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7/19/2021 4:04 am  #1


Man-Things People Keep Getting Not Right - Non-Marville

This is intended to be the version of the Things People Keep Getting Wrong thread, only for material outside the Marvel Megaverse. This fist post might eventually contain a Google Doc compilation list if this takes off. Some non-Marvel material was starting to slip into the main post, but since that post is predominately Marvel, I thought it would be better to place the non-Marvel material in its own thread.

Original thread name: Wrong People Keep Getting Things - Nun Marvel
 

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7/19/2021 4:18 am  #2


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The first two are related to this thread:

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Incorrect: The main movie James Bond is multiple individuals using the same identity.
Truth: Dr. No through Die Another Day are all one continuity with the same Bond (see evidence in the above link), with a separate Bond in a separate continuity from Casino Royale (2008 version) to the upcoming No Time to Die and possibly beyond. In particular, a key event in On Her Majesty's Secret Service is often alluded to in subsequent movies.

Related to the above
Incorrect: James Bond is a code name for said multiple individuals.
Truth: It's probably not the best strategy but Bond uses his actual name in adventures a lot and its the same person. And even using the same code name over and over would not be much better strategy. There is no evidence in the movies that Bond is an alias, and in Skyfall someone from Bond's past recognizes him as Bond. Which is not to say that Bond has no code name. He absolutely does: It's 007.

Incorrect: The post-Crisis DC Universe was created by the merging of Earths 1, 2, 4, S, and X.
Truth: Ignoring Hypertime, which complicates the situation, in Crisis on Infinite Earths #10, the heroes went back to the beginning of time and prevented the splitting off of Earths. The new reality thus contains elements even of Earths that were previously destroyed, because in the new reality they were never split off into a multiverse in the first place. In at least one case a pre-Crisis Earth became a separate planet that was still destroyed (the former Earth-6).
 


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7/19/2021 5:10 am  #3


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A few that I already posted in the other thread:
Incorrect: The Scarlet Pimpernel was the first masked vigilante character in fiction.
Truth: The Pimpernel may well be the one that caught the public imagination and popularised the concept, but he wasn't the first.

This came to my attention through a meme listing female contributions to SF fandom, which claims Baroness Orczy "created" the masked vigilante genre. As such, I want to make it clear that I'm not trying to denigrate Orczy's achievements or contributions to the field - the Pimpernel is a great creation and was hugely influential. But I can't agree with saying she created the genre when the Pimpernel wasn't the first such character. And the Pimpernel debuted in 1903, which places him after the Human Bat, who debuted in the story paper The Funny Wonder in 1899. It's possible others predated him - for example, I've seen it claimed that a Penny Dreadful portrayed the urban legend Spring-Heeled Jack as being a costumed vigilante even earlier than this, but that's not something I've been able to confirm - but regardless of whether the Human Bat turns out to be the first or not, he still predates the Scarlet Pimpernel. 

Incorrect: The Yellow Kid was the first merchandized comic strip character.
Truth: He was beaten on the merchandise front by Britain's Alley Sloper at the very least.

For a long time many early internet sites claimed Yellow Kid was the first ever comic strip character, but that myth gradually got beaten down by people pointing out the Kid's predecessors. However, it seems that the myth that he's the first one to get his own merchandise persists. Since the Yellow Kid debuted in 1895, and Ally Sloper had merchandise that predates this by at least a decade, the claim that the Kid was the first to have his own merchandise also falls down.

Incorrect: Sean Connery was the first/original James Bond.

Truth: Connery was the first movie Bond. However, Barry Nelson was the first actor to play the role, which he did in a TV show.

And while we're on this, in general terms it is very risky to claim someone or something is "the first" whatever. In so many cases, you can swiftly find examples that pre-date it, so be sure of yourself before you do so. The handbooks avoid that phrasing for this very reason.

One new one, tied to the last one above:
Incorrect: David Niven played Bond in Casino Royale BEFORE Sean Connery played Bond. 
Truth: Niven's Casino Royale came out in 1967; Connery's first outing as Bond was released in 1962.
Not sure why this one is even up for debate, as it's easy to confirm the dates the movies were released, but despite this I do see it pop up from time to time. I can only assume the people who say it just haven't bothered to do any basic checking (I wouldn't even deign to call it research, it requires so little effort).

 

7/19/2021 5:24 am  #4


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Incorrect: The Misfits of Science was cancelled because lead actor Dean Paul Martin (Dr. Billy Hayes) was killed in a plane crash.
Truth: The plane crash is unfortunately real but the timing, while close, doesn't add up: Misfits of Science ran from 1985 to 1986. Dean Paul Martin died in March 21, 1987, thus late in the 1986-1987 season. The timing is so close that it raises the question of whether he would have been available to go on the flight had the show been renewed (though even there it's likely filming would have been completed on the remaining episodes). Regardless, ratings are the most likely culprit in the show ending.
 


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7/19/2021 7:03 am  #5


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Incorrect: "Nun" is a valid alternate spelling for "Non"
Truth: It is not.
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7/19/2021 7:06 am  #6


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Incorrect: "Nun" is a valid alternate spelling for "Non"
Truth: It is not.
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In much the same way that "Wrong People Keep Getting Things" is a valid rephrasing of "Things People Keep Getting Wrong"

Basically I was trying to deliberately put in an error, but if I "accidentally" called this the Marvel thread it would have caused confusion.


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7/20/2021 7:10 am  #7


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Here's one that at least used to be the case, though I don't know if this is still a common misconception
Incorrect: Carole Bouquet, lead actress in For Your Eyes Only was born a man.
Truth: Carole Bouquet was a woman from birth. There was a transgender actress, but she was a bit player, Tula/Caroline Cossey. The misconception arose because tabloids learned of her and "James Bond Star" makes better headlines than "James Bond Bit Actress with No Speaking Lines in the Movie".


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7/20/2021 6:35 pm  #8


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A couple more. Every so often I'll change the subject line. People with Moderator privileges are also welcome to do the same; just make sure you put at least one "error" in the subject somewhere.

Incorrect: Frankenstein's Monster was a well meaning, misunderstood monster even in Mary Shelley's original novel.
Truth: The monster definitely had legitimate reasons to hate Dr. Frankenstein, but he killed quite a few innocent people just because Dr. Frankenstein knew them (and often was related to them). The Boris Karloff movie was when he was first depicted in a sympathetic light.

Incorrect: Bram Stoker, in his novel Dracula, intended pre-vampire Dracula to be the real life Vlad the Impaler.
Truth: That also came later. We only learn a little about pre-vampire Dracula from the novel, but from what we do know, he seems to have been a nicer person than Vlad was. There is nothing in the novel linking Dracula and Vlad.


 


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7/21/2021 9:04 am  #9


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Andy E. Nystrom wrote:

A couple more. Every so often I'll change the subject line. People with Moderator privileges are also welcome to do the same; just make sure you put at least one "error" in the subject somewhere.
 

Not sure how to do this. I was going to change "Wrong" to "Not Right"

 

7/21/2021 9:07 am  #10


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Moderators can change the subject line by clicking Edit on the first post only.


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9/25/2021 3:56 am  #11


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Incorrect: In the movie Moonraker, Jaws smiles at Dolly, showing his metal teeth. Dolly smiles back, showing her braces, causing them to fall in love immediately over their shared teeth issue; this causes Jaws to switch sides.
Truth: They do fall in love immediately after smiling at each other and Jaws does switch sides, but Dolly never wore braces.

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