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7/19/2021 4:04 am  #1


Things People Don't Keep Getting Wrong - Non-Marvel

This is intended to be the version of the Things People Keep Getting Wrong thread, only for material outside the Marvel Megaverse. This fist post might eventually contain a Google Doc compilation list if this takes off. Some non-Marvel material was starting to slip into the main post, but since that post is predominately Marvel, I thought it would be better to place the non-Marvel material in its own thread.

Original thread name: Wrong People Keep Getting Things - Nun Marvel
 

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7/19/2021 4:18 am  #2


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The first two are related to this thread:

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Incorrect: The main movie James Bond is multiple individuals using the same identity.
Truth: Dr. No through Die Another Day are all one continuity with the same Bond (see evidence in the above link), with a separate Bond in a separate continuity from Casino Royale (2008 version) to the upcoming No Time to Die and possibly beyond. In particular, a key event in On Her Majesty's Secret Service is often alluded to in subsequent movies.

Related to the above
Incorrect: James Bond is a code name for said multiple individuals.
Truth: It's probably not the best strategy but Bond uses his actual name in adventures a lot and its the same person. And even using the same code name over and over would not be much better strategy. There is no evidence in the movies that Bond is an alias, and in Skyfall someone from Bond's past recognizes him as Bond. Which is not to say that Bond has no code name. He absolutely does: It's 007.

Incorrect: The post-Crisis DC Universe was created by the merging of Earths 1, 2, 4, S, and X.
Truth: Ignoring Hypertime, which complicates the situation, in Crisis on Infinite Earths #10, the heroes went back to the beginning of time and prevented the splitting off of Earths. The new reality thus contains elements even of Earths that were previously destroyed, because in the new reality they were never split off into a multiverse in the first place. In at least one case a pre-Crisis Earth became a separate planet that was still destroyed (the former Earth-6).
 


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7/19/2021 5:10 am  #3


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A few that I already posted in the other thread:
Incorrect: The Scarlet Pimpernel was the first masked vigilante character in fiction.
Truth: The Pimpernel may well be the one that caught the public imagination and popularised the concept, but he wasn't the first.

This came to my attention through a meme listing female contributions to SF fandom, which claims Baroness Orczy "created" the masked vigilante genre. As such, I want to make it clear that I'm not trying to denigrate Orczy's achievements or contributions to the field - the Pimpernel is a great creation and was hugely influential. But I can't agree with saying she created the genre when the Pimpernel wasn't the first such character. And the Pimpernel debuted in 1903, which places him after the Human Bat, who debuted in the story paper The Funny Wonder in 1899. It's possible others predated him - for example, I've seen it claimed that a Penny Dreadful portrayed the urban legend Spring-Heeled Jack as being a costumed vigilante even earlier than this, but that's not something I've been able to confirm - but regardless of whether the Human Bat turns out to be the first or not, he still predates the Scarlet Pimpernel. 

Incorrect: The Yellow Kid was the first merchandized comic strip character.
Truth: He was beaten on the merchandise front by Britain's Alley Sloper at the very least.

For a long time many early internet sites claimed Yellow Kid was the first ever comic strip character, but that myth gradually got beaten down by people pointing out the Kid's predecessors. However, it seems that the myth that he's the first one to get his own merchandise persists. Since the Yellow Kid debuted in 1895, and Ally Sloper had merchandise that predates this by at least a decade, the claim that the Kid was the first to have his own merchandise also falls down.

Incorrect: Sean Connery was the first/original James Bond.

Truth: Connery was the first movie Bond. However, Barry Nelson was the first actor to play the role, which he did in a TV show.

And while we're on this, in general terms it is very risky to claim someone or something is "the first" whatever. In so many cases, you can swiftly find examples that pre-date it, so be sure of yourself before you do so. The handbooks avoid that phrasing for this very reason.

One new one, tied to the last one above:
Incorrect: David Niven played Bond in Casino Royale BEFORE Sean Connery played Bond. 
Truth: Niven's Casino Royale came out in 1967; Connery's first outing as Bond was released in 1962.
Not sure why this one is even up for debate, as it's easy to confirm the dates the movies were released, but despite this I do see it pop up from time to time. I can only assume the people who say it just haven't bothered to do any basic checking (I wouldn't even deign to call it research, it requires so little effort).

 

7/19/2021 5:24 am  #4


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Incorrect: The Misfits of Science was cancelled because lead actor Dean Paul Martin (Dr. Billy Hayes) was killed in a plane crash.
Truth: The plane crash is unfortunately real but the timing, while close, doesn't add up: Misfits of Science ran from 1985 to 1986. Dean Paul Martin died in March 21, 1987, thus late in the 1986-1987 season. The timing is so close that it raises the question of whether he would have been available to go on the flight had the show been renewed (though even there it's likely filming would have been completed on the remaining episodes). Regardless, ratings are the most likely culprit in the show ending.
 


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7/19/2021 7:03 am  #5


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Incorrect: "Nun" is a valid alternate spelling for "Non"
Truth: It is not.
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7/19/2021 7:06 am  #6


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Incorrect: "Nun" is a valid alternate spelling for "Non"
Truth: It is not.
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In much the same way that "Wrong People Keep Getting Things" is a valid rephrasing of "Things People Keep Getting Wrong"

Basically I was trying to deliberately put in an error, but if I "accidentally" called this the Marvel thread it would have caused confusion.


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7/20/2021 7:10 am  #7


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Here's one that at least used to be the case, though I don't know if this is still a common misconception
Incorrect: Carole Bouquet, lead actress in For Your Eyes Only was born a man.
Truth: Carole Bouquet was a woman from birth. There was a transgender actress, but she was a bit player, Tula/Caroline Cossey. The misconception arose because tabloids learned of her and "James Bond Star" makes better headlines than "James Bond Bit Actress with No Speaking Lines in the Movie".


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7/20/2021 6:35 pm  #8


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A couple more. Every so often I'll change the subject line. People with Moderator privileges are also welcome to do the same; just make sure you put at least one "error" in the subject somewhere.

Incorrect: Frankenstein's Monster was a well meaning, misunderstood monster even in Mary Shelley's original novel.
Truth: The monster definitely had legitimate reasons to hate Dr. Frankenstein, but he killed quite a few innocent people just because Dr. Frankenstein knew them (and often was related to them). The Boris Karloff movie was when he was first depicted in a sympathetic light.

Incorrect: Bram Stoker, in his novel Dracula, intended pre-vampire Dracula to be the real life Vlad the Impaler.
Truth: That also came later. We only learn a little about pre-vampire Dracula from the novel, but from what we do know, he seems to have been a nicer person than Vlad was. There is nothing in the novel linking Dracula and Vlad.


 


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7/21/2021 9:04 am  #9


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Andy E. Nystrom wrote:

A couple more. Every so often I'll change the subject line. People with Moderator privileges are also welcome to do the same; just make sure you put at least one "error" in the subject somewhere.
 

Not sure how to do this. I was going to change "Wrong" to "Not Right"

 

7/21/2021 9:07 am  #10


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Moderators can change the subject line by clicking Edit on the first post only.


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9/25/2021 3:56 am  #11


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Incorrect: In the movie Moonraker, Jaws smiles at Dolly, showing his metal teeth. Dolly smiles back, showing her braces, causing them to fall in love immediately over their shared teeth issue; this causes Jaws to switch sides.
Truth: They do fall in love immediately after smiling at each other and Jaws does switch sides, but Dolly never wore braces.

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1/17/2022 6:19 pm  #12


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Incorrect: DC's first crack at licensing the Archie superheroes was called the Impact! line.
Truth: DC's first crack at licensing the Archie superheroes was called the !mpact line.

Incorrect: Rick's classic line in Casablanca was "Play it again, Sam!"
Truth: The line was actually, "You played it for her, you can play it for me. Play it, Sam."

Incorrect: A catch-phrase in Star Trek (original series) said by Kirk was "Beam me up, Scotty!"
Truth: Kirk never said that except in non-canon material, He has come close at times though: "Scotty, beam us up!" and even "Scotty, beam me up!" Often though he would tell Scott instead to "Energize".

Incorrect: On the A-Team, BA liked to say, "I pity the fool!"
Truth: While BA's actor Mister T had that as his catch-phrase, BA never said that.
 


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1/25/2022 12:10 pm  #13


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Incorrect: New Fun Comics#1 (1935) was the first comic to feature new material not reprinted from a newspaper strip (also sometimes stated as the first comic to feature all new material).
Truth: It's the first comic from what became DC. It may well be the first AMERICAN comic to feature non-reprint material. But there are British comics from at least as early as 1914 which featured new comic strips. I can't say for sure if these are the earliest - other British comics or ones from other countries might even be earlier - but regardless of these unknowns, what is certain is that New Fun Comics missed being first by at least a couple of decades.

 

1/27/2022 7:51 am  #14


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Incorrect: All revivals of old shows are reboots.
Truth: It's only a reboot if it's a brand new continuity. Otherwise it's a continuation.


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4/27/2022 5:23 pm  #15


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Incorrect: At least for a time, the Arrowverse multiverse was eliminated after Crisis (this has been used by some to claim that Superman and Lois, which uses the multiverse isn't canon).
Truth: This is a case of unreliable narrators. Many characters with some recollection of the Crisis (Barry, Cisco, etc.) certainly believe the multiverse was eliminated due to the Crisis, and we know that Earths 1, 3, and 38 at least have been merged as Earth-Prime. However, the ending of the Crisis crossover clearly showed other Earths being still around (they couldn't very well eliminate Earths in use by other shows and movies after all). And there was a line in Superman and Lois season one that hinted that Superman was surprised to learn of the multiverse's continued existence. So S&L is canon (just with a different style than the other shows). So it's simply the case that certain characters have arrived at reasonable but incorrect conclusions.
 


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6/08/2022 6:47 am  #16


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Incorrect: A popular children's book series is The Berenstein Bears
Truth: This is another example of the Mandela Effect. It's actually The Berenstain Bears.

Incorrect: Winnie-the-Pooh as he's largely depicted and all elements thereof entered the public domain.
Truth: The version with the red shirt is owned by Disney has not entered the public domain, though the unclothed version from the first book has. In addition, Tigger was introduced in the second book, The House at Pooh Corner (1928; the first book was from 1926) and is thus not yet in the public domain.

Incorrect: Superman was the first superhero
Truth: Mandrake (from comic strips) debuted in 1934, Green Hornet (on radio) debuted in 1934, Zorro (from pulp magazines) debuted in 1919. And of course some mythological figures such as Hercules are arguably superheroes. But even if you limit your scope to characters created for modern era American comic books, Doctor Occult (1935) still beats him, even wearing a costume before Superman's debut. This is not to diminish the character as Superman certainly set the template for superheroes and was the catalyst for the sub-genre.

Incorrect: The primary superhero who gets his powers from shouting "Shazam!" is and always was called Shazam.
Truth: This is true since 2011 but prior to that, the superhero was Captain Marvel and Shazam was the wizard who game him his powers. Probably most people on this forum know this but the misconception is more common in the general public.

Incorrect: Jor-El (or Jor-L) and Lara (or Lora) first appeared in Action Comics #1
Truth: Jor-El/Jor-L is mentioned there as an unnamed scientist but isn't actually depicted. Lara/Lora isn't even mentioned. Both first appeared in the Superman comic strip and Adventures of Superman novel before finally making a true comics appearance in More Fun Comics #101 1945. To be fair I haven't found any online references to te incorrect info but I suspect most people assume this to be the case.


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6/08/2022 8:33 am  #17


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Incorrect: Superman was the first superhero
Truth: Mandrake (from comic strips) debuted in 1934, Green Hornet (on radio) debuted in 1934, Zorro (from pulp magazines) debuted in 1919. And of course some mythological figures such as Hercules are arguably superheroes. But even if you limit your scope to characters created for modern era American comic books, Doctor Occult (1935) still beats him, even wearing a costume before Superman's debut. This is not to diminish the character as Superman certainly set the template for superheroes and was the catalyst for the sub-genre.

I've seen people insist that you need the "full combination" of costume, alias/secret identity, powers and fighting crime/injustice as a way to try and eliminate some of those predecessors. However, even if we allowed for that restriction (and overlooked that it would also take the likes of Batman off the list of superheroes), you've got the likes of Night Hawk (1930) who meets all of those requirements, as does 1913's Winged Man, and even 1899's Human Bat

Superman was (afaik) the first character to actually be called a superhero, and he's definitely the character that truly caught fire and spread the concept, but once his debut established the requirements that needed to come together for a character to be considered a superhero we can see with hindsight that there were a lot of prior individuals who fit the description, 

 

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