Mario, over time, the two have developed a friendly camaraderie and mutual respect, of

Not Marvel nor DC Mulitiverse - AI Written Profiles » Number 2 (Chimes of Big Ben) » 11/03/2024 9:29 am

True as far as it goes from what I can see, but there should have been reference to the final two episodes. His rematch with Number 6 was far more intense than their original clash.

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